Yours please....
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/7824849/Phoenix-show-theres-hope-for-Kiwi-football-yet
As someone said to me, serial troll. Meh.
...an ill-informed serial troll.
His Reason is to show no reason.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/sport/7734222/Time-for-revolution-in-NZs-tennis-wasteland
I find it laughable how so many kiwis think just because we're no.1 at a global minnow sport like rugby, and that we've also done ok at other minnow sports like cricket, netball, league... that we should also be right up there in more globalised sports like football and tennis. Ya know, just because.
It is a disgrace that we didn't go all the way and come up against Spain in the final,to be honest. We should have wont that too. I mean,Spain,they aren't any good at rugby,how good could they possibly be at soccer?
Without trying to troll the writer may have gone over the top however the premises around which the article is based IMO is very true...
In Australia for the past 7 years we have been constantly reading similar articles from a number of writers and TV folk... to the point were many football folk questioned the 80 % negative technical articles and rather than discuss a game discuss how poor or how well from a technical level a team played..
The reasoning is with good football that is a joy to watch then new people will not come and over time with ugly football you will loose those who are coming... however good technical play will hold and increase crowds...
Some time ago [this year I think but cannot find] I wrote a thread on YF asking whether you would rather win ugly or loose in style... I was almost blasted off the screen . winning is everything no matter how ugly ....
Personally I think that playing style will both win games and get crowds ...
Comments to date seem to see the article as an attack on the Nix's and NZ football .... I don't see it that way I see it like the thousands articles written in Australia over the life of the A-League which broken down to the simple say .... Style will win more games than no style .. and style gets people in...
Chill guys ... also what he said was the Nix are now playing with style.... remember also we had a national coach in Pim who only lost one game in qualifying for the WC and he was the most criticized coach in our history because of the style of play he used....
Without trying to troll the writer may have gone over the top however the premises around which the article is based IMO is very true...
In Australia for the past 7 years we have been constantly reading similar articles from a number of writers and TV folk... to the point were many football folk questioned the 80 % negative technical articles and rather than discuss a game discuss how poor or how well from a technical level a team played..
The reasoning is with good football that is a joy to watch then new people will not come and over time with ugly football you will loose those who are coming... however good technical play will hold and increase crowds...
Some time ago [this year I think but cannot find] I wrote a thread on YF asking whether you would rather win ugly or loose in style... I was almost blasted off the screen . winning is everything no matter how ugly ....
Personally I think that playing style will both win games and get crowds ...
Comments to date seem to see the article as an attack on the Nix's and NZ football .... I don't see it that way I see it like the thousands articles written in Australia over the life of the A-League which broken down to the simple say .... Style will win more games than no style .. and style gets people in...
Chill guys ... also what he said was the Nix are now playing with style.... remember also we had a national coach in Pim who only lost one game in qualifying for the WC and he was the most criticized coach in our history because of the style of play he used....
Except that in the first two seasons the Phoenix style was hugely complemented by analysts and non-agenda ridden supporters everywhere, since then we have had games where we have played Ange's super team off the park we've played such good football.
The trouble is that people like Reason and a number of Australian commentators see one game and tar a coach and team with brush they then whip out and re-use whenever a side or person is discussed when often it's not that clear-cut.
At times the Phoenix have played as good a style of football as any side in the league and you know what impact it's had on crowds? Not the proverbial sausage. Yet when they are on a winning run (see the finals in v5) where good weather, hype about the game, and WINNING dragged in 25 and 30k.
Except that in the first two seasons the Phoenix style was hugely complemented by analysts and non-agenda ridden supporters everywhere, since then we have had games where we have played Ange's super team off the park we've played such good football.
The trouble is that people like Reason and a number of Australian commentators see one game and tar a coach and team with brush they then whip out and re-use whenever a side or person is discussed when often it's not that clear-cut.
At times the Phoenix have played as good a style of football as any side in the league and you know what impact it's had on crowds? Not the proverbial sausage. Yet when they are on a winning run (see the finals in v5) where good weather, hype about the game, and WINNING dragged in 25 and 30k.
...and while I'm at it, I don't believe style has much to do with Aus audiences either. People are raving about the FC vs Jets game at the weekend because of the names and the hype.
There were five goals so Joe-Six Pack related to the high score. The game itself was 'technically' a bit shit but because Heskey and Del Piero scored, it was end to end and their were five goals it was great.
Guarantee people 8 goals and a home win and they won't care if they are scored like Brisbane's larry long ball last week or like Louis Fenton's stunner in the opening week.
Roar didn't exactly break the crowd records with its attractive tiki taka style did it?
With constructive criticisim should be suggestions. Or it is just bad taste
MF - I was probably one of those who flamed you re nice footy vs winning ugly.
I still maintain that (here in Wgtn at least) we will only increase crowd attendance if we are winning regularly and challenging for something (play-off spot, toilet seat, special NCEA certificate etc).
And despite how we bemoan how we hoof it to Greenie and watch him chase - more often than not we do play good footy at home - just not elegant pacy triangle passing. Some of us play on the stereotypical hoof ball in our posts, others actually think this is all we do.
... just realised this is very similar to HN's earlier post. So, yeah, wot he said.
With constructive criticisim should be suggestions. Or it is just bad taste
article has no credibility as it claims MUFC win by playing beautiful. Anyone who makes a statement that erroneous cannot be taken seriously.
his article on NZ Tennis seems to miss the player development pathway which looks a lot like NZF's FTC program. Anyone who thinks these set-ups are about kids winning tommorrow proably will never get it, becasue they actually don't want to.
Wasn't a bad piece IMO. Obviously his intention is always to stir a bit - but a lot of it is based on fact. Any praise is pretty rare from this guy so we should take it.
Back to the article as I said badly worded with poor examples but a sober and important message IMO if you take a long term grow the sport view..
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...looks a lot like NZF's FTC program. Anyone who thinks these set-ups are about kids winning tommorrow proably will never get it, becasue they actually don't want to.
Wasn't a bad piece IMO. Obviously his intention is always to stir a bit - but a lot of it is based on fact. Any praise is pretty rare from this guy so we should take it.
Wasn't a bad piece IMO. Obviously his intention is always to stir a bit - but a lot of it is based on fact. Any praise is pretty rare from this guy so we should take it.
don't bother with this guy - a waste of all of your time
don't bother with this guy - a waste of all of your time
Agree with this. I groan every time I click on an article and see "Mark Reason" at the top.
"Mark emigrated to New Zealand in 2010 having spent over 20 years covering sport for the Telegraph and Sunday Times in Britain."
Which goes to prove why he actually is talking out of his @rse when making up what he likes about the early days of the Phoenix. Bet he hadn't even watched a Phoenix game pre-2010.
Wasn't a bad piece IMO. Obviously his intention is always to stir a bit - but a lot of it is based on fact. Any praise is pretty rare from this guy so we should take it.
The Mark Reason article, this week, Message to Ricki: We want to be entertained drew plenty of criticism. I thought it was dreadful. I listened to Reason today on RNZ and he seemed sane enough. That left me wondering why he put his name to such, in my opinion, a poor bit of writing....
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/2542370/mark-reason-rugby-roundup.asx
Mark Reason has been a sports journalist for 25 years. He writes for Fairfax Media and is a highly-respected commentator on rugby, the game, and the issues that surround it. (18?12?)He really has lost the plot this week.
I lost the will to live after reading about a third of it!
I'm ashamed at you all for taking a crack at Mark. Take ownership of your opinions guys. Mark could well be really hurting hearing that this is what people think of his columns.
(My bad to anyone that feels it is directed at them. Don't blame me for generalising.)
Integrity, trust, honesty and accountability.
Yeh, with those the Nix can beat Barca, cos that's kinda what the Black Caps v South Africa is, in tests at any rate.
I'm ashamed at you all for taking a crack at Mark. Take ownership of your opinions guys. Mark could well be really hurting hearing that this is what people think of his columns.
(My bad to anyone that feels it is directed at them. Don't blame me for generalising.)
Ok yeah that was the strangest old man ramble I've ever read.
Guys are your sarcasm radars that broken? They were all quotes from Marks article of nonsense (ownership, my bad, blame and hurting...)
*sheesh*
Guys are your sarcasm radars that broken? They were all quotes from Marks article of nonsense (ownership, my bad, blame and hurting...)
*sheesh*
Integrity, trust, honesty and accountability.
Yeh, with those the Nix can beat Barca, cos that's kinda what the Black Caps v South Africa is, in tests at any rate.
So...The Exponents have the world's best sport song...
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/9544378/Reason-Power-of-song-lifts-sports-world-higher
just another load of dribble from reason - at least he's not moaning about the football.