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Good news for us all

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Great and I think , hope , the future,.......Imagine the buying powr the Nix would have in NZ if this were to come to pass


http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23546504-5006068,00.html

Soccer sitting on TV goldmine  
 
David Davutovic

April 16, 2008 12:00am

THE battle of Australia's football codes is not confined to western Sydney, with soccer's TV rights tipped to rival AFL when a new deal is nutted out in 2013.

Leading media buyer and analyst Harold Mitchell claims soccer could surpass the NRL's $500 million deal and rub shoulders with the AFL.

Mitchell, the man who advised the AFL when they signed the unprecedented $780 million TV deal, predicted that Football Federation Australia's bargaining power would top the $100 million-a-year mark by the time the rights are up for renewal.

"The soccer rights should be a $100 million-a-year sport by 2013," Mitchell said. "It could be equal to the AFL by then if it is properly presented.

"No doubt it could surpass the NRL. The reason is it can grow into all the states, southern and western. Where the NRL is very strong in NSW and Queensland, soccer can grow into new areas more easily and readily. Also what's developing is that mums want their kids to play soccer.

"They don't like thuggery, so it's perfectly positioned as a family sport. It's minimal contact, it's of high appeal and it is a fast-moving game for TV, plus it's short."

His argument is supported by the Professional Footballers Association, whose research indicates that the soccer rights - A-League and Socceroos packaged together - would eventually surpass NRL.

PFA chief executive Brendan Schwab - a former vice-president of AFL club Richmond - believes if A-League teams are introduced in western Sydney, Melbourne and the Gold Coast before the next deal, the TV rights would be lucrative.

"The question is when, not if," Schwab said in reference to surpassing the NRL's TV rights.

"We may not be No. 1, but the key is being the No. 2 sport in every Australian market.

"The Socceroos can be the No. 1 national team in Australia, with a regular audience of one million and up to 3.5 million for big games.

"Packaged together, these media rights can provide a commercial platform that will sit only behind the AFL in the medium to long term."

Soccer's current seven-year, $130 million deal with Fox Sports was lucrative at the time it was signed - after just one A-League season.

But it was also signed on the eve of the 2006 World Cup and Mitchell said the rights even now would be worth considerably more.

In soccer's favour is that the FFA chief executive Ben Buckley was the man who brokered the AFL's unprecedented five-year, $780 million deal, which remains unsurpassed.

Buckley refused to comment yesterday, citing the expiration date too far away to speculate

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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tHis shows how far the a-League and football in this part of the world has moved is such a short time....$100 million a year in TV rights is a massive amount of money. That much wealth really would make the A-League more financely viable as a world league. More money means attracting and holding better players. It would support a much bigger league...probably 14 to 16 teams(maybe even another kiwi team). There could even be a semipro second division based on existing state teams. This really is the beginning of the golden age of football in Australasia....and to be honest whats good for Oz football is generally good for kiwi football.
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Ronaldunno wrote:
tHis shows how far the a-League and football in this part of the world has moved is such a short time....$100 million a year in TV rights is a massive amount of money. That much wealth really would make the A-League more financely viable as a world league. More money means attracting and holding better players. It would support a much bigger league...probably 14 to 16 teams(maybe even another kiwi team). There could even be a semipro second division based on existing state teams. This really is the beginning of the golden age of football in Australasia....and to be honest whats good for Oz football is generally good for kiwi football.
 
It does not stop there the Australian government will still be looking to fund and help the women's league and spondsorsships will increase along with crowds is my guess.
 
Frank Lowy will also keep the pressure on all states to build stadiums for the WC bid, and even the talk of the WC bit and Socceroos success (please and hopefully) will keep football in the headlines.
 
You just ............ gotta love Frank Lowy he picked up a broke, inept, corrupt, miss managed local scene, in a hopeless Oceania Football Confederation and in four years �����. he even managed to keep a NZ side and plus argue for a second against all then advise.
Midfielder2008-04-16 11:10:53

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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The A League has been at pains to completely distance itself from it's predecessor and the racial trouble it caused. This is resulting in a resurgence that is sky rocketing. I hope that Melbourne don't get that second team as former racial differences will only get a grip again. Lonegunmen2008-04-16 12:02:17
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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It's also completely alienating the entire football base, though. There is going to be a time where old soccer and new football are going to need to meet half way, or the game will falter.

a.haak

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Lonegunmen wrote:
The A League has been at pains to completely distance itself from it's predecessor and the racial trouble it caused. This is resulting in a resurgence that is sky rocketing. I hope that Melbourne don't get that second team as former racial differences will only get a grip again.


I agree LG. Look in Sydney, where you had massive racia/ethnicl tension at the games. The reason why they said 1 team 1 town was because of that. Rather than support a team on racial/ethnic divides, they have no choice but to just support the 1 team and thus remove the bull sh*t.

If they start putting 2 teams in 1 town, regardless of population, you are only going backwards and based on how the old NSL went, thats not a good idea in my opinion...
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Agent 47
 
Football has moved on a long way from old soccer NSL days,................part of the reason for the ethnic divide was teams were called after nations not regions.
 
Sydney has almost 5 million people Melbourne close to 4, think about what you are saying you cannot have such large population bases with only one team each.
 
Trust the FFA ;In Ben Buckley they have a very smart CEO .......... and in Frank Lowy a never I think to be repeated business brian.
 
Agent, 4.5 years ago football was a basket case, .............. mate .......... it is hard to imagine how bad it was, ............. laughing stock, bad joke all this amd more.
 
Look were we are today millions coming in from the state and federal governmements, youth leagues, womens leagues, all governments behind WC bid, new stadiums being build in VIc & WA. Talked of new stadium in SA.
 
Now 100 million dollar plus contracts annual FTA fees being openly talked about add to that figure pay, revenue from NZ & PNG  ............... in under 8 years .............. me I say go get em Frank
 
I have waited over 50 years foe days like today ............. and the Nix will be a big part of it, with this kinda of money maybe the Nix's wiil be the biggest revenue club in NZ 

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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I think this was a great article that Mike Cockerill wrote about the old NSL days and the platform it has set up for the new A-League. Well worth a read if you have a spare few minutes up your seleeve. I think he has hit the nail on the head.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/football/ffa-must-act-to-avoid-rugbys-ills/2008/04/14/1208025091340.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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valeo wrote:
It's also completely alienating the entire football base, though. There is going to be a time where old soccer and new football are going to need to meet half way, or the game will falter.
 
I think they have already started to address this situation with the planned FA Cup style competition.
 
As far as I can see from here they seem to be doing a superb job.
 
And I wouldn't be surprised in a few more years that a second team from Melbourne or Sydney are allowed into the A-League. There is just too much revenue to be had from such large population bases.



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If and I reckin when melbourne and sydney get two teams, pehaps at that stage NZ might be able to pull together 2 as well.....

Queenslander 3x a year.

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Wibblebutt wrote:
valeo wrote:
It's also completely alienating the entire football base, though. There is going to be a time where old soccer and new football are going to need to meet half way, or the game will falter.
 
I think they have already started to address this situation with the planned FA Cup style competition.
 


If they don't hurry up with it the South Melbourne's, Sydney Olympic's etc. will be dead and buried by then. Though I think that is what they are waiting for.

The longer they hold off on including them in some way the more spite there is towards the A-League in general.
valeo2008-04-17 10:25:37

a.haak

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returning  to the funding thing and the relative commercial 'pull' of football and other sports I found this little piece of news from the Guardian website interesting
 
Visa drops World Cup sponsorship
 
LONDON, April 16 (Reuters) - The World Cup has lost Visa as one of its longest-standing main sponsors, a source close to the deal told Reuters on Wednesday.
 
"The International Rugby Board (IRB) were informed last night," the source said. "Visa has had a good relationship with the competition but now wants to concentrate on other big events."
 
The company has backed the last four World Cups dating back to the 1995 edition in South Africa.
It is also a major sponsor of the soccer World Cup and the winter and summer Olympics and those deals would continue, the source said.
 
No figure for the value of the rugby sponsorship was available but the source said it "ran into multi-millions of dollars".
 
An IRB spokesman said he had not been informed of the decision.
"The first meeting of the IRB discussing the next World Cup (in New Zealand in 2011) will be held on the 29th of this month," he said.
(Writing by Jon Bramley, Editing by Tony Jimenez)
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Midfielder if the FFA etc can keep a firm grip on Mebourne and Sydney and their ethnic ideals, then sure allow them to have two teams. But if the serbs V Croats etc start up again, then serious action will be required. Something I found disturbing was the "show" at the Australian Tennis Open this year.
 
I am concerned that all the excellent work done with this A League could be undone. But like you and everyone else, I hope it doesn't revert to that path of the past but grows in strength and makes the A League even better.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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Lonegunman

 

Frank Lowy would rather eat his own vomit than allow the ethnic fringe back again. 

 
Also without in any way trying to defend the indefensible, whatever  trouble there was in old soccer  was the only time it ever made the media ����. Good news stories were rare. 
 

But you make a very valid point and one I am sure FFA are aware of it. I see the biggest problem is hanging on until 2012 as to be ready for the new contract Football needs to have in place the 12 team comp, the women�s league, the youth league, WC & AC qualification. Beyond that have performed well in the ACL. Also we need to lift the quality of the A-League as it is not ready for FTA just yet IMO. 

All this growth within budgetary constraints and a salary cap. I see increasing revenue to pay for the above as a key ���.. but am not sure if we can put up match fees in OZ as when basketball raised their prices crowds left ���� so how ���.. where ���� is the extra funding from ? ? ? ! !  

 

We also need to find maybe 150 players of A-league or higher standard 100 for the new teams, plus retirements and losing players overseas from the A-League. I have been to some state matches in OZ and the needed players are not there, maybe you have some young one over there. So the new players will have to come from the youth league and overseas leagues and under salary cap and hopefully no one goes broke.

 
Further as MC said in his smh article on the skills being lost as the old NSL teams are fading, where and how are we going to find the 150 players? The associations are not cashed up enough or skilled enough to undertake these issues but I think those same associations are the answer.

 

It�s all great news ���. Huge growth government money coming from everywhere �.but there is still a lot of work to do yet. As I see it this is football (in OZ & NZ) biggest challenge to hold it together while it waits for the next round of FTA negotiations. This at the same time as introduce new rules for junior training in OZ kicks in, much more work for the associations to do .

 

Just in case anyone at YF does not understand how the associations work in OZ, its like this, local park clubs join together to form district / regional associations, the associations belong to the State leagues, and the FFA sit on top. Including in the mix are state league teams who are a kinda of second division teams outside the associations and what MC article in the smh was talking about. Just to confuse it all some associations do have a state league team under their association name

 

Midfielder2008-04-17 21:10:12

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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Up date on orginal article

VERY INTERESTING SMH TODAY MUST READ FOR ALL.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/football/fox-determined-to-hog-the-ball-despite-nines-millions/2008/04/19/1208025547207.html

Fox determined to hog the ball despite Nine�s millions

Matthew Hall

April 20, 2008

Claims Aussie football�s next TV deal may top $100 million a year are not far-fetched. That figure may even be undervalued when you consider Channel Nine has again been rebuffed in a bid to broadcast A-League matches. Nine had been trying to nail a deal with Fox Sports, the rights holder, that would allow the free-to-air network to show an A-League game live each week next season - but the pay-TV operator has refused to budge, even though Nine is willing to flash cash. Football Federation Australia is caught in midfield, watching the ball sail over its head, waiting for 2013, when the current deal is up.

Midfielder2008-04-20 19:59:34

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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Getting the A-League on free to air would be a huge shot in the arm for football. Free to Air is really how you build up support.I wonder if the FFA regret giving Fox the deal until 2013...looks like Fox got itself a bargain.
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Ronaldunno wrote:
Getting the A-League on free to air would be a huge shot in the arm for football. Free to Air is really how you build up support.I wonder if the FFA regret giving Fox the deal until 2013...looks like Fox got itself a bargain.


Fox got a bargain & FFA got a home grown comp.

"Sharing rewards the weak"- Steven Colbert

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Re the article about the 100 million dollar per year deal �. Harold Mitchell was interviewed on 2KY Football Fever program (podcasted on http://www.2ky.com.au/media/podcasts...iles.php?pid=7 and begins at about the  24:00 into program). Have a listen it�s the one on Sunday 20 04 08

He is an interesting guy to listen to.

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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