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Likewise, except for this:
"Maybe they should take a leaf out of the Central Coast Mariners' book. They have at least given Jacobs' team a game on July 15 as part of their A-League preparation."
Phoenix played U23s about two weeks ago.
Maddaford is reaching to try and stir up rumours of a rift between Jacobs and Herbert.
Fact is Smeltz will be #1 striker and Lochhead will be #1 left back. Both with very little cover.
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Am I the only one who thinks that the article is terribly tacky and bias?
And if Elliott and Killen are already going then how could Smeltz and Lochhead both go?
And if Elliott and Killen are already going then how could Smeltz and Lochhead both go?
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Comparing Lochhead and Smeltz to Killen is just stupid. They're both guaranteed starters. Killen will struggle to make the bench. Celtic don't lose much at all by letting him go.
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Where were the tirades when players weren't released by overseas clubs for World Cup Qualifiers and other tournaments/matches with far more significance to NZ football than the olympics? Milky Pisswit2008-06-24 11:39:42
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I tend to agree with him...
Maybe we dont need to release smeltz if killen is going..(no use releasing players if theyre not needed or wont even play). But maybe we should release lochhead if nelsen ends up not being available.
Either way it is a huge PR disaster,and gives the happyted types huge ammunition,and to be honest...itd be hard to argue with them!
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I heard a rumour that Maddaford has the hump with the Phoenix because he wanted more access and was told that wasn't going to happen.
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it is a huge PR disaster,
Why is it?
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Surprised no one has mentioned Deaker last night - along the same lines
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It's a small PR glitch.
I think the Vanuatu game proved that all too many of the Phoenix fan base are club before country, so I don't see it offending anyone going to matches. Let's be honest, the likes of Happy Ted aren't any less likely to go to a Phoenix match.
Incidentally, HT hates Terry Maddaford with a passion as great as his hatred for Waitak. so he won't be gloating until someone else mentions it.
I think the Vanuatu game proved that all too many of the Phoenix fan base are club before country, so I don't see it offending anyone going to matches. Let's be honest, the likes of Happy Ted aren't any less likely to go to a Phoenix match.
Incidentally, HT hates Terry Maddaford with a passion as great as his hatred for Waitak. so he won't be gloating until someone else mentions it.
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Surprised no one has mentioned Deaker last night - along the same lines
No one listens to Deaker...
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Maddaford? I thought it was John Wright for a second.
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i agree with his general theme but some of his points and they way he makes them are poor at best. i can definetly see him trying to stir something up between ricki and stu, especially with his last comment.
but aside from all of that, doesnt elliot going mean that at best only one of them was going anyway.
but aside from all of that, doesnt elliot going mean that at best only one of them was going anyway.
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Some thoughts....
QUOTE: The Phoenix kick off their second A-League season at home on August 17, by which time New Zealand could well be out of the Olympics. Group play in China ends on August 13, which would leave Lochhead and/or Smeltz free to play at Westpac Stadium against Queensland Roar.
Surely there�s more to their availability than simply being able to get back in time?
QUOTE: Such timing did not stop Scottish giants Celtic releasing Killen for the Olympics.
I think we�d all agree that Chris Killen is perhaps slightly less important to Celtic than Smeltz and Lochhead are to the Phoenix?
QUOTE: That the Phoenix are intent on denying two of their players a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to play at this level is hard to fathom.
Smeltz and Lochhead will have the opportunity later this year and next to play World Cup qualifiers � surely making a World Cup Finals is more of a �once-in-a-lifetime� opportunity than competing at an Olympic Games?
In the absence of another top quality striker, do you blame the Phoenix for not wanting to lose Shane Smeltz for any part of the season?
Given the fact that the Phoenix are obligated to release three of their under-23 players (Barbarouses, Draper and Hearfield) do you blame the Phoenix for not releasing any more?
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I mean the media can get onto it and drum up more anti-phoenix people.
You forget how easily influenced 'supporters' are by media..
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LF1,if theyre going to start...then yes.
We do have an obligation in the eyes of most of the public to have the best interests of NZF at heart. While i agree with not releasing smeltz (in the best interests of NZF that he plays for phoenix helping us win,rather than being in beijing not playing at all),but if Nelsen isnt released then lochhead must surely go
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If we finish bottom again this year in the HAL would anyone accept, as a justification, that we released too many players for the Olympics and thus got off to a bad start.
Not likely.
Herbert's job's on the line and, as LPF1 points out, we're already losing 3 to the Games without losing two more certain starters.
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I agree with you Tegal. I've never heard of Maddaford before but I already think he's a tosspot, his points with regards to Killen and the fact that two Phoenix players will miss out are very weak. Angry letters pointing out that 3 Nix players are already going and that only one of the players refused would be able to go?
While pointing out that Lochy should go if Nelsen doesn't of course.
Critical_Lemon2008-06-24 12:14:59
While pointing out that Lochy should go if Nelsen doesn't of course.
Critical_Lemon2008-06-24 12:14:59
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Lemon how can you agree with Tegal (who agrees with Maddaford) but then call Maddaford a tosspot?
Numpty.
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Would we really finish bottom just releasing Lochhead though? Is he THAT influential to our results?
Sure Barbarouses (who wont even start) and Hearfield as well.
I agree the pressure is on to do well this season,but if Nelsen cant play then we really do have an obligation to help the national side out by releasing one more player so they can fill their over 23 players roster.
Heres hoping Nelsen is released to play so it wont matter huh...
EDIT:Smithy,i agree with the general idea of the article..but the way it is written realy is just to stir sh*t (this part i dont agree with...particularly the Herbert vs Jacobs element of it). Releasing Lochhead would stop this sort of bad press,while helping NZF on the whole
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Lemon how can you agree with Tegal (who agrees with Maddaford) but then call Maddaford a tosspot?
Numpty.
He's a tosspot for the way he presented the issue, I agree however that losing one over 23 player won't kill us. Disliking someone does not keep you from agreeing with them on something.
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No worry on Smeltz - the Olywhites already have Killen, and we're already losing Costa and Draper.
I'd have been fine with giving up Lochhead if Nelson doesn't go, even though he is one of the best players, we could survive a game or two without him.
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I think we should not be c**ts and just release the lot of them.
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i agree with the article.
the phoenix have got it wrong this time round.
bobboltontawa22008-06-24 12:53:37
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Surprised no one has mentioned Deaker last night - along the same lines
While I have no doubt that he enjoyed sticking the boot into "soccer" - Murray "not a game [soccer] that I go into covering" Deaker was right on the money. And by the way Deaks - "Lockheed" makes planes - "Lochhead" plays for the Phoenix.
"Shocking" call Phoenix management.
As "soccer people" - basically Deaker's way of calling us sub-human males - we should be horrified.
From horrified soccer person.
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o please deaker can get stuffed, his opinions mean absolutely ZERO when it come sto football, he is after all a rugby nut who professes he loves to talk about every sport EXCEPT football..
and that article just smacks of i'm an idiot who hates the phoenix, where my next rugby article? i read about half and couldnt continue, blatant bias just as most of this countries media are when it comes to football, i can't wait for the day the phoenix are a grand success and all those w**kers in the media get the karma thats coming to them, i dunno whos first in line anymore, Paul Henry or the douche who wrote that artice.
for a start, why does he want killan and smeltz, for a start providing they play 442, does costa get a start then? isnt that the point? lochhead is pretty much indespensible aswell, good on them for keeping him, if he really wants to go then he should be the one saying it to the media
and that article just smacks of i'm an idiot who hates the phoenix, where my next rugby article? i read about half and couldnt continue, blatant bias just as most of this countries media are when it comes to football, i can't wait for the day the phoenix are a grand success and all those w**kers in the media get the karma thats coming to them, i dunno whos first in line anymore, Paul Henry or the douche who wrote that artice.
for a start, why does he want killan and smeltz, for a start providing they play 442, does costa get a start then? isnt that the point? lochhead is pretty much indespensible aswell, good on them for keeping him, if he really wants to go then he should be the one saying it to the media
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Why does he want Killen and Smeltz? Probably to play together I'd imagine.
More chance for Costa if we play a 4-3-3.
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How would you feel if you were an under 23 player who'd played through the qualifiers and than missed "your chance of a lifetime" as you had been replaced by an over-aged player that had already had their opportuntity but never quailfied.
Its not the national team so I dont see why there should be any pressure put on clubs to release over-age players.
A dog with a bone :)
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That's life in the big city.
They all know what the score is going in.
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See my post in All Whites/Oly whites section re/-this. Factually incorrect and slanted and we are already releasing 3 players why should we release more - Maddaford is a twat.
Peoples Republik of Aucklandia
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People like him also conveniently forget the releasing of all white players last season for world cup qualifiers
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would love to know what the players themselves think. 
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
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Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
20/5/20
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why was r herbert allowed to do it last year with all whites and not let olympic team do it this year? its hypocrisy... shows the phoenix dont care about new zealand football anymore they care about themselves (which in some peoples view not mine is fair enough). it also explains why all whites have so little international games this year.
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would love to know what the players themselves think.
If you listen to the sports news on Newstalk ZB Wellington tomorrow morning, there'll be audio from both Smeltz and Lochhead
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why was r herbert allowed to do it last year with all whites and not let olympic team do it this year? its hypocrisy... shows the phoenix dont care about new zealand football anymore they care about themselves (which in some peoples view not mine is fair enough). it also explains why all whites have so little international games this year.
Sorry, you'll need to explain that bit. Why does this have anything to do with how many international games the AW's have?
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What a lot of crap is being talked in here and be messrs Deaker and Maddaford. The olympic football tournament is a second rate u23 world cup or whatever the age limit is. It means absolutely nothing in world football terms and no one gives a stuff. It probably won't even be televised in any depth. Of course Nelson won't be going to the olympics. Frankly they had a bloody cheek asking for two of our best players who aren't strictly eligible anyway. It's a once in a lifetime opportunity to have a party for the players, nothing else. PR disaster? Storm in a teacup. Football and tennis shouldn't even be in the Olympics. Don't those sports have enough big events, exposure and over paid professionals already? Jose's Dog2008-06-24 16:57:36
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Its good exposure for our young players.
If the side does well itll lift the profile of the sport in this country.
So yes,its important..
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why was r herbert allowed to do it last year with all whites and not let olympic team do it this year? its hypocrisy... shows the phoenix dont care about new zealand football anymore they care about themselves (which in some peoples view not mine is fair enough). it also explains why all whites have so little international games this year.
in my opinion the phoenix are probably already bigger than NZF. and in all honesty, why would the phoenix care about NZ football? seriously, have they actually done any good to the game recently, compared to the phoenix?? why is it that the highest participation sport in young NZers has nothing but the phoenix higher up? the phoenix are better to be away from that lot
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