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Group D - URU | CRC | ENG | ITA

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over 11 years ago

ajc28 wrote:

"no 'arm done, 'onest!"

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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over 11 years ago

Junior82 wrote:

nightz wrote:

What a massive over reaction.

I'd much sooner get a little nibble on my shoulder than have some guy bobsled me and get my leg busted.

When that happens I don't see such an outcry and people demanding a long ban.

Its all a beat up by the English press who hate Suarez.

Aside from the whole animalistic and just plain feral aspect of deliberately biting someone, a world class, high profile player with a long history of violent conduct committing an off-the-ball attack on an opposition player in front of a global tv audience is probably also going to get a bit of media attention.

Plus "a little nibble" is not really accurate, he sank his teeth in pretty hard by the looks of it, and judging by the photos I've seen of Chiellini's shoulder, he broke the skin too. That can lead to some pretty nasty complications:

 http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/218901-overview

Human bites have been shown to transmit hepatitis B, hepatitis C, herpes simplex virus (HSV), syphilis, tuberculosis, actinomycosis, and tetanus.

Evidence suggests that it is biologically possible to transmit the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) through human bites, although this is quite unlikely. 

Also zombie viruses

The skin isn't even broken. There is the real photo, the enhanced photo which has added bite marks and the even worse Mirror photo which shows a red mark and broken skin. Harden up yah big hair puller.

"...sure beats doin' stuff."

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over 11 years ago

So if we go on if the skin was broken or not it should be the same with studs up challenges to the shins? If the leg isn't broken it should be play on and if he moans tell him to harden up cause it's not even broken

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over 11 years ago

detoxin wrote:

So if we go on if the skin was broken or not it should be the same with studs up challenges to the shins? If the leg isn't broken it should be play on and if he moans tell him to harden up cause it's not even broken

I'm making the point that despite his obvious guilt but there's no need for the press to be falsifying photos. Who does that help other than Twitter feeds and people who already wanted Suarez hung out to dry?

"...sure beats doin' stuff."

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over 11 years ago

LeighboNZ wrote:

detoxin wrote:

So if we go on if the skin was broken or not it should be the same with studs up challenges to the shins? If the leg isn't broken it should be play on and if he moans tell him to harden up cause it's not even broken

I'm making the point that despite his obvious guilt but there's no need for the press to be falsifying photos. Who does that help other than Twitter feeds and people who already wanted Suarez hung out to dry?

It helps the press. Whoever has the most 'compelling' photo on their site will get the most hits.

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over 11 years ago

AJ13 wrote:

LeighboNZ wrote:

detoxin wrote:

So if we go on if the skin was broken or not it should be the same with studs up challenges to the shins? If the leg isn't broken it should be play on and if he moans tell him to harden up cause it's not even broken

I'm making the point that despite his obvious guilt but there's no need for the press to be falsifying photos. Who does that help other than Twitter feeds and people who already wanted Suarez hung out to dry?

It helps the press. Whoever has the most 'compelling' photo on their site will get the most hits.

I'd rather be bitten than Roy Keane'd. 

"...sure beats doin' stuff."

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over 11 years ago

Yes, it's a stupid foul but the real story is: Italy is out, again, the coach resigned because he thinks that Italy did not backed up the team is in general egoistic and did not care.

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over 11 years ago

To a certain extent a "bobsled" is a miss-timed tackle (deliberate or not) which is a "genuine" part of the game. In no way is biting someones shoulder/arm a part of the game. What is worse is that this is his third offence! Not first, not second. Third! Add to that a suspension for racial abuse and this is, in my mind, the most serious example ever of a player bringing the game in to disrepute. As an isolated incident this is a serious offence. Being the third with other serious offences I can't see why FIFA wouldn't throw the book at him and he gets a 2 year ban. That's the least he deserves. It should cover all forms of football as well. The game needs players like him but not people like him. I won't even go in to his regular diving antics.

Some will argue that will unfairly punish Liverpool but as his employer they are equally liable. Just like my employer would be if, for example, I commited fraud or other work related crimes while employed here. Liverpool stand to lose out on a huge transfer fee as 2 years will likely make him a free agent and no one will buy him prior to that ban period ending. Unfortunate but its not like it's unexpected. 167 people put money on him doing it. And won.

Peoples claims that that he is being victimised and targetted by the English and Italians are rubbish. That would be the case if he hand't done anything serious or it was a first offence. He has earned his reputation fair and square. Remove him from the game.

End of rant.

Its no longer a problem.

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over 11 years ago · edited over 11 years ago · History

Absolutely. For such a repeat offence, anything less than the maximum ban across all football would be a travesty. More likely FIFA will just make it 10 international games.

With the tackle that injures someone, tackles genuinely are part of the game and most of the time it's impossible to tell whether there was intent to injure, or whether it was just mistimed and reckless. There is no disputing the intent here.

Now the Uruguay President has given him a pardon. Apparently it's unfair to punish retrospectively. Should punishments be in advance before things happen then? Imagine if that was how justice worked!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/10203052/Uru...

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over 11 years ago

MacDonalds release the new Suarez Burger.  Three bites and you're finished.

"Phoenix till they lose"

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over 11 years ago

Saddo Liverpool fans defending Suarez. If Rooney had done it, they'd be in a long bitter line demanding ' justice '. Pathetic...

"Self-defence is an art I cultivate"

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over 11 years ago

LeighboNZ wrote:

detoxin wrote:

So if we go on if the skin was broken or not it should be the same with studs up challenges to the shins? If the leg isn't broken it should be play on and if he moans tell him to harden up cause it's not even broken

I'm making the point that despite his obvious guilt but there's no need for the press to be falsifying photos. Who does that help other than Twitter feeds and people who already wanted Suarez hung out to dry?

That does piss me off that they are doing that. makes you wonder about other stories aswell

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over 11 years ago

In before slap on the wrist from FIFA.

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over 11 years ago

Not sure if a slap on the wrist is the right option. He might bite it

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over 11 years ago

Don't bite the hand that feeds you? I actually wonder if Suarez has realised just how humour he has generated?

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over 11 years ago

Arsenal wrote:

In before slap on the wrist from FIFA.

Well I was wrong. Four month ban!

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over 11 years ago

Kind of amazed and please that FIFA actually did something about it. Though I'm in the camp of the ban should have been longer.

Still it is something but already Uruguay have said they will appeal it.

I'm an optimistic pessimist. 
I'm positive things will go wrong.
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over 11 years ago

ajc28 wrote:

Ah RAWK never fails to disappoint. The best defence from a Liverpool fan so far:

I told my sister who is completely disinterested in football. Her first reaction? Bemused laughter. When I told her it was the third time? More laughter.

If he was going around punching people in the face, I'd be more willing to condemn him. The fact is he's done the sum of fuck all damage to three fellas by having a nibble, and will probably have been punished for over 30 games for them. I'm not saying that's unjust by the way. But that's what it is, isn't it? If he'd broken three noses, would he have been suspended for less games?

I don't see how it being more unusual equals it being worse. Shitting on a fellas chest while he's sleeping is probably more uncommon than murdering or crippling someone. It doesn't mean it's worse though.

Haha the old Cleveland Steamer defence, classic!

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over 11 years ago

Seems pretty weak from FIFA but not unexpected. Half the ban is pre-season anyway. If a regular person bit three people like that they would go to prison. Guess this sets the precedent that he can keep doing it and not have to worry about missing much serious football. It's a third time repeat of the same offence. At what point does a maximum ban come in? The 5th, 6th or 7th time? 10th time?

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over 11 years ago

ajc28 wrote:

Seems pretty weak from FIFA but not unexpected. Half the ban is pre-season anyway. If a regular person bit three people like that they would go to prison. Guess this sets the precedent that he can keep doing it and not have to worry about missing much serious football. It's a third time repeat of the same offence. At what point does a maximum ban come in? The 5th, 6th or 7th time? 10th time?

no he wouldn't.

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over 11 years ago · edited over 11 years ago · History

http://www.theguardian.com/football/shortcuts/2014...

For a third time offence, probably a few weeks in prison. Plus the lifelong criminal record. In fact, I'm not sure why these things can't be dealt with in a court or law in addition to any football sanctions. Each bite has broken the law. If you bit someone in your office you would be disciplined both by your employer, and the justice system.

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over 11 years ago · edited over 11 years ago · History

"Biting is about putting a part of someone else's body into your mouth, and that is cannibalistic. That's not to say that everyone who bites is a cannibal, but on a deeper psychological level; it's about cannabalism, and that's why we find it so shocking.. If we were to rank it among all the crimes, cannabalism is about as big a no-no as possible" .... 

.... or perhaps Luis would prefer - 

"In evolutionary terms, there are many animals who bite their mates as a way of controlling them before engaging with them sexually." ...

or -

"It is nearly always a form of sadism.... To get to the root of the problem and address it effectively, he (Luis S) requires psychological therapy."

etc. etc

see todays NZ Herald : Opinion, p. A33, under Headline 'World Cup Chomp.' (full page article reprinted from UK Telegraph)

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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over 11 years ago

I am flabbergasted by some of the crap from liverpool fans.

That is just mental. There is no defence for this. RAWK is talked about a lot by liverpool fans I know and I took that to be a respected source of Liverpool opinion. All credibility lost. 

Although I was surprised at the ban it should be soooo much longer. This is seriously a 2 year type offence if not a total ban for life. Three times is a real problem, for me the size of the offence has grown exponentially compared to the other two. The first one, fine, a ban and widespread condemnation, a four year gap to the second, perhaps some therapy and a long ban, but now again within 14 months? Get the f*ck out of this sport. 

It says a lot that we can't even compare this to any previous instances in football, because no one in the history of the game has ever been as f*cked up as this guy. 

All we have is Tyson, Le Roux on Fitzpatrick, and what else? And those two guys absolutely got mothered by the authorities for their offences (Le Roux 18 month ban, Tyson banned and fined 3 million), and in far more physical sports where you might expect more instances like that. Football is probably 80% non-contact, players do not come together in rucks/mauls and rub heads, and they are not in the business of knocking eachother out, making something like this even worse than when it happened in rugby and boxing. 

Ok just googled, there was an instance in Rugby League where a player got 8 games, one in AFL where the player got 10 games, and another rugby one where the player got 6 months. They were all first offences without conclusive evidence as opposed to Tyson and Le Roux.

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over 11 years ago

Wiggles were on the news last night as well as "Suarez bit my finger".

"Phoenix till they lose"

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over 11 years ago

Junior82 wrote:

Wiggles were on the news last night as well as "Suarez bit my finger".

There's a chant in that da dada da da, Suarez bit my finger, Suarez bit my finger, da dada da da da dada da da.( conga beat)

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over 11 years ago

ajc28 wrote:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/shortcuts/2014...

For a third time offence, probably a few weeks in prison. Plus the lifelong criminal record. In fact, I'm not sure why these things can't be dealt with in a court or law in addition to any football sanctions. Each bite has broken the law. If you bit someone in your office you would be disciplined both by your employer, and the justice system.

Except there are reasonable punishments for him already; him not playing football for 4 months is probably worse to him than jail for a couple of weeks.

a.haak

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over 11 years ago

valeo wrote:

ajc28 wrote:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/shortcuts/2014...

For a third time offence, probably a few weeks in prison. Plus the lifelong criminal record. In fact, I'm not sure why these things can't be dealt with in a court or law in addition to any football sanctions. Each bite has broken the law. If you bit someone in your office you would be disciplined both by your employer, and the justice system.

Except there are reasonable punishments for him already; him not playing football for 4 months is probably worse to him than jail for a couple of weeks.

I assume that he will still be getting paid?

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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over 11 years ago

I heard on the news he isn't allowed in a football ground either, does that apply to training facilities?

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over 11 years ago · edited over 11 years ago · History

It's effectively only 2 months with the first 2 months of it being holiday time and then pre-season.

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over 11 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

I heard on the news he isn't allowed in a football ground either, does that apply to training facilities?

As I understand it he is banned from all football related activity which includes watching, endorsing, playing and training with any FIFA registered team. He'll miss the first 9 premier league games, 9 Uruaguay games, Champions League and League Cup. Even after the 4 month ban it'll take at least a month or two to get fully match fit.

I still think its a soft punishment though.

Its no longer a problem.

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over 11 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

I heard on the news he isn't allowed in a football ground either, does that apply to training facilities?

Is he allowed to play FIFA?

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over 11 years ago

Toffeeman wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

I heard on the news he isn't allowed in a football ground either, does that apply to training facilities?

As I understand it he is banned from all football related activity which includes watching, endorsing, playing and training with any FIFA registered team. He'll miss the first 9 premier league games, 9 Uruaguay games, Champions League and League Cup. Even after the 4 month ban it'll take at least a month or two to get fully match fit.

I still think its a soft punishment though.

Of course you do, you're an Everton fan.

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over 11 years ago

Leggy wrote:

valeo wrote:

ajc28 wrote:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/shortcuts/2014...

For a third time offence, probably a few weeks in prison. Plus the lifelong criminal record. In fact, I'm not sure why these things can't be dealt with in a court or law in addition to any football sanctions. Each bite has broken the law. If you bit someone in your office you would be disciplined both by your employer, and the justice system.

Except there are reasonable punishments for him already; him not playing football for 4 months is probably worse to him than jail for a couple of weeks.

I assume that he will still be getting paid?

He already lost a few of his sponsors.

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over 11 years ago

I would have thought a ban until January 1 and 1 year international ban. Its in the ball park.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 11 years ago

I reckon he got off lightly. I wonder if any broadcaster will pick him up for a comments man. He can do that from a studio.

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over 11 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

I reckon he got off lightly. I wonder if any broadcaster will pick him up for a comments man. He can do that from a studio.

Only a Uruguayan broadcaster. I guess the rest are likely to wait till the stink leaves the room.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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