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Germany vs England

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robags wrote:
how did the lino not give that!!!!!?????


BTW - small piece of trivia

The 3 officials on the field today were the same 3 that had masterful control of the All Whites Bahrain game in Wellington.

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Well spotted!
 
I can't believe what a pathetic, sulky baby Rooney has been at this Cup. They needed him to step up and be a man, lead the way but, no, wee Wayne is too 'unhappy'.
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Scottishbhoy wrote:
BEST DAY EVER
 
 
Now , now. Let's not be like that! I was going to post something earlier on, but it's hard to see what you've typed when the tears of laughter are filling your eyes
 
 
 
 
Jag2010-06-28 09:28:44

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Rubbish from England. Disallowed goal would not have changed things too much, Germany if anything would have pushed even harder and scored one or two more such was the english defence........Happy enough about the result, just wanna see the germans destroy the argies and take that stupid grin off Maradona's face.

Botafogo - Rio de Janeiro and Wellington Phoenix, my two teams til death do us part.

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For the Jerry- Argies match I can say I am completely neutral!
 
I'd also go for the German Youth (ooh ohh!) .  I don't think England played completely rubbish, but Germany played a near perfect game.  Sublime passing.
 
Is it a coincidence that many of these players have dual citizenship (Polish, Turkish, Ghana, Spain, Brazil, Tunisia)? Shades of the 1998 France team?

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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Brilliant stuff from the Germans. Must say they've always had my support - and  they are playing brilliantly at the moment. Ozil is a megastar in the making.
 
England - well Terry and Upson were terrible, Gerrard was very average, and Barry is shown to be not good enough for the very top level. My beloved Wayne was dreadful as well, he really needs to rest up and get remotivated about things.
 
Lampard was good - Milner OK - Defoe absent. Then Capello bought Heskey on! LOL!
 
They need to overthrow what is an ageing and essentially rubbish squad. Bring in some young guys and try again. But the main thing is they've got to get the best out of Rooney - him at his United best is the only chance England have of making it anywhere at any tournament.
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Every time England have had a good run at the World Cup they have had Evertonians in the team. Solution is obvious really...  
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
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dairyflat wrote:
Every time England have had a good run at the World Cup they have had Evertonians in the team. Solution is obvious really...  


So twice then?

Three for me, and two for them.

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Any way the ball never crossed the line:

Salmon swim upstream

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dairyflat wrote:
Every time England have had a good run at the World Cup they have had an ex-Ipswich Town manager. Solution is obvious really...  


Fixed.

Roy Keane for 2014.  You can have him now.
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Hopefully this also puts to bed the debate about Rooney being on the same level as Messi or Ronaldo. He isn't fit to tie the laces of either.

Three for me, and two for them.

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Scottishbhoy wrote:
BEST DAY EVER
 Ditto... still laughing my ass off..bye bye pommie, thanks for comin...lol.
As for retribution for '66, it won't be till it's in a final....oopps, sorry, I forgot that'll never ever happen again for the pom's, they're never gonna be good enough.
Always overated, always going out early, always blaming keepers and officials, really it's always the highlight of any world cup for me... watching the poms go home...lmao.  
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Loved every minute of this match. Wouldve topped it off had manchild Rooney imploded and lost the plot.
What woeful tactics trying to attack the Germans at speed...when its obvious you simply get countered twice as fast.
Sadly Capello has learned that his players are simply not good enough and havent got it...tho Im sure he believed in them too.
1st goal comical...and Gareth Barry a complete joke...simply embarrassing.
 
I love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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England and Italy - too old.
I like tautologies because I like them.
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absolutely fantastic, loved that match

Not many expected much from this German team with the players that were lost in the run up in Enke and Adler plus with Westermann and Ballack out. But these young players are stepping up more than adequately!
francsernal2010-06-28 16:01:40
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Least the England cricketers are doing ok at the moment. That will give them something to smile about
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Oceanic6 wrote:
Least the England cricketers are doing ok at the moment. That will give them something to smile about


Watched that after, can't believe how close they came to f**king that up!

Germany at $2.70... easiest money i've ever made. Terry got made to look like a League 2 defender. Englands only decent performace came from Frankie. Rooney was a bloody spectator the entire tournament. Same old story though, overrated and underperforming. Love watching them lose.

The other thing I like is how everyone from that Nike ad isn't at the tournament anymore: Ribery, Rooney, Cannavaro, Ronaldinho
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Black Plague wrote:
Rubbish from England. Disallowed goal would not have changed things too much, Germany if anything would have pushed even harder and scored one or two more such was the english defence........Happy enough about the result, just wanna see the germans destroy the argies and take that stupid grin off Maradona's face.
 
thats a very big call, could have drastically changed the momentum of the match for england.
 
who knows how germany would have responded to letting a 2 goal lead slip
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Downey26 wrote:
Black Plague wrote:
Rubbish from England. Disallowed goal would not have changed things too much, Germany if anything would have pushed even harder and scored one or two more such was the english defence........Happy enough about the result, just wanna see the germans destroy the argies and take that stupid grin off Maradona's face.

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thats a very big call, could have drastically changed the momentum of the match for england.

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who knows how germany would have responded to letting a 2 goal lead slip
score more goals i'd imagine. they scored four relatively easily and looked far more likely to win from start to finish. I don't think that goal would have changed the outcome of the result, Germany were far better.
Fruglo on 15.01.2013 wrote:

Fuck this stupid game

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TopLeft07 wrote:
Downey26 wrote:
Black Plague wrote:
Rubbish from England. Disallowed goal would not have changed things too much, Germany if anything would have pushed even harder and scored one or two more such was the english defence........Happy enough about the result, just wanna see the germans destroy the argies and take that stupid grin off Maradona's face.

 
thats a very big call, could have drastically changed the momentum of the match for england.

 

who knows how germany would have responded to letting a 2 goal lead slip
score more goals i'd imagine. they scored four relatively easily and looked far more likely to win from start to finish. I don't think that goal would have changed the outcome of the result, Germany were far better.
 
yea im not saying germany didnt deserve to win, they were brilliant and fully deserved to win
 
though, they got a massive slice of luck that spurred them on and deflated england. things could have been different had the goal gone in, england may have continued the form they were showing at the end of the first half
 
 
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Buffon II wrote:
Hopefully this also puts to bed the debate about Rooney being on the same level as Messi or Ronaldo. He isn't fit to tie the laces of either.


Oh for sure. I loved Milito's comments yesterday laughing at people comparing Rooney to Messi. Much like the Nike commercials I think Wayne Rooney will now become a trailer park boy!
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Just watched my recorded copy of this game again.  England weren't quite as bad as I remember from last night and in fact created some nice situations at times, but generally speaking Germany just had such good supporting movement off the ball and far more incisive forward passing. 

But what i most liked was how much to a plan Germany were playing at times.  In the first fifteen minutes, Neuer tried twice to hoof it long up the central channel to Klose, and both times it was only cut out after minor chaos in the England defence.  For the goal kick that lead to the goal he was clearly trying to get it down there for Klose - took a very long run up.  Klose acknowledged him once all the celebrations died a bit.  It may have been route one, but it was perfectly planned and executed. 
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"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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robags wrote:
how did the lino not give that!!!!!?????


Because he was starting his run from 17 yds upfield, from his correct position in line with the 2nd last German defender - so really wasn't in a great position to call whether or not the ball had crossed the line

When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!

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Without apologising for England, who I did enjoy watching lose (despite them being my pick and me being half English), I do think the disallowed goal made a difference. England were upping their performance and getting back in the game, and the disallowed goal knocked them back a bit.

In the second half they had to chase the game and push further forward. Both Germany's second half goals were on the break afterall.

Germany were the better team and certainly deserve to go through at England's expense, it's just a shame another refereeing blunder has tainted another game.
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ginger_eejit wrote:
robags wrote:
how did the lino not give that!!!!!?????


Because he was starting his run from 17 yds upfield, from his correct position in line with the 2nd last German defender - so really wasn't in a great position to call whether or not the ball had crossed the line
 
 
This!

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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C-Diddy wrote:
ginger_eejit wrote:
robags wrote:
how did the lino not give that!!!!!?????


Because he was starting his run from 17 yds upfield, from his correct position in line with the 2nd last German defender - so really wasn't in a great position to call whether or not the ball had crossed the line
 
 
This!
 
The fact that both the linesman and the referee could not see that the ball had croosed the line by the best part of a metre spells the end of international duty for them both, and their positions on the field don't count for sh*t. Concentration-wise these guys are not up to standard and Fifa needs to look at its selection policies. We wouldn't accept this level of ineptitude in the A-league let alone the biggest stage in football.
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AllWhitebelievr wrote:


I question the first Germany goal because it seemed offside even through Upton was too far up from the defensive line and Terry was not on the inside of Klose (and hence the large gap in the center defense), as the goalkeeper kicked the goal kick, Klose looked offside but only once did the cameras alert to this fact and typical commentators brush it off without a hint.




You can't be offside from a goal-kick.el grapadura2010-06-28 22:01:48
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Buffon II wrote:
Hopefully this also puts to bed the debate about Rooney being on the same level as Messi or Ronaldo. He isn't fit to tie the laces of either.


Who said he was?

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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Owned.


To AWB.chocnut2010-06-28 21:23:51
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BlattersBalls wrote:
C-Diddy wrote:
ginger_eejit wrote:
robags wrote:
how did the lino not give that!!!!!?????


Because he was starting his run from 17 yds upfield, from his correct position in line with the 2nd last German defender - so really wasn't in a great position to call whether or not the ball had crossed the line
 
 
This!
 
The fact that both the linesman and the referee could not see that the ball had croosed the line by the best part of a metre spells the end of international duty for them both, and their positions on the field don't count for sh*t. Concentration-wise these guys are not up to standard and Fifa needs to look at its selection policies. We wouldn't accept this level of ineptitude in the A-league let alone the biggest stage in football.


Bollox

Referee was about 28 yds out from the middle of the goal
A/R was about 30 yds out from the middle of the goal (assuming 25 yds from middle of goal to sideline and he was 17 yds up the sideline).

Assuming the ref or A/R is 2m tall, and he is 30m away - his angle of elevated view of where the ball hits the ground is 4 deg.

Trying to make a microsecond judgement of a lateral distance difference of12-15inches from 30 yds away with a 4deg angle of view is a huge optical challenge.

I think this was the major difficulty faced by the officals, not any lack of concentration

None of the cameras that showed the ball clearly crossed the line were from the same position and view that either the ref or the A/R had.

As I said in another thread - it's a well known difficulty in current officiating methodology on dealing with goal line calls from shots from far out when the defence is high up the field and the A/R is suppsoed to maintain position with the 2nd last defender - then follow the shot through.

Perhaps one of the reasons they were trialling Goal Area A/Rs in the Europa league.
ginger_eejit2010-06-28 21:40:29

When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!

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I did kind of wonder what difference it made the ball bouncing comfortably back down into the keeper's arms from the underside of the bar. Clearly Neuer saw it was over the line but once he had it safely in his grasp he was admirably nonchalant and this might possibly have been the telling factor that convinced the ref that the 84,000 other people in the stadium had it wrong and were all seeing things.
 
Inescapable conclusion: Neuer is a cheat!
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Just watching the BBC coverage of the game, and neither Guy Mowbray or Mark Lawrenson could tell for definite until they saw the replay, and they are watching the television feed if they're not way up in the stands with a elevated view of the goal areas

When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!

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Watching the gmae, Germany's third came from a break-away attack from an England attacking free kick 30 yds from the German goal.

In my mind whether it was 2-1 or 2-2 at this point would not have greatly changed the way England would have setup for the free kick , if it had been 2-2, I think England would have still be pushed up looking for the winner from an attacking FK - and when Mueller scored on the counter there were 5 defending England players in the box anyway. Hardly the England getting beaten by the counter because they had a goal not given that all seem to make out.

Mueller's 2nd I think you can definetly say was down to England pushing so far up the park and getting hit on the counter but England, as Terry was way out of position and they would've had to be pushing this far up had it been 3-2 never mind 3-1

When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!

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Karma's a bitch...
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ginger_eejit wrote:
BlattersBalls wrote:
C-Diddy wrote:
ginger_eejit wrote:
[QUOTE=robags]how did the lino not give that!!!!!?????


Because he was starting his run from 17 yds upfield, from his correct position in line with the 2nd last German defender - so really wasn't in a great position to call whether or not the ball had crossed the line
 
 
This!
 
The fact that both the linesman and the referee could not see that the ball had croosed the line by the best part of a metre spells the end of international duty for them both, and their positions on the field don't count for sh*t. Concentration-wise these guys are not up to standard and Fifa needs to look at its selection policies. We wouldn't accept this level of ineptitude in the A-league let alone the biggest stage in football.


Well we all seemed happy enough when these 3 did the All Whites Bahrain game where they did a superb job in a quite hostile environment - 34,000 noisy home fans booing every call made against AW's - they just got on did their job - as they did in this game. Both officials may have seen replays on big screen and went oh f*ck but credit they kept up a good performance for rest of game.

Concur with Ginger re difficulty based on AR's position as shot was taken...he sprinted pretty damn hard to get as close to line as possible as shot was taken.

Tough to take though as Lamps has struggled for goals at WC and that one was a cracker....
keefy_NZ2010-06-29 08:08:24
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The officials are only human afterall and will miss things. From their angle it may not have looked like a goal with the keeper's reaction confirming it. I've said elsewhere the blame lies with Fifa and its refusal to give the refs support from technology.

Even though Germany was certainly the better team, English fans rightfully can ask 'what if?'.
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Footpaul wrote:
Even though Germany was certainly the better team, English fans rightfully can ask 'what if?'.


Didn't the remaining 55 minutes of the game pretty much answer that?
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Footpaul wrote:
 
Even though Germany was certainly the better team, English fans can desperately cling on to 'what if?'.
 
 
Fixed 

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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