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So what is meant to have happened?
 
The Nix Nine have no football knowledge and the coach who got the club to the finals the last two seasons is out of contract.  So what the 'opinions' suggest is that you leave things as they are and hope you don't piss Ricki off so he walks as he has no deal and wait until you appoint the board you need to advise you, then start a process to scour the world, all the time with no contracted manager?  You've also been quoted as saying this year is about re-establishing the club and setting up the processes for the future, so it's hard to claim a one year deal when you yourself have given the system a timeframe longer than one season.
 
The ONLY option was to re-sign Ricki and if he said I want four years and you said we'll give you one, then two with a director of football role is a happy medium.
 
Also, from Ross' article that kind of undermines his point.  Branko signed for four years but they chopped him after one.  There are implications but if you need to make a change it just costs you money.
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ok this pisses me off now. SW writes a schoolboy article on the new contract, Aloisi writes an article that has a point, logic, stats, knowledge of players/coaches/football, and expresses an opinion including logical alternatives to the situation.
Then Dom Post go and copy it. Write your own sh*t
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Yeah, I thought this was a particularly poor effort by Sam the Sham and the Dom Post.
 
First, Sam basically copies Aloisi's blog post and then, some sub-editor whacks a totally negative headline on it.
 
The funniest thing is that Sam simply repeats Aloisi's obvious error that the Nix have only ever won one finals game. I'm pretty sure I remember being at the RoF when we won two.
 
terminator_x2011-11-18 10:44:15
Listen here Fudgeface
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terminator_x wrote:

The finniest thing is that Sam simply repeats Aloisi's obvious error that the Nix have only ever won one finals game. I'm pretty sure I remember being at�the RoF�when we won two.

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...which proves that the Dom Post really have no idea what they are doing.
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patrick478 wrote:
terminator_x wrote:

The finniest thing is that Sam simply repeats Aloisi's obvious error that the Nix have only ever won one finals game. I'm pretty sure I remember being at�the RoF�when we won two.

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...which proves that the Dom Post really have no idea what they are doing.


Technically speaking, we did win only one play-off game - the game against Perth is technically a draw.
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it doesnt even say who 'wrote' it. Grow some
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el grapadura wrote:
patrick478 wrote:
terminator_x wrote:

The finniest thing is that Sam simply repeats Aloisi's obvious error that the Nix have only ever won one finals game. I'm pretty sure I remember being at the RoF when we won two.

 


...which proves that the Dom Post really have no idea what they are doing.


Technically speaking, we did win only one play-off game - the game against Perth is technically a draw.
 
So technically speaking Italy didn't win the 2006 World Cup either?
 
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They won the World Cup, but officially did not win the final of the World Cup - they won the penalty shoot-out which determined the winner of the tournament after the game itself ended as a draw.

It's the way FIFA officially counts such games in the statistics.
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You didn't mind this when it meant you could say the Wharf wimmin were undefeated last season....el grapadura2011-11-18 13:08:22
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el grapadura wrote:
They won the World Cup, but officially did not win the final of the World Cup - they won the penalty shoot-out which determined the winner of the tournament after the game itself ended as a draw.

It's the way FIFA officially counts such games in the statistics.

 
ha well i never...
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el grapadura wrote:
You didn't mind this when it meant you could say the Wharf wimmin were undefeated last season....
 
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With all this talk regarding Ricki's performance and the odd stat chucked in, our win %, I thought it would be interesting to have a look at our stats over the seasons.

So I created a couple of charts showing the performance of the team over the past regular seasons (not including playoffs) including the games we have played currently in this season.

I am just going to link them as they are large(ish) images.

Phoenix - Win/Loss/Draw stats

Points per game and season odds prior to season commencement

I have used odds from Centrebet and TAB at this point, waiting on them to see if they will supply their historic odds. Would be interesting to see how our perceived strength is compared to actual results.
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Pretty fair analysis - I've been pretty critical of Mr Thompson in th epast but hard to disagree with him here.
 
 
Although the headline doesn't seem to match the tenor of the article - (bloody subs!)
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Agreed. A couple of holes and historical re-writes but considerably less than what most 'opinion' pieces of late have had.
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Bullion wrote:
With all this talk regarding Ricki's performance and the odd stat chucked in, our win %, I thought it would be interesting to have a look at our stats over the seasons.

So I created a couple of charts showing the performance of the team over the past regular seasons (not including playoffs) including the games we have played currently in this season.

I am just going to link them as they are large(ish) images.

Phoenix - Win/Loss/Draw stats

Points per game and season odds prior to season commencement

I have used odds from Centrebet and TAB at this point, waiting on them to see if they will supply their historic odds. Would be interesting to see how our perceived strength is compared to actual results.
 
TAB Odds for start of 07-08 season (24 Aug):
 
1 Melbourne Victory $2.60
2 Sydney FC $4.00
3 Central Coast Mariners $7.00
4 Adelaide United $8.00
5 Perth Glory $10.00
6 Newcastle United Jets $16.00
7 Queensland Roar $14.00
8 Wellington Phoenix $20.00
 
Got odds for all games for seasons 06-07 (Knights) and 07-08.
+ odds for other sports EPL, CL, WC, NZFC, SPL, cricket, rugby, NBA, NFL, etc if anyone is interested.
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Pretty fair analysis - I've been pretty critical of Mr Thompson in th epast but hard to disagree with him here.
 
 
Although the headline doesn't seem to match the tenor of the article - (bloody subs!)


There was some pretty good editorialising about the Phoenix in a number of places this weekend.

In addition to the piece above The Dom Post ran this as their editorial:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/5996296/Editorial-Patience-is-the-name-of-the-Phoenix-game

And The Herald ran this piece by Michael Burgess:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/soccer-football/news/article.cfm?c_id=86&objectid=10767385

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terminator_x wrote:

james dean wrote:
Pretty fair analysis - I've been pretty critical of Mr Thompson in th epast but hard to disagree with him here.
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Although the headline doesn't seem to match the tenor of the article - (bloody subs!)
There was some pretty good editorialising about the Phoenix in a number of places this weekend.In addition to the piece above The Dom Post ran this as their editorial:http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/5996296/Editorial-Patience-is-the-name-of-the-Phoenix-gameAnd The Herald ran this piece by Michael Burgess:http://www.nzherald.co.nz/soccer-football/news/article.cfm?c_id=86&objectid=10767385


You are missing Danny Hay's fantastic little piece about how Phoenix dominated and Ricki's tactics to get the draw were great...

... just kidding - Adelaide dominated, played brilliant football, Phoenix were sh*t, Herbert clueless and not playing enough Kiwi's.

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Jack wrote:
Bullion wrote:
With all this talk regarding Ricki's performance and the odd stat chucked in, our win %, I thought it would be interesting to have a look at our stats over the seasons. So I created a couple of charts showing the performance of the team over the past regular seasons (not including playoffs) including the games we have played currently in this season. I am just going to link them as they are large(ish) images. Phoenix - Win/Loss/Draw stats Points per game and season odds prior to season commencement I have used odds from Centrebet and TAB at this point, waiting on them to see if they will supply their historic odds. Would be interesting to see how our perceived strength is compared to actual results.




�

TAB Odds for start of 07-08 season (24 Aug):

�

1 Melbourne Victory $2.60

2 Sydney FC $4.00

3 Central Coast Mariners $7.00

4 Adelaide United $8.00

5 Perth Glory $10.00

6 Newcastle United Jets $16.00

7 Queensland Roar $14.00

8 Wellington Phoenix $20.00

�

<FONT size=2 face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Got odds for all�games for seasons 06-07 (Knights) and 07-08.

<FONT size=2 face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">+ odds for other sports EPL, CL, WC,�NZFC, SPL, cricket, rugby,�NBA, NFL,�etc if anyone is interested.

Thanks
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why is the Dom getting 'expert' comments on what drives our gate sales from an Aklder who has probably never been to a game here in his life.
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Because he's happy to slag Ricki. 
 
With them losing Terry and escalating the 'Nix Nine' to deities the next person on the list is Ricki.
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maybe there was 5k cos the Dom does nothing but slag the team off
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Hard News wrote:
New Zealand's Craig Foster.


Could't be that bad, surely?
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Is there something Ricki's done to piss off all these ex-All Whites or is it just a kind of tall poppy/attention grabbing/media whore thing?
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The cynical might say the he's slagging Ricki to push the barrel of his old friend Neil Emblen who is 'bubbling under' as a viable candidate for a job at the Phoenix.
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Hard News wrote:
Because he's happy to slag Ricki. 
 
With them losing Terry and escalating the 'Nix Nine' to deities the next person on the list is Ricki.
 
Danny Hay =  the new Miles Davis?
 
 
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The cynical might say the he's slagging Ricki to push the barrel of his old friend Neil Emblen who is 'bubbling under' as a viable candidate for a job at the Phoenix.

I may be a bit off the mark, but shortly after Ricki became AW manager there was that tour to Central and South America and afterwards a lot of senior players were given the chop? Was Danny Hay part of this lot?
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Hard News wrote:
New Zealand's Craig Foster.

Fozzy is generally a bit more constructive and less negative.
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Feverish wrote:
maybe there was 5k cos the Dom does nothing but slag the team off

Totally agree with this and a few other media/"sports" journalists are guilty of this too.

Short sighted reporting, no context and not a great understanding of the HAL
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Bullion wrote:
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The cynical might say the he's slagging Ricki to push the barrel of his old friend Neil Emblen who is 'bubbling under' as a viable candidate for a job at the Phoenix.

I may be a bit off the mark, but shortly after Ricki became AW manager there was that tour to Central and South America and afterwards a lot of senior players were given the chop? Was Danny Hay part of this lot?


I remember hearing something about this too. As I recall, weren't quite a few of the senior players unhappy with the way Ricki got the job? and that's why Nelsen didn't play for the AWs for a while?
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As I recall, weren't quite a few of the senior players unhappy with the way Ricki got the job?
'

Not so much that as the way Mick Waitt got shafted. Still, five years seems a while to keep a grudge.Doloras2011-11-25 13:21:13
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Sir George Grey kept one for 36 years (and probably would have held it for longer if he hadn't dropped dead) so guess there's a wee way still to go.
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Do I not remember that Ricki wanted D. Hay for the Nix in 2007 but he wasn't prepared to move to Welly?

Is it possible that Hay (and/or Emblen) think that they have more chance of persuading the Nix Nine of their case than they did with Terry?
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Bullion wrote:
Hard News wrote:
The cynical might say the he's slagging Ricki to push the barrel of his old friend Neil Emblen who is 'bubbling under' as a viable candidate for a job at the Phoenix.

I may be a bit off the mark, but shortly after Ricki became AW manager there was that tour to Central and South America and afterwards a lot of senior players were given the chop? Was Danny Hay part of this lot?


Pretty sure Hay was captain. On a radio interview about 6 months ago when he was asked about Hay continually slagging him off, Herbert indicated that attitudes on that tour were pretty poor, and reading between the lines of the interview, that Hay was one of the main problems.

This is from memory, so could be wrong.
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aitkenmike wrote:
Bullion wrote:
Hard News wrote:
The cynical might say the he's slagging Ricki to push the barrel of his old friend Neil Emblen who is 'bubbling under' as a viable candidate for a job at the Phoenix.

I may be a bit off the mark, but shortly after Ricki became AW manager there was that tour to Central and South America and afterwards a lot of senior players were given the chop? Was Danny Hay part of this lot?


Pretty sure Hay was captain. On a radio interview about 6 months ago when he was asked about Hay continually slagging him off, Herbert indicated that attitudes on that tour were pretty poor, and reading between the lines of the interview, that Hay was one of the main problems.

This is from memory, so could be wrong.


Hay was always a cancer in the background. Who gives a rats arse about him - the all whites were rubbish when he was playing.

Hes probably apporoaching 40 and bald.  I would be grumpy on life too.
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Dura tells Danny Hay to piss off in In The Nix:


Phoenix skipper Andrew Durante said he was surprised to read a newspaper article quoting former All White Danny Hay saying the Phoenix game plan was stale and keeping the fans away.

Hay also said the days were gone when people were happy to just see the ball lumped down the field.

�I�ve been quite happy with the way we�ve been playing this season,� Durante said.

�The only thing missing is that we haven�t been putting the ball in the net.

�We are not a team that lumps it long, just as we don�t have a lot of intricate play in our build like Brisbane Roar do.

�A lot of teams are trying to play like Brisbane, playing out a lot from the back and getting caught.

�We aren�t a team that takes risks at the back but we do try to get the ball out to our fullbacks and wingers.

�We don�t build up through the middle, we like to get it out wide and get crosses into the box. You can see that from our stats which show we often have more balls into the penalty area than our opponents.

�That is positive in that it puts teams on the back foot. Obviously sometimes it has to be a bit scrappy and a case in point was when we went to Brisbane..

�There are times when you have to change and the plan we used that day worked pretty well. Not many teams are going to get a point from Suncorp as we did.�

Team-mate Manny Muscat agreed with his captain�s assessment of the season so far.

�Considering our limited numbers through injuries and suspensions we�ve played some pretty good football, had lots of possession and created plenty of chances,� Muscat said.

�The reason we haven�t been winning is simple. We haven�t been scoring goals and that has to change.

�There will always be games where you play well and don�t get the points, and vice versa.

�Taking three points from our home games is crucial because historically we haven�t done well away.

�Actually we have played better away this season � don�t ask me why � but need to get more from games.

�Sydney have been a bit like us � playing well without results going their way, but the league is so tight that a couple of wins on the trot can put you in the top four.

�If we keep believing in ourselves and keep playing good football the results will come. Hopefully it starts on Sunday.�

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