Germany vs England

Even though Germany was certainly the better team, English fans rightfully can ask 'what if we weren't an abysmally crap football team that were bloody lucky to even make the knockout round?'.

Bollox

Referee was about 28 yds out from the middle of the goal
A/R was about 30 yds out from the middle of the goal (assuming 25 yds from middle of goal to sideline and he was 17 yds up the sideline).

Assuming the ref or A/R is 2m tall, and he is 30m away - his angle of elevated view of where the ball hits the ground is 4 deg.

Trying to make a microsecond judgement of a lateral distance difference of12-15inches from 30 yds away with a 4deg angle of view is a huge optical challenge.

I think this was the major difficulty faced by the officals, not any lack of concentration

None of the cameras that showed the ball clearly crossed the line were from the same position and view that either the ref or the A/R had.

As I said in another thread - it's a well known difficulty in current officiating methodology on dealing with goal line calls from shots from far out when the defence is high up the field and the A/R is suppsoed to maintain position with the 2nd last defender - then follow the shot through.

Perhaps one of the reasons they were trialling Goal Area A/Rs in the Europa league.

I did kind of wonder what difference it made the ball bouncing comfortably back down into the keeper's arms from the underside of the bar. Clearly�Neuer saw it was over the line but once he had it safely in his grasp he was admirably nonchalant and this might possibly have been the telling factor that�convinced the ref that the 84,000 other people in the stadium had it wrong and were all seeing things.

I did kind of wonder what difference it made the ball bouncing comfortably back down into the keeper's arms from the underside of the bar. Clearly�Neuer saw it was over the line but once he had it safely in his grasp he was admirably nonchalant and this might possibly have been the telling factor that�convinced the ref that the 84,000 other people in the stadium had it wrong and were all seeing things.

Name me a footballer anywhere, at this level, that would have stopped, grabbed the ball and indicated to the ref that a goal has been scored. I very much doubt that you would find one.

Yep. The only case I remember off-hand was Bruce Grobbelaar, in the replayed semi-final (after Hillsborough) between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest. With the scores 0-0 (I think), he saved a shot, but he admitted it was a goal as it had crossed the line.

Bruce Grobbelaar was one of the most dishonest individuals ever to play the sport. He probably admitted to it crossing the line because he had a bet on Forest winning 1-0.

If he saw it cross the line,thats poor. I dont care if you say no other footballer would do it,its still poor sportsmanship. If you have a go at people for diving (or Henrys handball),you cannot turn around and let this one go.

It is different cause he did not cheat ( by diving) He never said it did or did not go over the line. He just played the whistle.