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Msg to keepers - Don't move when facing pens.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Msg to keepers - Don't move when facing pens.
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
20/5/20

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
http://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/4477/1/MPRA_paper_4477.pdf
You have to feel sorry for goalkeepers. While strikers take all the gloryfor scoring goals, keepers only tend to get noticed when they make mistakes.Well now a little bit of goalkeeping help is at hand from an unlikely source: economic psychology.
Ofer Azar and colleagues in Israel watched hours of archival footage and noticed that goalkeepers save substantially more penalty kicks when they stay in the centre of goal than when they jump to the left or right. Yet paradoxically, in 93.7 per cent of penalty situations, keepers chose to jump rather than stay in the centre.... read on....
dairyflat2007-12-07 12:42:53
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
20/5/20

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I've never saved one penalty standing still...

Three for me, and two for them.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Have you tried standing still?

Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
20/5/20

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Have saved several penalties by staying in the middle, but have saved more by moving. Also works to have a bit of a "friendly dig" at the striker try to psych him out a bit, that's worked in making him mis hit his shot!

Queenslander 3x a year.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Do they take into account the fact that most penalty kicks are taken to a side of the goal? Therefore it is beneficial for a keeper to jump also. They seem to have only studied how many have actually been saved as opposed to what side (or centre) the kicks actually end up. Often a Keeper dives the right way, but still doesnt manage to save the kick, this would not be counted in their studies id imagine...
 
Hope that made sense...it did in my head!

Allegedly

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
In fact, analysis of 286 penalty kicks taken in elite matches around the world showed that keepers saved 33.3 per cent of penalties when they stayed in the centre, compared with just 12.6 per cent of kicks when they jumped right and 14.2 per cent when they jumped left.
 
Well then, we need a NON-elite sample. Any volunteers?
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
20/5/20

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Tegal wrote:
Do they take into account the fact that most penalty kicks are taken to a side of the goal? Therefore it is beneficial for a keeper to jump also. They seem to have only studied how many have actually been saved as opposed to what side (or centre) the kicks actually end up. Often a Keeper dives the right way, but still doesnt manage to save the kick, this would not be counted in their studies id imagine...
 
Hope that made sense...it did in my head!
 
see page 24 of the study.
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
20/5/20

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
dairyflat wrote:

Have you tried standing still?

 
Yes, and when they score everyone goes "oh why didn't you dive?"

Three for me, and two for them.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Buffon II wrote:
dairyflat wrote:

Have you tried standing still?

 
Yes, and when they score everyone goes "oh why didn't you dive?"


now you can keep  a photocopy of the study by your drink bottle and hand it to them to read
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Printing it as i type this now!!!

Queenslander 3x a year.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
quote from last line of the abstract "Finally, we discuss several implications
of the action/omission bias for economics and management."

so now interviews for Treasury jobs will include a penalty shoot-out

(it could only improve the quality of their forecasting)
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
LOL
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
20/5/20

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
just run non-stop along the goal line. thats enough to confuse and psych out any penalty taker. or stand by one post. then he wont know if you are going to run to the other side, or stay there. but he probably wont want to shoot to the side the keeper is standing on, so he will probably go the other way anyway.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
This was in the 'Sidelines' part of the Dom post's sport lift out thing.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I h8 penaltys in genral


im a keeper and we played wellington reps



it was 0-0 till the end i saved the penalty but it made me a hero,if i had misd id be F#%KN
PeNguin in the batman series
HK_Keeper2007-12-15 23:14:30
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
our team goalie never let a pen in all season.He only had 2 against him and both went straight down the middle.He did a little jump thing on the penalty takers run up so maybe he put him off.
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
In fact, analysis of 286 penalty kicks taken in elite matches around the world showed that keepers saved 33.3 per cent of penalties when they stayed in the centre, compared with just 12.6 per cent of kicks when they jumped right and 14.2 per cent when they jumped left.

i do agree with that to an extent, sometimes a gk moving gives away which way he is going.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCkrXhKo6GQ

what if they jump both ways? i'm sure any liverpool fan (or any football fan, expecially milan) would remember a shoot out when  a certain goal keeper 'danced' his way to victory in the 2005 champions league final.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x19CG1xdu3Y&feature=related
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
ITS AS SIMPLE AS READING THE KICKER!
  • Watch the shooter's eyes and overall demeanor. Often they will give away small clues before they are ever ready to shoot, like peeking at the corner they are aiming for.
  • Watch the approach. Is it straight on, or wide? A very wide approach often indicates the shooter is going towards the opposite corner. A straight-on approach gives fewer clues.
  • Watch the plant foot. The ball will go where the plant foot points.
  • Watch the hips. The ball goes where the hips point. A "push pass" shot will require the hips to open up in the direction the ball is going.
  • Watch the head. If the shooter drops their head low with a big pull-back of the leg, it usually means a cross-body shot. If the head stays up more, it can mean the shooter will stay open to push the ball to the opposite corner.
  • Don't react too soon. Use the cues above to predict where the ball might go, and be ready to go that way, but wait a split second to be sure it really is going there. The keeper might think one direction based on the shooter's eyes and approach, but the plant foot and hips may tell a different story just before the ball is struck.

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
It's crazy how many people at under 16s level will blaze it over,wide or straight down the middle. We had 8 pens in 23 games, i took 3 and scored 3, usually going top right. out of the other 5, one was scored :|

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

studies have reported that international players tend to shoot to the keepers left.

oddly more new zealand players shoot to the keepers right.
also if you consider the player shooting to be either cocky or showy they will usually go to the keepers left (that goes for most of the 2007 olympic u19's)
 
 
caution: only do this if you cant read what they are doing
frustr8dstriker2008-01-26 18:48:20


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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
oh and i dont have the link to the survey mentioned. if found it online and it analysed the world cup pens


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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I've saved 10 out of 12 pens I faced in the last 4-5 seasons (Cap Prem and Cap 1) and have a pretty well poven record before that. There is a trick to knowing where to go but if I tell people then I lose my advantage.

Its easy when you know how.

Its no longer a problem.

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
stop bragging stu


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