Kiwi Players Elsewhere

Elliott Collier (Unattached FC)

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<p><a href="https://www.chicago-fire.com/post/2018/02/28/chicago-fire-soccer-club-signs-2018-mls-superdraft-picks-diego-campos-and-elliot" target="_blank">Chicago Fire has signed Elliot Colier for the 2018 season with club options for 2019, 2020 and 2021</a></p>

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Argie- wrote:

<p><a href="https://www.chicago-fire.com/post/2018/02/28/chicago-fire-soccer-club-signs-2018-mls-superdraft-picks-diego-campos-and-elliot" target="_blank">Chicago Fire has signed Elliot Colier for the 2018 season with club options for 2019, 2020 and 2021</a></p>

another Ole player

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Argie- wrote:

<p><a href="https://www.chicago-fire.com/post/2018/02/28/chicago-fire-soccer-club-signs-2018-mls-superdraft-picks-diego-campos-and-elliot" target="_blank">Chicago Fire has signed Elliot Colier for the 2018 season with club options for 2019, 2020 and 2021</a></p>

another Ole player

Who's the other one?

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about 8 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

Argie- wrote:

<p><a href="https://www.chicago-fire.com/post/2018/02/28/chicago-fire-soccer-club-signs-2018-mls-superdraft-picks-diego-campos-and-elliot" target="_blank">Chicago Fire has signed Elliot Colier for the 2018 season with club options for 2019, 2020 and 2021</a></p>

another Ole player

Who's the other one?

Ryan Thomas, Elijah Just, Callum McCowatt....., I was meaning another player to come from Ole

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Gouldie would love him.


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about 8 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

Argie- wrote:

<p><a href="https://www.chicago-fire.com/post/2018/02/28/chicago-fire-soccer-club-signs-2018-mls-superdraft-picks-diego-campos-and-elliot" target="_blank">Chicago Fire has signed Elliot Colier for the 2018 season with club options for 2019, 2020 and 2021</a></p>

another Ole player

Who's the other one?

There's also a few of us playing for Brooklyn Masters

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patrick478 wrote:

Argie- wrote:

<p><a href="https://www.chicago-fire.com/post/2018/02/28/chicago-fire-soccer-club-signs-2018-mls-superdraft-picks-diego-campos-and-elliot" target="_blank">Chicago Fire has signed Elliot Colier for the 2018 season with club options for 2019, 2020 and 2021</a></p>

another Ole player

Who's the other one?

Ryan Thomas, Elijah Just, Callum McCowatt....., I was meaning another player to come from Ole

There are a few Olé players of various vintages in MLS teams or their affiliates at the moment. Adams, Brown, Colier, Gleeson...

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about 8 years ago

Careful Lemon.  

Don't get sucked into the Rufer like world where anyone who once said hello to him or walked past a park he ran a session at is claimed as a WYNRS graduate.


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about 8 years ago

JamesBo wrote:
He's strong on the ball and good feet for a big man. That 3rd goal is something else. Looking forward to seeing him carry on his career from here

Valley FC til I die?

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Good feet for a big man must be one of the most over-used cliches in football. It's about time we realised that not all tall people lack skill, as much as all left feet are not cultured

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about 8 years ago

Peter Crouch is a legend...

What would you be in you weren't a professional footballer Peter?

hmmm, probably a virgin still!

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about 8 years ago

Nelfoos wrote:

JamesBo wrote:
He's strong on the ball and good feet for a big man. That 3rd goal is something else. Looking forward to seeing him carry on his career from here

Has some good skills as well.

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about 8 years ago

happydays wrote:

Good feet for a big man must be one of the most over-used cliches in football. It's about time we realised that not all tall people lack skill, as much as all left feet are not cultured

Its a cliche for a reason - there a a lot of big men with shark touches see: Hamish Watson. It is rarer for a 6ft 4 striker to move with the ball like that than a 5ft 10 one. Its an indication of versatility and the ability to play different styles of football. Just because its said a lot doesn't take away the emaning of it.

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Nelfoos wrote:

happydays wrote:

Good feet for a big man must be one of the most over-used cliches in football. It's about time we realised that not all tall people lack skill, as much as all left feet are not cultured

Its a cliche for a reason - there a a lot of big men with shark touches see: Hamish Watson. It is rarer for a 6ft 4 striker to move with the ball like that than a 5ft 10 one. Its an indication of versatility and the ability to play different styles of football. Just because its said a lot doesn't take away the emaning of it.

There's a lot of small players with a rubbish touch too, see Appiah.

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about 8 years ago

happydays wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

happydays wrote:

Good feet for a big man must be one of the most over-used cliches in football. It's about time we realised that not all tall people lack skill, as much as all left feet are not cultured

Its a cliche for a reason - there a a lot of big men with shark touches see: Hamish Watson. It is rarer for a 6ft 4 striker to move with the ball like that than a 5ft 10 one. Its an indication of versatility and the ability to play different styles of football. Just because its said a lot doesn't take away the meaning of it.

There's a lot of small players with a rubbish touch too, see Appiah.

Absolutely. Not sure of the relevance though

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Nelfoos wrote:

happydays wrote:

Good feet for a big man must be one of the most over-used cliches in football. It's about time we realised that not all tall people lack skill, as much as all left feet are not cultured

Its a cliche for a reason - there a a lot of big men with shark touches see: Hamish Watson. It is rarer for a 6ft 4 striker to move with the ball like that than a 5ft 10 one. Its an indication of versatility and the ability to play different styles of football. Just because its said a lot doesn't take away the emaning of it.

Zinedine Zidane had a good touch for a big man

It's a rubbish cliche

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about 8 years ago

He also had a good headbutt!

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It's a cliché from back when British centre forwards were often big brutes, frequently used at both the front and the back. Football has moved on as a game and any decent player needs to be good with their feet.

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That's fair. He is good with his feet for a striker of any height then. Some very tidy touches that I wouldn't expect from most strikers at that level. Y'all are focussing on the "big man" bit too much and ignoring the "good with his feet" bit which is the point of the comment.

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about 8 years ago

anyone dropped him a congratulatory email?



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about 8 years ago

reg22 wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

happydays wrote:

Good feet for a big man must be one of the most over-used cliches in football. It's about time we realised that not all tall people lack skill, as much as all left feet are not cultured

Its a cliche for a reason - there a a lot of big men with shark touches see: Hamish Watson. It is rarer for a 6ft 4 striker to move with the ball like that than a 5ft 10 one. Its an indication of versatility and the ability to play different styles of football. Just because its said a lot doesn't take away the emaning of it.

Zinedine Zidane had a good touch for a big man

It's a rubbish cliche

Collier is the same height as Patrick Viera, who had decent feet!

a.haak

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about 8 years ago

Scored in a pre season friendly against Tulsa Roughnecks. Chicago won 2-1

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about 8 years ago

martinb wrote:

anyone dropped him a congratulatory email?

I can't because of the non-molestation order
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about 8 years ago

Video of goal here

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/world-game/101960630/kiwi-striker-elliot-collier-fires-for-chicago-fire-in-major-league-soccer-preseason

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happydays wrote:

Good feet for a big man must be one of the most over-used cliches in football. It's about time we realised that not all tall people lack skill, as much as all left feet are not cultured

It's not about big guys lacking skill, it's about big guys having less ball control or dribbling skills. A big part of dribbling is having agility and good turn of pace, both aren't something big guys normally have. It's like when a bad tackle is made you often hear the phrase "strikers challenge" being used. Doesn't mean all strikers can't tackle, but the large majority of strikers aren't great at tackling, mostly because they don't need to be, it's not part of a striker's game.  
Annual finals disappointment enthusiast.

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happydays wrote:

Good feet for a big man must be one of the most over-used cliches in football. It's about time we realised that not all tall people lack skill, as much as all left feet are not cultured

It's not about big guys lacking skill, it's about big guys having less ball control or dribbling skills. A big part of dribbling is having agility and good turn of pace, both aren't something big guys normally have. It's like when a bad tackle is made you often hear the phrase "strikers challenge" being used. Doesn't mean all strikers can't tackle, but the large majority of strikers aren't great at tackling, mostly because they don't need to be, it's not part of a striker's game.  

So, ball control's not part of a 'big man's' game?

If not, what are they doing on the pitch?

I think you just p1ssed Chris Waddle (188cm) off :-)

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reg22 wrote:

happydays wrote:

Good feet for a big man must be one of the most over-used cliches in football. It's about time we realised that not all tall people lack skill, as much as all left feet are not cultured

It's not about big guys lacking skill, it's about big guys having less ball control or dribbling skills. A big part of dribbling is having agility and good turn of pace, both aren't something big guys normally have. It's like when a bad tackle is made you often hear the phrase "strikers challenge" being used. Doesn't mean all strikers can't tackle, but the large majority of strikers aren't great at tackling, mostly because they don't need to be, it's not part of a striker's game.  

So, ball control's not part of a 'big man's' game?

If not, what are they doing on the pitch?

I think you just p1ssed Chris Waddle (188cm) off :-)

You can't deny that a 5'7 footballer is far more likely to have better ball control than a 6'4 guy. If someone were to graph ball control vs height there'd no doubt be a correlation

Shorter = lower centre of gravity = higher balance = better agility = easier control

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reg22 wrote:

happydays wrote:

Good feet for a big man must be one of the most over-used cliches in football. It's about time we realised that not all tall people lack skill, as much as all left feet are not cultured

It's not about big guys lacking skill, it's about big guys having less ball control or dribbling skills. A big part of dribbling is having agility and good turn of pace, both aren't something big guys normally have. It's like when a bad tackle is made you often hear the phrase "strikers challenge" being used. Doesn't mean all strikers can't tackle, but the large majority of strikers aren't great at tackling, mostly because they don't need to be, it's not part of a striker's game.  

So, ball control's not part of a 'big man's' game?

If not, what are they doing on the pitch?

I think you just p1ssed Chris Waddle (188cm) off :-)

Big guys are usually centre backs, centre forwards or goal keepers. Smaller guys are usually wide players or creative midfielders. That's always been the trend, I don't know why it's so hard to understand. And traditionally, number 9's and defenders aren't as good on the ball as winger's and midfielders. Simple as that. It's not saying they're rubbish with the ball at their feet - they're professional footballers after all, of course they're still good - just not as good traditionally as shorter guys. Its the case in professional football, its the case in amateur. I'm 6"6, I rarely see anyone professional or not that's "good with their feet" relative to the level that they're playing. Its just how it is. Like how you don't often see a little guy who is "good in the air". So when a player like Radamel Falcao comes along it's noteworthy, a 5"9 guy who is great at heading is just as unlikely as a 6"4 guy being a silky dribbler
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Does everyone else think "good with their feet" just means dribbling though? >90% of football is played with the feet, so I imagine some people here are inferring it to mean having good technique in general, which has increased massively in importance for players in the traditional big guy positions. I think this is where Reg is coming from. 

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On the bench as Chicago play their first MLS match this season against Kansas.

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mrsmiis wrote:

reg22 wrote:

happydays wrote:

Good feet for a big man must be one of the most over-used cliches in football. It's about time we realised that not all tall people lack skill, as much as all left feet are not cultured

It's not about big guys lacking skill, it's about big guys having less ball control or dribbling skills. A big part of dribbling is having agility and good turn of pace, both aren't something big guys normally have. It's like when a bad tackle is made you often hear the phrase "strikers challenge" being used. Doesn't mean all strikers can't tackle, but the large majority of strikers aren't great at tackling, mostly because they don't need to be, it's not part of a striker's game.  

So, ball control's not part of a 'big man's' game?

If not, what are they doing on the pitch?

I think you just p1ssed Chris Waddle (188cm) off :-)

You can't deny that a 5'7 footballer is far more likely to have better ball control than a 6'4 guy. If someone were to graph ball control vs height there'd no doubt be a correlation

Shorter = lower centre of gravity = higher balance = better agility = easier control

Probably more likely but its not due to physical limitations but more likely due to environment etc. From an early age kids who are taller end up being used in certain positions more than other positions because of their size. Mostly from coaches who are either keen dads helping out and lacking the sort of long term understanding or coaches who subscribe to historic ideas on positions and physical attributes. Because of that the taller kids all the way through their junior and youth years are more likely to experience coaching that doesnt value ball control and technique as much as they need.

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about 8 years ago

JamesBo wrote:

On the bench as Chicago play their first MLS match this season against Kansas.

Chicago lose 2-0. Collier not required but good effort to get a bench spot already. The Fire obviously see something in him. Good stuff.

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coochiee wrote:

JamesBo wrote:

On the bench as Chicago play their first MLS match this season against Kansas.

Chicago lose 2-0. Collier not required but good effort to get a bench spot already. The Fire obviously see something in him. Good stuff.

Surely will be a part of the new NZ setup, especially given our lack of depth up front. Will be interesting if he accepts the call, or chooses to push for a starting spot in MLS. Given he's on the bench now, it could be quite a decision to make for him

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coochiee wrote:

JamesBo wrote:

On the bench as Chicago play their first MLS match this season against Kansas.

Chicago lose 2-0. Collier not required but good effort to get a bench spot already. The Fire obviously see something in him. Good stuff.

Collier came on in the 87th minute to make his debut. Subbed on for Christian Dean.

Final score 4-3 to Sporting Kansas City.

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YoungHeart wrote:

coochiee wrote:

JamesBo wrote:

On the bench as Chicago play their first MLS match this season against Kansas.

Chicago lose 2-0. Collier not required but good effort to get a bench spot already. The Fire obviously see something in him. Good stuff.

Collier came on in the 87th minute to make his debut. Subbed on for Christian Dean.

Final score 4-3 to Sporting Kansas City.

Whoops must have been looking at HT score or something. Good for him. Any AWs call up should wait, plenty of time for that later.

All the MLS Kiwis can have a video link chat to the new AWs coach or something. Most need to prioritise their MLS careers over Canada game.

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AlfStamp wrote:

mrsmiis wrote:

reg22 wrote:

happydays wrote:

Good feet for a big man must be one of the most over-used cliches in football. It's about time we realised that not all tall people lack skill, as much as all left feet are not cultured

It's not about big guys lacking skill, it's about big guys having less ball control or dribbling skills. A big part of dribbling is having agility and good turn of pace, both aren't something big guys normally have. It's like when a bad tackle is made you often hear the phrase "strikers challenge" being used. Doesn't mean all strikers can't tackle, but the large majority of strikers aren't great at tackling, mostly because they don't need to be, it's not part of a striker's game.  

So, ball control's not part of a 'big man's' game?

If not, what are they doing on the pitch?

I think you just p1ssed Chris Waddle (188cm) off :-)

You can't deny that a 5'7 footballer is far more likely to have better ball control than a 6'4 guy. If someone were to graph ball control vs height there'd no doubt be a correlation

Shorter = lower centre of gravity = higher balance = better agility = easier control

Probably more likely but its not due to physical limitations but more likely due to environment etc. From an early age kids who are taller end up being used in certain positions more than other positions because of their size. Mostly from coaches who are either keen dads helping out and lacking the sort of long term understanding or coaches who subscribe to historic ideas on positions and physical attributes. Because of that the taller kids all the way through their junior and youth years are more likely to experience coaching that doesnt value ball control and technique as much as they need.

Unless you are part of the Wyners Academy where everyone is taught the same skills :). This is also a problem in basketball, where the bigger kids are usually stuck in the post and never have a chance to develop an outside or ball carrying game. If they move on to the US, they can have problems because they don't have the outside game that most big men have these days in the US and Europe.
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about 8 years ago

Another good young player that by-passed the Phoenix

Normo's coming home

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