Laws and Young - Now with HoG response
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twats. First of all since you write for the same paper - how about you dont write the same opinion piece on the same day. Second, Laws you need to grwo some son, or borrow some of your testoteroned mrs (I actually didn't mind you until reading todays article).
Who are the people you keep saying are forecasting the death of rugby in this country? Its yourselves, or perhaps Billy Harris who writes for your own paper. By the way your papers football coverage has always been sht.
If you are goning to make a big deal about the population of Oceania and Bahrain -how about you look at the Asian countries who did not qualify for the World Cup - or do you not realise we are at least the fifth best team in Asia/Oceania.
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Country
Population
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Asia
3,776,000,000
1
People's Republic of China separate statistics for Hong Kong, Macau, Taiwan
1,322,597,000
2
India
1,131,043,000
3
Indonesia
231,627,000
4
Pakistan
161,998,000
5
Bangladesh
158,665,000
6
Japan
127,718,000
7
Philippines
88,706,300
8
Vietnam
87,375,000
9
Iran
71,208,000
10
Thailand
62,828,706
11
Myanmar
48,798,000
12
South Korea
48,512,000
13
Iraq
28,993,000
14
Nepal
28,196,000
15
Malaysia
27,544,000
16
Uzbekistan
27,372,000
17
Afghanistan
27,145,000
18
Saudi Arabia
24,735,000
19
North Korea
23,790,000
20
Republic of China (Taiwan)
22,935,000
21
Yemen
20,727,063
22
Syria
19,929,000
23
Sri Lanka
19,299,000
Marius Lacatus2009-11-23 11:17:17 People's Republic of China separate statistics for Hong Kong, Macau, Taiwan
1,322,597,000
2
India
1,131,043,000
3
Indonesia
231,627,000
4
Pakistan
161,998,000
5
Bangladesh
158,665,000
6
Japan
127,718,000
7
Philippines
88,706,300
8
Vietnam
87,375,000
9
Iran
71,208,000
10
Thailand
62,828,706
11
Myanmar
48,798,000
12
South Korea
48,512,000
13
Iraq
28,993,000
14
Nepal
28,196,000
15
Malaysia
27,544,000
16
Uzbekistan
27,372,000
17
Afghanistan
27,145,000
18
Saudi Arabia
24,735,000
19
North Korea
23,790,000
20
Republic of China (Taiwan)
22,935,000
21
Yemen
20,727,063
22
Syria
19,929,000
23
Sri Lanka
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To be fair, there's been a fair few knob-ends in this very forum going on about this "death of rugby" bullsh*t.
I thought they were three good pieces actually, if you also count the interview with Glading and Van Hattum.
Michael Laws is Michael Laws. He's made a career out of being controversial and I expect nothing less. He makes a couple of good points though. Some of the reaction to the All Whites win has been a bit hysterical but Laws certainly doesn't know how to find the middle ground either!
Eric Young makes much the same points in a more considered way.
Van Hattum sums it up best when he says "It's not a pissing contest. Will we ever take rugby off its perch? No, we won't".
He's right, of course, but as long as some football fans in this country insist on defining our success by comparing and contrasting it to the fortunes of rugby then we just continue to marginalise ourselves as the poor cousin. It's embarassing really, we just just enjoy our success for what it is and worry about our position in the world of football.
We don't need to over-take rugby, we just need to take advantage of some of the opportunities out there and make a better foothold for football in this country. I just think it's great for New Zealand that we now have two major World Cups to look forward to over the next two years. From a commercial point of view that's a huge pie with lots of opportunity. Let's hope football gets our fair share.
I thought they were three good pieces actually, if you also count the interview with Glading and Van Hattum.
Michael Laws is Michael Laws. He's made a career out of being controversial and I expect nothing less. He makes a couple of good points though. Some of the reaction to the All Whites win has been a bit hysterical but Laws certainly doesn't know how to find the middle ground either!
Eric Young makes much the same points in a more considered way.
Van Hattum sums it up best when he says "It's not a pissing contest. Will we ever take rugby off its perch? No, we won't".
He's right, of course, but as long as some football fans in this country insist on defining our success by comparing and contrasting it to the fortunes of rugby then we just continue to marginalise ourselves as the poor cousin. It's embarassing really, we just just enjoy our success for what it is and worry about our position in the world of football.
We don't need to over-take rugby, we just need to take advantage of some of the opportunities out there and make a better foothold for football in this country. I just think it's great for New Zealand that we now have two major World Cups to look forward to over the next two years. From a commercial point of view that's a huge pie with lots of opportunity. Let's hope football gets our fair share.
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Yeah well said. Except i disagree with the fact there are rugby bashers. From what ive seen on this forum,people are tired of the saturation of rugby in the media and want a fair share,thats kinda of different to wanting to take rugby down. Those are probably limited to about one or two people,which is a HUGE minority,if you can even call it that.
Its a big media beat up,they find one person (and a "rugby convert" that theyd obviously cooked up before the game),those TWO people say one thing about rugby,then they ride this angle from that point on. Its rubbish,but also very clever...
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Very ironic that Eric Young (we can disregard the right honourable Mayor his worship of Whanganui) goes off on his moaning minnies angle and let's bash rugby and then there is the interview with FVH and Glading.
Since when does a hack hitch his or her wagon to a sporting cause on the vox pop commentaries or indeed that of an Ex-AW?
Sounds like a convenient excuse to grandstand.
As for the recycled law-ism about it being in the DNA - you can take your DNA and splice it into a toad as far as I'm concerned Mr very-insecure-Young. There is room enough in this small country for a range of sports fortunately, and the day rugby is forced into my DNA is when we become Ockers or go to some other place that does not feel like it needs to jump on the bashing machine when a major sporting accomplishment is made by a code that isn't in the old boys' club.
Sorry that might be a bit too wordy for his sort: Mr Young f@ck off. Junior822009-11-22 16:52:19
Since when does a hack hitch his or her wagon to a sporting cause on the vox pop commentaries or indeed that of an Ex-AW?
Sounds like a convenient excuse to grandstand.
As for the recycled law-ism about it being in the DNA - you can take your DNA and splice it into a toad as far as I'm concerned Mr very-insecure-Young. There is room enough in this small country for a range of sports fortunately, and the day rugby is forced into my DNA is when we become Ockers or go to some other place that does not feel like it needs to jump on the bashing machine when a major sporting accomplishment is made by a code that isn't in the old boys' club.
Sorry that might be a bit too wordy for his sort: Mr Young f@ck off. Junior822009-11-22 16:52:19
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At least Laws has some kind of credibility, but Eric Young reads an auto-cue for gods sake and the Star-Times see fit to give him his own page....
That page was considerably better when it beonged to Devlin.
I've said it before on this forum, Eric Young is a wanna-be twat.
Dougie Rydal2009-11-22 15:19:54
That page was considerably better when it beonged to Devlin.
I've said it before on this forum, Eric Young is a wanna-be twat.
Dougie Rydal2009-11-22 15:19:54
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Nah. Sorry, disagree. Laws has no credibility. He just likes to throw in a big word every now and then so people think he is making an argument.
Too much HYPERBOLE!
Junior822009-11-22 19:16:59
Too much HYPERBOLE!
Junior822009-11-22 19:16:59
"Phoenix till they lose"
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By credibility i guess i meant he is a Mayor, has been an MP etc...
Eric Young on the other hand...
Eric Young on the other hand...
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To be fair, there's been a fair few knob-ends in this very forum going on about this "death of rugby" bullsh*t.
I thought they were three good pieces actually, if you also count the interview with Glading and Van Hattum.
Michael Laws is Michael Laws. He's made a career out of being controversial and I expect nothing less. He makes a couple of good points though. Some of the reaction to the All Whites win has been a bit hysterical but Laws certainly doesn't know how to find the middle ground either!
Eric Young makes much the same points in a more considered way.
Van Hattum sums it up best when he says "It's not a pissing contest. Will we ever take rugby off its perch? No, we won't".
He's right, of course, but as long as some football fans in this country insist on defining our success by comparing and contrasting it to the fortunes of rugby then we just continue to marginalise ourselves as the poor cousin. It's embarassing really, we just just enjoy our success for what it is and worry about our position in the world of football.
We don't need to over-take rugby, we just need to take advantage of some of the opportunities out there and make a better foothold for football in this country. I just think it's great for New Zealand that we now have two major World Cups to look forward to over the next two years. From a commercial point of view that's a huge pie with lots of opportunity. Let's hope football gets our fair share.
I thought they were three good pieces actually, if you also count the interview with Glading and Van Hattum.
Michael Laws is Michael Laws. He's made a career out of being controversial and I expect nothing less. He makes a couple of good points though. Some of the reaction to the All Whites win has been a bit hysterical but Laws certainly doesn't know how to find the middle ground either!
Eric Young makes much the same points in a more considered way.
Van Hattum sums it up best when he says "It's not a pissing contest. Will we ever take rugby off its perch? No, we won't".
He's right, of course, but as long as some football fans in this country insist on defining our success by comparing and contrasting it to the fortunes of rugby then we just continue to marginalise ourselves as the poor cousin. It's embarassing really, we just just enjoy our success for what it is and worry about our position in the world of football.
We don't need to over-take rugby, we just need to take advantage of some of the opportunities out there and make a better foothold for football in this country. I just think it's great for New Zealand that we now have two major World Cups to look forward to over the next two years. From a commercial point of view that's a huge pie with lots of opportunity. Let's hope football gets our fair share.
so people on a football forum cant do rugby bashing, but journalists in a national publication can do football bashing? righty-ho
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To be honest I find "Rugby bashing" rather petty, much like I do the bashing of any other sport.
Eric Youngs rant was fair enough in my opinion, well most of it anyway. Michael Laws speaks sh*t though.
On a side note saying "all young has done is speak from an autocue" is absolute sh*t. How do you think he got that position?
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By credibility i guess i meant he is a Mayor, has been an MP etc...Eric Young on the other hand...
Just like John Banks.
I rest my case m'lud. No further questions.
"Phoenix till they lose"
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On a side note saying "all young has done is speak from an autocue" is absolute sh*t. How do you think he got that position?
Slept with the editor?
"Phoenix till they lose"
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At least Laws has some kind of credibility, but Eric Young reads an auto-cue for gods sake and the Star-Times see fit to give him his own page....
That page was considerably better when it beonged to Devlin.
I've said it before on this forum, Eric Young is a wanna-be twat.
That page was considerably better when it beonged to Devlin.
I've said it before on this forum, Eric Young is a wanna-be twat.
I don't think i've ever agreed with a spud so much in my life.
Except for the Laws comment. He has ZERO credibility, and has proven this time and time again.
Three for me, and two for them.
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Yeah well said. Except i disagree with the fact there are rugby bashers. From what ive seen on this forum,people are tired of the saturation of rugby in the media and want a fair share,
this for me, I'm happy with Rugby being the national sport and getting the majority of attention etc, because as much as I hate the sport itself NZ is quite good at it, and it's precious to us. The problem is, of course, that it has become a little too precious, and although recently it has been great, there is definately not a fair share of coverage for football, and hopefully that can now begin to change and we'll see a bit more harmony. Not just between Rugby and Football, but all sports, because I can imagine there are fans of Basketball, Netball, tennis... whatever.. who are pissed off with lacklustre coverage and rugby domination.You know we belong together...
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Shouldn't have linked to those stories Greene. Now people will actually read them.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Lads, I have cracked and lashed out - http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/blogs/hand-of-god/3088336/Football-vs-rugby-its-media-drivel
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Good reply Sam. 
It just might be too rationale and reasoned to change anyone's prejudices!
"Phoenix till they lose"
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On a side note saying "all young has done is speak from an autocue" is absolute sh*t. How do you think he got that position?
He looks pretty and can speak well? They seem to the the prerequisite for most news readers job, both male and female... a few exceptions sure...
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Hey moron: you can't handle the truth! Dickhead.
From Laws to myself. Mainly cause I told him to keep himself to his small town of Wanganui cause everyone thinks he's a joke.
From Laws to myself. Mainly cause I told him to keep himself to his small town of Wanganui cause everyone thinks he's a joke.
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Seriously, unless you have an urge to have mindless insults thrown at you by one of our nations least-revered people he is best ignored.
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Yeah I knew what was coming, but still felt good to get it off me chest.
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I think this is more than a storm in a teacup.
Globally, nobody is in any doubt about which code is the biggest. The great leagues of world football have a fantastic product and are looking to market it in every corner of the globe. Rugby simply can't compete, and will struggle to be anything more than a niche product.
The question, then, is whether NZ is in a "Rugby niche". I think not: Rugby's strength in NZ rests purely on the accumulated wealth of its institutions. At the grass roots, to put things plainly, most kids find that there isn't enough grass for the game.
Globally, nobody is in any doubt about which code is the biggest. The great leagues of world football have a fantastic product and are looking to market it in every corner of the globe. Rugby simply can't compete, and will struggle to be anything more than a niche product.
The question, then, is whether NZ is in a "Rugby niche". I think not: Rugby's strength in NZ rests purely on the accumulated wealth of its institutions. At the grass roots, to put things plainly, most kids find that there isn't enough grass for the game.
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Need more artificial turf!
"Phoenix till they lose"
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http://www.3news.co.nz/MICHAEL-LAWS-FOOTBALL-GENIUS-YEAH-RIGHT/tabid/840/articleID/131002/cat/924/Default.aspx
Michael has also inspired anti-feeling within the 3news football dept Gourdietv32009-11-24 10:01:40
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http://www.3news.co.nz/MICHAEL-LAWS-FOOTBALL-GENIUS-YEAH-RIGHT/tabid/840/articleID/131002/cat/924/Default.aspx
Michael has also inspired anti-feeling at 3news
Reads like an anti-football piece to me. This:
"I'll happily admit I agree with some of the comments in this column. New Zealand sports fans ARE fickle, and football will NEVER knock rugby off its perch."
suggests that the writer can be filed along with those who argued with critics of the Wright brothers that, while Orville and Wilbur will NEVER achieve powered flight, they are good bicycle makers.
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No, I agree with Andrew - its not anti football at all.
ok its possible one day football could knock rugby off its perch but thats hard to imagine and decades down the track if a possibility at all
the link was broken though - this works ... http://www.3news.co.nz/MICHAEL-LAWS-FOOTBALL-GENIUS-YEAH-RIGHT/tabid/840/articleID/131002/cat/969/Default.aspx
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Nice blog that.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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http://www.3news.co.nz/MICHAEL-LAWS-FOOTBALL-GENIUS-YEAH-RIGHT/tabid/840/articleID/131002/cat/924/Default.aspx
Michael has also inspired anti-feeling at 3news
Reads like an anti-football piece to me. This:
"I'll happily admit I agree with some of the comments in this column. New Zealand sports fans ARE fickle, and football will NEVER knock rugby off its perch."
suggests that the writer can be filed along with those who argued with critics of the Wright brothers that, while Orville and Wilbur will NEVER achieve powered flight, they are good bicycle makers.
Guys I love football as much as anyone here, but the fact is Rugby is sewn into New Zealand culture.
England WON the rugby world cup in 2003, but do you think rugby will ever knock football off its perch in the UK? No chance.
You can apply the same theory in reverse here.
I would just like to see New Zealand Football earn some respect on the world stage, and regularly have an All Whites team we can be proud of.
Gourdietv32009-11-24 10:14:08
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Yeah and I think the normals on here (if there are any) would just like to see the majority of the media give football respect most of the time.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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I would just like to see New Zealand Football earn some respect on the world stage, and regularly have an All Whites team we can be proud of.
Here f**king here.
Three for me, and two for them.
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haha
Michael, stick to commenting on things you know about - like gang patches and the letter H.
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Michael, stick to commenting on things you know about - like gang patches and the letter H.
Instant classic from Gourdie.
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TBH Gourdie, I'm not sure he know f**k all about the letter H.
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TBH Gourdie, I'm not sure he know f**k all about the letter H.
I thought the same.
Well said Gourdie.
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http://www.3news.co.nz/MICHAEL-LAWS-FOOTBALL-GENIUS-YEAH-RIGHT/tabid/840/articleID/131002/cat/924/Default.aspx
Michael has also inspired anti-feeling at 3news
Reads like an anti-football piece to me. This:
"I'll happily admit I agree with some of the comments in this column. New Zealand sports fans ARE fickle, and football will NEVER knock rugby off its perch."
suggests that the writer can be filed along with those who argued with critics of the Wright brothers that, while Orville and Wilbur will NEVER achieve powered flight, they are good bicycle makers.
Guys I love football as much as anyone here, but the fact is Rugby is sewn into New Zealand culture.
England WON the rugby world cup in 2003, but do you think rugby will ever knock football off its perch in the UK? No chance.
You can apply the same theory in reverse here.
I would just like to see New Zealand Football earn some respect on the world stage, and regularly have an All Whites team we can be proud of.
Actually, there isn't a theory to apply. You haven't done anything except present a rather superficial observation and a rhetorical question.
Why is it that football is so strong globally? What made rugby strong in New Zealand? The essential question is location: football breathes in the hot air of the cities and weaves through their streets. Rugby lives off the broad pastures of the countryside.
For those of you that haven't checked since the 1950s, New Zealand is no longer a rural country. The bulk of the population lives in urban centers. Rugby has an historical strength, embodied in the wealth of its institutions. That is a lagging factor, not an iron law.
Football is the future, not because the All Whites qualified for the World Cup, but because it's the top game for the urban youth.
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Oh Gourdie!
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Actually, there isn't a theory to apply. You haven't done anything except present a rather superficial observation and a rhetorical question.
Why is it that football is so strong globally? What made rugby strong in New Zealand? The essential question is location: football breathes in the hot air of the cities and weaves through their streets. Rugby lives off the broad pastures of the countryside.
For those of you that haven't checked since the 1950s, New Zealand is no longer a rural country. The bulk of the population lives in urban centers. Rugby has an historical strength, embodied in the wealth of its institutions. That is a lagging factor, not an iron law.
Football is the future, not because the All Whites qualified for the World Cup, but because it's the top game for the urban youth.
Why is it that football is so strong globally? What made rugby strong in New Zealand? The essential question is location: football breathes in the hot air of the cities and weaves through their streets. Rugby lives off the broad pastures of the countryside.
For those of you that haven't checked since the 1950s, New Zealand is no longer a rural country. The bulk of the population lives in urban centers. Rugby has an historical strength, embodied in the wealth of its institutions. That is a lagging factor, not an iron law.
Football is the future, not because the All Whites qualified for the World Cup, but because it's the top game for the urban youth.
Football breathes in the hot air of the cities and weaves through their streets because all those cites have one, two, three or even more clubs who have supporters who have had that support and passion bred into them over countless generations. In the case of the club I support, over 130 years worth.
What do we have in NZ? The Phoenix. Granted, it's a start and we have to start somewhere.
Football may knock rugby off it's lofty perch in this country one day, I hope it does, but I certainly won't be alive to see it and I doubt that anyone else on this forum will be either. To be honest, does it really matter? The whole pissing contest with rugby is a completely pointless exercise. Why can't we just concentrate on supporting football in NZ, and whatever happens will happen. The constant comparison with rugby is a waste of time.
Gourdie's bang on the money, imo.
Jag2009-11-24 11:00:01Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Actually, there isn't a theory to apply. You haven't done anything except present a rather superficial observation and a rhetorical question.
Why is it that football is so strong globally? What made rugby strong in New Zealand? The essential question is location: football breathes in the hot air of the cities and weaves through their streets. Rugby lives off the broad pastures of the countryside.
For those of you that haven't checked since the 1950s, New Zealand is no longer a rural country. The bulk of the population lives in urban centers. Rugby has an historical strength, embodied in the wealth of its institutions. That is a lagging factor, not an iron law.
Football is the future, not because the All Whites qualified for the World Cup, but because it's the top game for the urban youth.
Why is it that football is so strong globally? What made rugby strong in New Zealand? The essential question is location: football breathes in the hot air of the cities and weaves through their streets. Rugby lives off the broad pastures of the countryside.
For those of you that haven't checked since the 1950s, New Zealand is no longer a rural country. The bulk of the population lives in urban centers. Rugby has an historical strength, embodied in the wealth of its institutions. That is a lagging factor, not an iron law.
Football is the future, not because the All Whites qualified for the World Cup, but because it's the top game for the urban youth.
Football breathes in the hot air of the cities and weaves through their streets because all those cites have one, two, three or even more clubs who have supporters who have had that support and passion bred into them over countless generations. In the case of the club I support, over 130 years worth.
Back to culture explains everything. Here's the standard reply: Why do all those cities have so many clubs? Why have they been supported so passionately and for so long?
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Here's a question for you, bearing in mind that I come from a country where football is far and away the most popular sport.
Instead of trotting out pretentious bollocks about football breathing in hot air and weaving round streets, why don't you explain your vision of how football is suddenly going to explode in this country. How we'll be getting 35,000 at every Nix game and every National League team will be pulling in 10 - 15,000 every week.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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