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Asia hates the A-League.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Asia hates the A-League.
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Points that struck me...
 
"Each country's league was assessed on 10 aspects (for which they were given points) - organisation, technical standard, attendance, governance/soundness, marketing/promotion, business scale, match organisation, media, stadiums and clubs."
 
Fair enough...but...
 
"Australia only rated seventh, with a total of 306 points - 164 behind top-placed Japan, 132 less than second-placed Korea and 109 less than China."
 
OK.  So the A-League might have issues in the technical standard and business scale departments.  But for the rest.  Absolute Bullsh*t I say...
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From Mariners site
 
This is the article you are talking about I think
 
http://www.the-afc.com/eng/articles/viewArticle.jsp_166592761.html

Australia adjudged �B�
KUALA LUMPUR: Australia have been given a �B� by the AFC Pro-League Ad-Hoc Committee after a threadbare appraisal of the eligibility of AFC�s newest member to continue their participation in the AFC Champions League which will be relaunched next year along strictly professional lines.

Australia have returned a score of seven �Bs� and 56 �As� with the committee viewing the �B� goals achievable by the deadline of 1 October, 2008.

The �B� fields which need to be turned into �As� are:

1) The league should have a system for promotion/relegation
2) The league governing body should be a legal entity governed by its football association
3) The league governing body should have a management structure which controls competition, marketing, media and finance
4) Club representatives, ii) representatives of football association and iii) representatives from the league�s top management should be members of the highest decision making body (executive committee) of the league
5) The position of CEO should be full-time
6) The league should have an audited Profit and Loss Statement and Balance Sheet
7) The league should have an auditor

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Your average day at the K-League.
 
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2) The league governing body should be a legal entity governed by its football association

That's the big one

a.haak

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Midfielder wrote:


1) The league should have a system for promotion/relegation
 
To where? With 10 teams in the league how on earth can you be relegated or promoted. Utterly ridiculous.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The A-League will never have a promotion/relegation system

a.haak

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Furthermore to the promotion/relegation apsect, why does it even matter? IMO this does more harm than good to the quality of the league itself. If a club is not performing over a long period of time, like the Knights/Kingz then the A-League got rid of them anyway. I don't believe any of the clubs would be able to sustain themselves financially if they were to get relegated to a lower division.
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Please remember the Knights and the Kingz are two different entities in two different leagues. 

The Kingz disappeared because the league they were in did, not because they were chopped.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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OK fair enough, were they the same owners (initially) with the existing player contracts though? When did they change from "Auckland" to "New Zealand", was it the same time?
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They were never Auckland.

You had the Football Kingz from 99-00 to 03-04.  The New Zealand Knights from 05-06 to 06-07. Phoenix 07-08.

Owners:
99-00 - Chris Turner, Sam Malcolmson (I think) and various Auckland football people.
00-01 - SKY TV
01-02 - SKY TV
02-03 - Chris Turner and Ted Midlane
03-04 - Chris Turner and Ted Midlane

Late in the 03-04 season Chris Turner sold the club to South African Millionaire Brian Katzen but he barely had the club before the decision was made to shut the NSL down.

Once the A-League was announced, Katzen used the base of the Kingz to bid for an A-League spot but (stupidly) changed the name to the New Zealand Knights.  Because the NSL had folded no players were contracted, they appointed Adshead as coach and recruited (very badly) from scratch.


How's my driving? - Whine here

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theprof wrote:
Midfielder wrote:
1) The league should have a system for promotion/relegation[/QUOTE]
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To where? With 10 teams in the league how on earth can you be relegated or promoted. Utterly ridiculous.


You could have clubs that have won their respective local state leagues e.g. the semi-pro victoria premier league and the NSW premier league and then have them have a playoff competition which includes the A-League last placer getter to determine the overall winner. The winner can then have access to an viable nearby stadium as determined/graded by the FFA and a pool of interested local investors as well as having designated "floating investors" that would have indicated that they will move their investment from the relegated A-League side to the new promoted A-League side to keep the professional A-League system afloat. Their investments will be at higher returns. compare to "fixed investors" that are devoted to a particular franchise, as their services are to A-league competition as well as to cover the usual money shortfall that occurs with a defeated side rather than service to the franchise itself. This way the newly promoted franchise would not be out of pocket start the new A-League as well as attracting a new breed of investors.

It only means that the newly promoted side would be a bit on the back foot having a short off season leading into the A-league season but it can be certain that at the last moment they can take the relegated A-club's place at pre-season cup.

. . . Then again, you could take Japan's approach when in the 90's when they launched the J-league in 1993.

But they have their hiccups at first, but the FFA should be aware enough to learn from their mistake.

Here's some notes about the J-League . . . we could learn to take something on board.

[quote]Japanese football had a good first three J-League season and then for the next three seasons clubs were losing money. This was due to clubs continue high wages to the foreign players and low league attendance declined rapidly maybe due to rapid expansions of new clubs (from 10 clubs to 18 in six years).

So they restructured the J-League.

1.)J.League Hundred Year Vision, in which they aim to make 100 professional football clubs by 2093.

2.)Clubs to promote football or non-football related sports and health activities, to acquire local sponsorships, and to build good relationship with their hometowns at the grass-root level. The league believe that this will allow clubs to bond with their respective cities and towns and get support from local government, companies, and citizens. In other words, clubs will be able to rely on the locals, rather than major national sponsors.

3.)The topflight became the J.League Division 1 (J1) with 16 clubs while the new J.League Division 2 (J2) was launched with ten clubs in 1999. The second-tier Japan Football League (former), now became third-tier Japan Football League.

4.)The criteria for becoming a J2 club was not as strict as the top division. This allowed smaller cities and towns to maintain a club successfully without investing as much as clubs in J1.

5.)J2 Clubs took time to build their teams for J1 promotion as they also tried to gradually improve the youth systems, the home stadium, the financial status, and the relationship with their hometown.

6.) By 2005, J1 had 18 clubs and so the number of relegated clubs also increased to 2.5 from 2, with the third-from-bottom club going into promotion/relegation playoffs with the third-placed J2 club.

7.) J. League Division 2 started to expand to fulfill the demands of lower-level clubs becoming professional. At the end of 2004 two clubs were promoted from the Japan Football League (semi-pro league).

8.)At the beginning of the 2006 season, the league took a survey to figure out the number of non-league clubs interested in joining the professional league. As it turned out, about 40-60 clubs in Japan plan to be professional in the next 30 years.

9.)The league management formed a committee and looked at two practical options; either expand the second division or form a third division. In other words, the league had a choice between letting the non-league clubs catch up to the J2 standard or form a third division with non-league clubs where these clubs can prepare for J2.

10.)Professional assessment that it is the best interest of the league to expand the J2 to 22 clubs before forming a third division.

Reasons;

a.)Japan Football League, the third-tier in Japanese football league system was already serving the purpose of preparing the non-league clubs.
b.)At the time, most non-league club interested becoming professional were in the regional leagues or Prefectural leagues, two to four level below J2.
c.)Twenty-two clubs is the perfect number as it allows enough number of home games for annual revenue, while keeping the competition at fair double-round robin format.
d.)Most European leagues have similar football pyramids where there is more clubs in 2nd- and 3rd-tier leagues than the top flight.

11.) Committee also reintroduced Associate Membership System to identify and assist such non-league clubs. The membership is exclusively given to non-league clubs that have intention to joining the J.League and also fulfill most of the criteria for J2 promotion.

12.) Associate members finishing top 4 of JFL will be promoted to J2.

The league believe this strict system will prevent financially unstable clubs and also allow the league to maintain certain standard as a professional league without having to adopt the "closed shop" franchise system like their baseball.


Anyway back to Australia . . . There is no real reason not to have a budget semi-pro national league with less strict criteria to build the clubs up into A-League material. I don't like having different semi-pro state league and much prefer to match them up in a national set-up to stimulate interest in get into the A-League.

That should at least be happening.

The old NSL survived without the correct set up for years and without clear off-field objectives. With the A-League criteria as an objective and the high interest in the country for the last 4 years, It's not a horrible idea to have another national league under the A-league at a budget/testing/building stage, surely there are very solid clubs in the VPL and NSWPL etc that could cover their traveling expenses at least?
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Intersting article
 
Lowy looking at relegation-promotion system in A-League

http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/05/24/lowy-looking-at-relegation-promotion-system-in-a-league/

FFA chairman Frank Lowy is looking to introduce a relegation-promotion system to the A-League to strengthen Australia�s ranking in Asia and enhance its bid to host the 2018 World Cup.

The system wouldn�t come in for at least another five years but Lowy believed it was the only way for the A-League to be respected abroad.

The billionaire said it was likely the eight-team A-League would grow to only 10 teams for 2009-10 season, rather than the 12 that was mooted by FFA chief executive Ben Buckley.

New Gold Coast and Townsville franchises are set to be introduced next year while second teams for Sydney and Melbourne will likely have to wait until 2010-11.

�I think the first (expansion) will be 10 because with Sydney and Melbourne we need the clubs to agree to it because they have a five-year moratorium,� Lowy said today.

�I think to absorb four teams at the one time may just be a little hard and there will be some risks. We don�t want to take those risks.�

Lowy also suggested 12 teams was only a stepping stone.

�Why stop at 12? The sky is blue, the future is great,� he said.

The Asian Football Confederation this week kept Australia�s representation to two spots in next season�s Asian Champions League, while handing Iran four and India one in the new 32-team format.

It rated Australia seventh of the 46 AFC member associations, according to criteria including governance, marketing, media and stadiums.

China, likely to compete with Australia for the right to be the AFC�s preferred option for the 2018 World Cup, rated third.

Lowy believed the reason for the low rating was the absence of a relegation-promotion system in the A-League.

�Promotion and relegation is the lifeblood of the game, so we can�t ignore it and we won�t ignore it,� he said.

�By the time the (2018) World Cup comes there will be promotion and relegation, we will probably have a lot more teams and � I believe we are going to move forward in big steps, as we are now.�

Lowy did not specify the minimum amount of teams he would need in the league for a relegation-promotion system to function well, saying the most important thing was to create a strong second-tier league and that would take time.

Looking ahead to next week�s FIFA congress in Sydney, Lowy said it was �extremely important� to prove Australia can be great hosts in the long lead-up to 2018.

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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2018 for promotion/relegation seems unlikely to me. Money is obviously the key here, and the fact that  while football has undoubtedly made gigantic strides in the last few years in the Antipodes it still has a lot of stiff competition with the likes of AFL, League and Rugby, not to mention all the other sports out there hunting for dollars. Someone is going to be a loser out of this lot, especially when there is an inevitable economic downturn, which more established 'traditional' sports will ride out better than football. Am I wrong in suggesting that most A League clubs are probably currently running at a loss?

It is barely credible that a second division can be cobbled together with a sound financial base, particularly when you consider that expansion of the A League itself is far from complete and wont be any time soon. Where are these 2nd tier teams to come from in Oz and NZ? How will they meet their financial commitments? The old frozen chook raffle wont cut it now days: a fully professional club needs a massive amount of cash to operate.
 
I respect and admire Lowy for the way he has helped put football on the map down this part of the world, but I've been thinking for a while now that this goal of hosting the World CUp in 2018 is starting to become an obsession. Grandiose ambition is not necessarily a bad thing (Aussies can never be accused of not thinking big), but I think we need to forget about FIFA brownie points and concentrate on cementing a strong, high-quality league that has long-term growth potential.
                                                                                                                                                                  
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