https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jun/27/sky-sports-channels-prices-football-golf-cricket
Getting rid of Sky Sport 101
Was just about to post that article ^
Sky UK making drastic changes to try and stay relevant.
Will Sky NZ keep their heads in the sand?
Was just about to post that article ^
Sky UK making drastic changes to try and stay relevant.
Will Sky NZ keep their heads in the sand?
Was just about to post that article ^
Sky UK making drastic changes to try and stay relevant.
Will Sky NZ keep their heads in the sand?
Cost to bring their content distribution into the modern era: fudgeing heaps.
Current margins: lots.
Margins if they spend up large on new distribution models: not as large.
Strategy: sweat current assets as long as possible, shut up shop and sell remaining sports rights and subscriber base to highest bidder. Maximise shareholder returns and fudge over consumers to the maximum possible.
If shareholders were worried about that strategy they would have got out (like Todd Corp did) or sacked Fellet long ago.
Don't expect anything to change until major rights expire or subscribers abandon them wholesale.
Was just about to post that article ^
Sky UK making drastic changes to try and stay relevant.
Will Sky NZ keep their heads in the sand?
Cost to bring their content distribution into the modern era: fudgeing heaps.
Current margins: lots.
Margins if they spend up large on new distribution models: not as large.
Strategy: sweat current assets as long as possible, shut up shop and sell remaining sports rights and subscriber base to highest bidder. Maximise shareholder returns and fudge over consumers to the maximum possible.
If shareholders were worried about that strategy they would have got out (like Todd Corp did) or sacked Fellet long ago.
Don't expect anything to change until major rights expire or subscribers abandon them wholesale.
Was just about to post that article ^
Sky UK making drastic changes to try and stay relevant.
Will Sky NZ keep their heads in the sand?
Cost to bring their content distribution into the modern era: fudgeing heaps.
Current margins: lots.
Margins if they spend up large on new distribution models: not as large.
Strategy: sweat current assets as long as possible, shut up shop and sell remaining sports rights and subscriber base to highest bidder. Maximise shareholder returns and fudge over consumers to the maximum possible.
If shareholders were worried about that strategy they would have got out (like Todd Corp did) or sacked Fellet long ago.
Don't expect anything to change until major rights expire or subscribers abandon them wholesale.
I don't know if it's necessarily cynical, or even stupid. I think it's cognitive dissonance or something similar? Sunk cost fallacy? Boiling frog syndrome even? No one involved wants to admit that their days are numbered so they fight for every last inch of their ground even when it's clear they can't win. Too much has been committed to doing one thing that no one wants to let go of that thing. When it slowly becomes clear that the business model is outdated the opportunity to address the issue has gone. New companies can step up and take advantage of the changes in technology (Instagram for Kodak, Spotify for EMI for instance) because they don't have the baggage of a huge investment in another way of doing business.
Was just about to post that article ^
Sky UK making drastic changes to try and stay relevant.
Will Sky NZ keep their heads in the sand?
Cost to bring their content distribution into the modern era: fudgeing heaps.
Current margins: lots.
Margins if they spend up large on new distribution models: not as large.
Strategy: sweat current assets as long as possible, shut up shop and sell remaining sports rights and subscriber base to highest bidder. Maximise shareholder returns and fudge over consumers to the maximum possible.
If shareholders were worried about that strategy they would have got out (like Todd Corp did) or sacked Fellet long ago.
Don't expect anything to change until major rights expire or subscribers abandon them wholesale.
I don't know if it's necessarily cynical, or even stupid. I think it's cognitive dissonance or something similar? Sunk cost fallacy? Boiling frog syndrome even? No one involved wants to admit that their days are numbered so they fight for every last inch of their ground even when it's clear they can't win. Too much has been committed to doing one thing that no one wants to let go of that thing. When it slowly becomes clear that the business model is outdated the opportunity to address the issue has gone. New companies can step up and take advantage of the changes in technology (Instagram for Kodak, Spotify for EMI for instance) because they don't have the baggage of a huge investment in another way of doing business.
Those examples are really different. Kodak tried desperately to reinvent itself and failed. EMI sort of did too, they were the first music rights holder to licence music for streaming and also the first to release in DRM-free formats. But EMI are a better example. They ran their business into the ground but still realised billions of dollars because their rights bundle retained its asset value.
Sky's behaviour is entirely rational. Another solution for them might be acquisition. If some start up establishes a streaming platform that works they might be able to jump on board. Seems less likely to me though. I reckon they will cruise along pretty happily for quite a while on the back of their existing rights holdings. There's not even a medium term imperative for change. Just a long term theoretical one which seems compelling to you and me because we want it, but is yet to crystalise to the point that it could be considered an investment case.
Great posts Smithy, you're making a hell of a lot of sense here.
However I do think the below could well come to fruition given the reported drops in subscriber numbers. It does seem to be happening somewhat exponentially.
Don't expect anything to change until major rights expire or subscribers abandon them wholesale.
Was just about to post that article ^
Sky UK making drastic changes to try and stay relevant.
Will Sky NZ keep their heads in the sand?
Cost to bring their content distribution into the modern era: fudgeing heaps.
Current margins: lots.
Margins if they spend up large on new distribution models: not as large.
Strategy: sweat current assets as long as possible, shut up shop and sell remaining sports rights and subscriber base to highest bidder. Maximise shareholder returns and fudge over consumers to the maximum possible.
If shareholders were worried about that strategy they would have got out (like Todd Corp did) or sacked Fellet long ago.
Don't expect anything to change until major rights expire or subscribers abandon them wholesale.
I don't know if it's necessarily cynical, or even stupid. I think it's cognitive dissonance or something similar? Sunk cost fallacy? Boiling frog syndrome even? No one involved wants to admit that their days are numbered so they fight for every last inch of their ground even when it's clear they can't win. Too much has been committed to doing one thing that no one wants to let go of that thing. When it slowly becomes clear that the business model is outdated the opportunity to address the issue has gone. New companies can step up and take advantage of the changes in technology (Instagram for Kodak, Spotify for EMI for instance) because they don't have the baggage of a huge investment in another way of doing business.
Those examples are really different. Kodak tried desperately to reinvent itself and failed. EMI sort of did too, they were the first music rights holder to licence music for streaming and also the first to release in DRM-free formats. But EMI are a better example. They ran their business into the ground but still realised billions of dollars because their rights bundle retained its asset value.
Sky's behaviour is entirely rational. Another solution for them might be acquisition. If some start up establishes a streaming platform that works they might be able to jump on board. Seems less likely to me though. I reckon they will cruise along pretty happily for quite a while on the back of their existing rights holdings. There's not even a medium term imperative for change. Just a long term theoretical one which seems compelling to you and me because we want it, but is yet to crystalise to the point that it could be considered an investment case.
Yeah Kodak and EMI tried to change but the writing was on the wall well before they acted. I mean, Kodak produced the first digital camera and yet still failed to adjust to the change in consumer behavior that would eventually drive. It's blatantly obvious that the long term future of media markets is not the bundled, broadcast model Sky has. Ok they're still profitable but that's really just borrowing off the future. At some point they have to start positioning themselves to change and the longer they leave it the tougher it will be for them.
Review of Sky's current streaming services, and general comment on the industry direction;
Interesting piece
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/960151...
Sky TV is refusing to press the panic button despite seeing its annual profits drop by a fifth and the loss of almost 34,000 satellite subscribers.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/960151...
Sky TV is refusing to press the panic button despite seeing its annual profits drop by a fifth and the loss of almost 34,000 satellite subscribers.
unsurprisingly the article doesn't mention how many OTT customers SKY has picked up. Things are def changing but like has been said before why rush the change when there are still so many customers viewing via the traditional method.
im gonna need to get a football streaming subscription for the coming season. I changed to netflix and just dont want to go back to sky
What are the best options to get the a-league legally online?
What are the best options to get the a-league legally online?
define legal
What are the best options to get the a-league legally online?
define legal
[lee-guh l]
adjective
- permitted by law; lawful: Such acts are not legal.
- of or relating to law; connected with the law or its administration: the legal profession.
What are the best options to get the a-league legally online?
Legal - fan pass, although even then games are frequently on popup channels and therefore not on fanpass. Or you would have to get sky, and rely on the unreliable skygo (and even then I don't think popup channel games are on skygo?).
If you mean how can you pay for the content and stream it online: I think you can sign up to fox online service in Australia and use a VPN?
pop up channels are on Sky Go, Fan Pass would be a waste of time
looks like the fox option is only replays of the game on demand, 12 hours after the game. But if that doesn't bother you, it's quite cheap.
Otherwise foxsoccer matchpass (formerly fox soccer 2 go) is the American version that used to have A league, but didn't last season. Might be worth checking as they also have a lot of other good content, as well as showing the games live and on demand.
how many times last season were the Nix on a pop up channel? Geniunely asking, expect 2ndBest to have a snazzy table/graph thing.
I ditched Sky Sport and my life hasn't changed. It is a bit of a rip off. No wonder their company is bleeding. They remind me of a health insurance company where if the subscription pool shrinks they will need to put up the prices or cut back on the content (which leads to further departures)
how many times last season were the Nix on a pop up channel? Geniunely asking, expect 2ndBest to have a snazzy table/graph thing.
Surely even you can't deny that the popups not being on FanPass isn't ideal, chopah.
how many times last season were the Nix on a pop up channel? Geniunely asking, expect 2ndBest to have a snazzy table/graph thing.
Surely even you can't deny that the popups not being on FanPass isn't ideal, chopah.
that wasn't even where I was heading with that - but thanks for assuming I was defending SKY this time.
If you must know I was after some evidence to see if I can have a chat to the Fanpass guy about popup's.
how many times last season were the Nix on a pop up channel? Geniunely asking, expect 2ndBest to have a snazzy table/graph thing.
Surely even you can't deny that the popups not being on FanPass isn't ideal, chopah.
that wasn't even where I was heading with that - but thanks for assuming I was defending SKY this time.
If you must know I was after some evidence to see if I can have a chat to the Fanpass guy about popup's.
how many times last season were the Nix on a pop up channel? Geniunely asking, expect 2ndBest to have a snazzy table/graph thing.
Surely even you can't deny that the popups not being on FanPass isn't ideal, chopah.
that wasn't even where I was heading with that - but thanks for assuming I was defending SKY this time.
If you must know I was after some evidence to see if I can have a chat to the Fanpass guy about popup's.
all good - i can certainly understand why you got to that assumption. And of course your right about Fanpass and PopUp channels - I can't and wouldn't start to try and defend that. Maybe at the start of Fanpass you could argue they were waiting to see if it was needed - but now... well!
They often put live sport on popup channels when there is no live sport on the main channels too. Leads me to believe it's done deliberately, particularly for tournaments like football World Cup or euros etc. They'd rather use popup channels to get people to sign up to their satellite service rather than fanpass. The huge price hike of fanpass to $100 for a month pass seems to back that up too.
To me, fanpass seemed like a tool they were using to try get the Vodafone merger across the line. "See we are doing digital/online stuff" - the second that merger was declined, that was when they hiked the price of fanpass up.
Or I could just be cynical.
I thought the timing for the price hike was aimed towards the Lions tour than the merger but I'm definitely cynical.
Grrrr, MySky stopped recording the Chatham Cup with 5 minutes to go in extra-time. I've lost count of the number of times it doesn't take the possibility of extra-time and penalties into account.
Mine was fine. But then I extended it 20 minutes and have an extra 10 minutes added in to the end of every show, because I know how rubbish they are.
I have been watching this space carefully...no one is speaking about Kodi yet.
Are we allowed to do that (assuming we only talk of legit add ons)?
I personally have Netflix so I am OK for movies etc, but I would seriously contemplate getting a Kodi box if I were able to watch replays of Serie A games soon after they have been played.
Currently I have to go online and search for full match replay websites but it can be hit-or-miss sometimes.
Not too fussed about live coverage as I'm usually at work by then anyway and if it's an important game (e.g. UCL) I will go to the pub and watch it there...
I have been watching this space carefully...no one is speaking about Kodi yet.
Are we allowed to do that (assuming we only talk of legit add ons)?
I personally have Netflix so I am OK for movies etc, but I would seriously contemplate getting a Kodi box if I were able to watch replays of Serie A games soon after they have been played.
Currently I have to go online and search for full match replay websites but it can be hit-or-miss sometimes.
Not too fussed about live coverage as I'm usually at work by then anyway and if it's an important game (e.g. UCL) I will go to the pub and watch it there...
You're welcome to talk about them. Feels a bit dirty to me, a business built on nicking content. I also think that eventually someone (the Courts, Parliament, the Popo) will catch up with them and then you'll be left with a brick.
But that's just me. I sit next to someone at work who has one and loves it.
FWIW, I don't have Sky, and when watching football highlights I've tended to use the fullmatchesandshows site, which was recommended to me a while back by someone on this forum. http://www.fullmatchesandshows.com/
It's good most of the time, although I've had a few problems lately, but I've since found the ourmatch site http://ourmatch.net/videos/england/premier-league-... which seems to work pretty well.
Mine was fine. But then I extended it 20 minutes and have an extra 10 minutes added in to the end of every show, because I know how rubbish they are.
I was shocked and then slightly suspicious when we didn't get rainfade during the hailstorm that hit in the 2nd half.
Good point. It always seems so random whether it happens or not. Had it not happen at all during hail (or generally heavy) storms like that one, then I've had rain fade when it's just a bit cloudy.
Pretty strange.
I'm always a bit understanding when it happens. It's not like streaming services or the internet don't ever cut out from time to time.
FWIW, I don't have Sky, and when watching football highlights I've tended to use the fullmatchesandshows site, which was recommended to me a while back by someone on this forum. http://www.fullmatchesandshows.com/
It's good most of the time, although I've had a few problems lately, but I've since found the ourmatch site http://ourmatch.net/videos/england/premier-league-... which seems to work pretty well.
I have a long list of websites I peruse when I need to find a full match replay of Roma games.
Fullmatchesandshows
matchhighlight
fullmatchreplay
fullmatchsports
livefootballvideo.net/fullmatch
lasthl
These are all good websites, but I went over to a friend's house a while ago and he showed me his Kodi and he had so many different streams (full replays) to so many different games and could often choose the language (I'd rather watch a game in Italian or English than in Russian) that I was amazed, hence my looking into this...
Grrrr, MySky stopped recording the Chatham Cup with 5 minutes to go in extra-time. I've lost count of the number of times it doesn't take the possibility of extra-time and penalties into account.
I've been burned so many times by this happening that I now make sure to manually set the next 2 hours after the scheduled end time to record for things that could potentially go on longer than scheduled. Mostly this is knockout football matches or tennis grand slam matches. Had it happen in a men's US Open final once where the recording ended even before the end of the 3rd set.
Anyone else get that survey from Sky in regards to their service? I don't think I will win the $100 prize. Oh and and there's 21 questions which seem to be quite be repetitive. I went through it and then copy and pasted my answers as it got quite annoying. But I told the truth and made 7 points which I thought were valid. Our fellow fan and Sky employee on here has been a breath of fresh air in helpfulness and that is certainly a positive.