Surprised by Vaders negativity... not that he can't be normally but he seemed to do it with such passion this time.
My opinion is that he is not good enough. That was a simple opinion I stated from the get go and that was it. Basically it started when the guy put words in my mouth. To me, I don't care if he is professional or plays for Man U - it's not a consideration I make when I say he is not good enough. I think the league he plays in to a degree has no relevance because if it did, the likes of Feneridis, McGeorge, Ivan, Clapham would not have worn/be wearing the white shirt because they play at a lower level. By the same token, whether he is professional or not makes no difference to me for those same players I just listed. Then all I read after that was 'This is what Michael thinks' so not really his opinion, but just a repeater and to me, it reeked of sour grapes, especially when I called him on the altitude thing. I never stated at any point in time that he was not good enough because of the league he played in yet I get attributed of saying that. Now to totally destroy my argument, I thought Aaron Clapham had a standout Nations Cup in Honiara and yet he looked like out of his depth again Jordan so I accept that if he gets another go and turns in something infinitely better, it's subject to change. You are only ever as good as the last match you played and for me = not good enough (and he had two goes)
I have no doubt that the Japanese leagues are a good standard of football and good on him for establishing himself over there. For me, I assess what he did in a white shirt and all I saw was 'not good enough'. I think if we were picking players on what league they play in and what their status is, we are in danger of looking foolish because by that very definition alone, Totori > Ivan. Now that's a simplistic statement to make but we all know its a load of bollocks. I'd also like to point out that John Barnes was a wizard in a Liverpool shirt yet he was utter shyte for England... Logically, it should not have worked that way but it did.
As for the history between WR and RH about this kid, someone fill me in a bit more because what I read is that WR has influence in picking of players in the team.
And JD, if you want to ban me, it does not bother me. You'll do it, or you won't however if people are going to attribute stuff to me I did not say or talk bollocks when you get called on it, yeah I'll tell you what I think, just like you and Term frequently do to each other. The point is, I back my opinion strongly so if people disagree with it, put up a strong argument that shows me I am wrong. I do change my mind when shown a point of view that has reason but saying 'you are wrong JV and are bully' is hardly a point of view where I am going to go 'well he has a point'