Nelsen should win it, by Drysdale will.
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Good work again Sam (play it again!)
Paston in well before Fallon.
Would like to see Ricki get the coach gong and hopefully AWs the team award.
But can't see how there has been any individual football player who has stood out so much to deserve nomination ..................
Paston in well before Fallon.
Would like to see Ricki get the coach gong and hopefully AWs the team award.
But can't see how there has been any individual football player who has stood out so much to deserve nomination ..................
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Jag2009-12-23 12:42:15Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
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As soon as i saw that i thought 'oh no'. Sam is right, by the panel nominating Fallon it belittles the sport and shows the panel have no idea. One goal doesn't make a Sportsman of the Year.
Interesting to get someone like Telfer's take on it, he is on the panel.
Interesting to get someone like Telfer's take on it, he is on the panel.
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Smeltz and Paston over Fallon? Really? When, exactly, did the A-League become the equal of League 1 - forget the Championship for now, just explain to me when it became clear that Australasian football was up to the third-flight in England.
This stinks of the typical parochial NZ attitude. "He's doing well here in our back yard, he must be bloody good."
Frankly, you all need to get real. The Championship is miles ahead of the A-League. And if Plymouth Argyle stay up, it'll be in no small part due to Fallon's efforts. He might not be Nelsen, but he's a serious athlete with accomplishments worthy of recognition.
This stinks of the typical parochial NZ attitude. "He's doing well here in our back yard, he must be bloody good."
Frankly, you all need to get real. The Championship is miles ahead of the A-League. And if Plymouth Argyle stay up, it'll be in no small part due to Fallon's efforts. He might not be Nelsen, but he's a serious athlete with accomplishments worthy of recognition.
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Stripes,clearly the nominations were based on the AWs win..nothing else. SO the fact Fallon plays in the championship is irrelevent
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Ok Stripes, you make a defence for Rory's amazing championship form then. You're just being contrary for the sake of it, stop being ridiculous
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JD, you're just flaming me for the sake of it, stop being a twit.
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JD, you're just flaming me for the sake of it, stop being a twit.
No you're a twit. What has Fallon done this season that is so different to any other then? If this nomination stems from his championship form like you claim. It is all the header and you know it. Smeltz carves up the A-league and is Oceania player of the year. He is the more obvious choice for me.
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Chocnut, I'm tempted to just cop out and only respond to the ad hominem, but in your post it looks like an incidental addition to a substantial argument.
That said, Fallon was not eligible for nomination in prior years, as he did not play for a New Zealand national or New Zealand based team. So the "he hasn't been much better" argument doesn't hold weight.
Smeltz does, as you say, carve up the A-League, but it's a poor competition with poor defenders - not even as good as League 1 in England. So how do you compare his performances with Fallon's?
That said, Fallon was not eligible for nomination in prior years, as he did not play for a New Zealand national or New Zealand based team. So the "he hasn't been much better" argument doesn't hold weight.
Smeltz does, as you say, carve up the A-League, but it's a poor competition with poor defenders - not even as good as League 1 in England. So how do you compare his performances with Fallon's?
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Chocnut, I'm tempted to just cop out and only respond to the ad hominem, but in your post it looks like an incidental addition to a substantial argument.
No it isn't.
(5 pound argument for 15 minutes)
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Ok STripes, now you're just being ridiculous. If his club form was a contributing factor then why has Nelsen never been nominated before?
There is absolutely nothing in his performances for Plymouth that marks him out as one of New Zealand's sportsmen of the year, other than the fact that he's picked fairly regularly. What is his highlight of the season with Plymouth, what has he achieved there that would make a judge look up and take notice? It's all Bahrain and you know it so stop being childish.
Whether Smeltz is or isn't deserving is a completely different argument, but saying that Rory deserves a nomination based on his Plymouth form is just you being contrary for the sake of it and trying to provoke an argument (which you do regularly).
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Ok STripes, now you're just being ridiculous. If his club form was a contributing factor then why has Nelsen never been nominated before?
There is absolutely nothing in his performances for Plymouth that marks him out as one of New Zealand's sportsmen of the year, other than the fact that he's picked fairly regularly. What is his highlight of the season with Plymouth, what has he achieved there that would make a judge look up and take notice? It's all Bahrain and you know it so stop being childish.
Whether Smeltz is or isn't deserving is a completely different argument, but saying that Rory deserves a nomination based on his Plymouth form is just you being contrary for the sake of it and trying to provoke an argument (which you do regularly).
Actually, that's just you putting words in my mouth. Hypocrite.
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Smeltz and Paston over Fallon? Really?
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And if Plymouth Argyle stay up, it'll be in no small part due to Fallon's efforts. He might not be Nelsen, but he's a serious athlete with accomplishments worthy of recognition.
And if Plymouth Argyle stay up, it'll be in no small part due to Fallon's efforts. He might not be Nelsen, but he's a serious athlete with accomplishments worthy of recognition.
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Alright. I see the ambiguity and apologise for not being more clear. The recognition I'm referring to is that people ought not to put Smeltz and Paston (who do, after all, play in a poor league) over Fallon.
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Ok fair enough
I would still put Smeltz above him as I still think that being golden boot and player of the year in a poorer league is still better than just turning up in a better one (no argument that Champo and League 1 are better leagues), but that's a long standing difficulty with the Halberg's, and more a matter of opinion, just what are they actually for?
It's the old, win the world champs in some minority sport or say do a Nelsen where just to be where he is is absolutely amazing. Hard to say what is right, but my problem is no-one seems to know including the judges
Anyway, personally I think Vettori should win
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Agree on Vettori - and not just because my mum rates him. 
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It seems to be for outstanding achievment during the year. But then that goes out the window with the rowing winning every year and getting nominated. Though they seem to rate sports like that highly enough to be able to call it an outstanding achievment (winning a world champs,doesnt get much better).
Anyhow,based on that criteria its hard to see how fallon got there,his plymouth form clearly doesnt count,it wasnt anything outstanding in his season that would make him stand out. I think its hard to have someone nominated from a team sport based on this criteria,so they would have to have done something extraordinary,like smeltz getting golden boot and being in the WC qualifying side. Or i think Fallon got in for scoring the goal that got us there,an outstanding achievment,but could just as easily have gone to paston.
I think its more of a middle ground between you two. They nominated him,because of the fact its hard to pinpoint someone from a team who has been outstanding,and so logically the guy who scored the goal got it. So hes basically nominated as an honour for his individual goal being the reason we're at the WC (without fallon and his goal...no WC),but without any serious chance of winning it. Had Smeltz scored the winning goal,that coupled with his golden boot etc would give him a nomination and a genuine chance at winning it (though he probably wouldnt).
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I don't know if that is between JD and me, though I've been unclear.
My view is that:
1. Nelsen deserved the nomination, and, with a slightly weaker field, the award. (Everyone probably thinks this.)
2. Fallon was a better candidate than Smeltz or Paston. (This is controversial.)
3. Nominating Fallon was not, as HoG put it, "silly" or "wrong" nor does it belittle other NZ footballers.
4. Fallon's nomination should probably be written up as one of those slightly rash things that happens while intoxicated. Up there with drunkenly kissing a friend - not necessarily wrong, but certainly needed more thought.
My view is that:
1. Nelsen deserved the nomination, and, with a slightly weaker field, the award. (Everyone probably thinks this.)
2. Fallon was a better candidate than Smeltz or Paston. (This is controversial.)
3. Nominating Fallon was not, as HoG put it, "silly" or "wrong" nor does it belittle other NZ footballers.
4. Fallon's nomination should probably be written up as one of those slightly rash things that happens while intoxicated. Up there with drunkenly kissing a friend - not necessarily wrong, but certainly needed more thought.
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What has Nelsen done thats so outstanding? At least fallon scored the goal that got us there. Nelsen captained the team...but id rate a winning goal over that when deciding for an award. Im not necessarily saying he didnt deserve the nomination over Fallon,just the fact you say he deserves the award is a bit odd...I dont see any reason why he should?
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Nelsen captains a team in the most popular sporting league in the world (not going to get into the argument over which league is best so popular will do). This is an amazing acheivement, and should have been recognised earlier by the Halbergs.
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Yes earlier,but not this year. If he won it for that,then he'd win it every year. It has to be a personal outstanding achievement. If he'd won the premiership,or had some sort of outstanding year personally then he'd definetly get it.
Fallons nomination was a recognition of the AWs qualifying,nothing more. Its a bit silly as its an individual award,but we've waited forever for football to be recognised in such a way,and when it happens what do we do? Complain that its stupid.
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Smeltz does, as you say, carve up the A-League, but it's a poor competition with poor defenders - not even as good as League 1 in England. So how do you compare his performances with Fallon's?
The A-League is easily equal to bottom-mid League 1. Players who have played in both leagues say that it's comparable to the bottom half of the championship/top half of league one but the biggest difference is the gulf in quality between the good players (e.g. Ifill, Hernandez) and the crap ones (e.g. Kohler, Fitzsimmons)
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Hand of God Adopts Seatoun for the 2010 club season, a club once might, now playing in Wellington's 5th tier of club football - http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/blogs/hand-of-god/3209860/Seatoun-AFC-Once-mighty-still-proud
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I have some fond??? memories of playing againstt seatoun in the early - mid 90's in a howling Southerly with the goalkeeps barely able to clear the18 yard box, with Horizontal rain mixed with a dose of Hypothermia, followed by Stone cold showers!
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From your blog Sam:
"I learned that Seatoun had working floodlights as early as the late 1930s (Waterside-Karori is almost there)"
You missed the follow-up: "Waterside-Karori had working floodlights as early as 2008"
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Why we should be taking a keener interest in the increasingly All White inhabited Championship
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From your blog Sam:
"I learned that Seatoun had working floodlights as early as the late 1930s (Waterside-Karori is almost there)"
You missed the follow-up: "Waterside-Karori had working floodlights as early as 2008"
yeah you get a banstick for that Buckle. We have new full field lights so bad attempted joke on your own club. I'm changing honours board criteria to 110 game now.
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Another interesting read - probably more about you than the Championship or the AWs playing there (breakfast has always been over-rated I say).
If you had been the owner of a club editiion of Subbuteo you'd know very well two teams: Ipswich and Charlton Athletic (the two team colours that came in the set).
For some reason I also had QPR ... something to do with the creator of the game. (LG had a good thread on this a while back).
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QPR was the first team i decided to dislike - being spurs opposition in the '82 FA Cup final.
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I've forgiven QPR! (we beat them and the year didn't even end in 1)
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cant say the hatred still burns ferociously
re charlton, i was fond of them under Curbishley - bc he did so well with such comparatively limited $. but before that didnt know much about them
I was a table soccer player, Subbuteo overrated
Marius Lacatus2010-01-08 12:45:39
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I was a table soccer player, Subbuteo overrated
Oh Sam!
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I've been to QPR a few times this season with a mate who has adopted them - it's always a good laugh. I like the fact that no-one in the crowd is there for a day out or for the "experience" of being at a premier league game. They're there to watch their team and if they're not performing they let them know about it. I watched them get beat 5-1 by boro a couple of months back and loads of people left after the third goal went in after about 65 minutes
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The Championship is no more exciting than the Premiership this season. For starters the Premiership has a higher goals per game average than the Championship by about 0.3 and much like the Premiership only three teams are in with a chance of winning the Championship this season.
The Championship myth has been exposed this season.
The Championship myth has been exposed this season.
Three for me, and two for them.
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That's because we started badly... it will be better now.
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As dastardly as the AFC's plans may be, with a bit of Dadi and Ifill, the fans would stil turn out for a Kiwi light Phoenix reckons Hand of God
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/blogs/hand-of-god/3218869/Phoenix-Could-Survive-AFC-Kiwi-Cull
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Nope, even reading it gets me angry. Struggle is an understatement.
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cmon news, you used to drive to auckland to watch the knights! interesting to see how blasphemous or otherwise the blog is received.
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