Squads are out for the Black Caps tour to England...
Test Squad
Daniel Vettori (captain)
Daniel Flynn
Peter Fulton
Gareth Hopkins
Jamie How
Brendon McCullum (VC)
James Marshall
Chris Martin
Kyle Mills
Iain O�Brien
Jacob Oram
Jeetan Patel
Aaron Redmond
Tim Southee
Ross Taylor
(Either Mark Gillespie or Michael Mason to be added)
ODI Squad
Daniel Vettori (captain)
Daniel Flynn
Mark Gillespie
Gareth Hopkins
Jamie How
Jacob Oram
Michael Mason
James Marshall
Kyle Mills
Brendon McCullum (VC)
Jeetan Patel
Jesse Ryder
Scott Styris
Tim Southee
Ross Taylor
Daniel Flynn
Mark Gillespie
Gareth Hopkins
Jamie How
Jacob Oram
Michael Mason
James Marshall
Kyle Mills
Brendon McCullum (VC)
Jeetan Patel
Jesse Ryder
Scott Styris
Tim Southee
Ross Taylor
Replacements for IPL players (until May 1)
Michael Mason
Mark Gillespie
Grant Elliott
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redmond aye, guess he has scored a lot of runs of late. well has been for the last couple of season so its an understandable choice. i would of liked them to take 3 openers, i guess marshall or fulton are the back ups. pretty predictable outside redmond though
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redmond aye, guess he has scored a lot of runs of late. well has been for the last couple of season so its an understandable choice. i would of liked them to take 3 openers, i guess marshall or fulton are the back ups. pretty predictable outside redmond though
more adhoc bolloccks selection...they've fffed off our best and most experienced players...and now they played pin the tail on the donkey to select these...
no perserverance with players of domestically proven quality...no thought of a player like Neal Parlane who would offer stability...
Heseus Kristofferson that makes How and Taylor our senior batsmen unless you count Vettori...look at how long england carried a player of the class of Strauss...
Well the last of Aberharts team is gone and Bracewell is starting to show as the charlatan that he is....
NZ cricket braindead DOA for some time...
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Seems that James Marshell threatning to go to the Rebel League has worked.
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Yet he's not happy with being picked as an opener. I'm really not looking forward to this series...
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has marshall been picked as an opener, i disagree that its an ad hoc selection. sure not many pundits were talking about redmond but he has scored consistent runs for the last couple of seasons. so have both flynn and marshall
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I can't see why Martin was dropped from the ODI's.
It seems like a merry go round to me. Players like Remond and Flynn will probably perform poorly and then they'll be dropped for the next big hope of NZ cricket only for them to perform poorly as well. I would have picked Hay in the test team as well.
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I can't see why Martin was dropped from the ODI's.
Cause our top order cant bat, so the least we can do is have bowlers that can 
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has marshall been picked as an opener
Surely we're not taking only How and Redmond to open for a longish tour? We surely have to have another opening option, and from the team it looks as if it's Marshall.
But I don't really know, not really sure if the selectors and NZC really know what they're doing.
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has marshall been picked as an opener, i disagree that its an ad hoc selection. sure not many pundits were talking about redmond but he has scored consistent runs for the last couple of seasons. so have both flynn and marshall
so have bell and Sinclair...this means there is no experience in our top order. none. not one experienced international batsman...and taylor not withstanding as potential, no one of real class...
edit: sorry forgot about Vettori and Southee...
martinb2008-04-07 10:50:13
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Marshall as an opener is abad idea - he failed miserably tye last time he opened, in fact I can't recall him performing well in the test arena ever....I'm a little dissapointed that they didn't persevere with Bell - admittedly he struggled, but he and How needed some time together. This is just typical of NZ Cricket selections of late - no consistancy, no backbone etc I notice that Sir Richard has bailed before this team fails.
Queenslander 3x a year.
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Marshall as an opener is abad idea - he failed miserably tye last time he opened, in fact I can't recall him performing well in the test arena ever....I'm a little dissapointed that they didn't persevere with Bell - admittedly he struggled, but he and How needed some time together. This is just typical of NZ Cricket selections of late - no consistancy, no backbone etc I notice that Sir Richard has bailed before this team fails.
absolutely. This is pathetic selection. I think Bell and Sinclair should both have gone, if for no other reason than that they are both experienced batsmen. We play sod all test cricket, and have very little experience. We have a wealth of very good players retired or taken off early because the current setup is mickey mouse. Mcmillan, Astle, Styris, Fleming, Vincent....are a few who come directly to mind. Wouldn't anyone of them in the team hugely increase it's quality?
This team shows how much of a mess and an embarrassment the game is currently. It is hard to understand the rationale behind whats going on. The thought of an experienced first class player coming in- say someone like Neal Parlane, and doing a similar kind of job to what Robie Hart did has been discarded.
Fleming leaves asking for players to have time to learn their game before being foisted into the test arena, and then we get this team where How and Taylor are the experienced batsmen, themselves very much learning their craft at international level.
They might do well, who knows. But obviously its that old chestnut when they selected Marshall the first time, something about international technique that hasn't exactly been setting the domestic scene on fire.
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[QUOTE=theprof]This is pathetic selection. I think Bell and Sinclair should both have gone, if for no other reason than that they are both experienced batsmen.
Yes they are. Problem is, we've also experienced enough of their sh*teness. Give young blood a go!!!! Anyone other the duckbell and 'footloose' Sinclair!!!!
Stevo2008-04-07 17:12:19
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England isnt really the best place to be blooding new young players, especially when they have just completed a fairly comprehensive victory over us......I would have preferred to have blooded new guys at home against lesser teams........just like Fleming said - we need to give guys time to develop into the role.
Queenslander 3x a year.
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Marshall as an opener is abad idea - he failed miserably tye last time he opened, in fact I can't recall him performing well in the test arena ever....I'm a little dissapointed that they didn't persevere with Bell - admittedly he struggled, but he and How needed some time together. This is just typical of NZ Cricket selections of late - no consistancy, no backbone etc I notice that Sir Richard has bailed before this team fails.
absolutely. This is pathetic selection. I think Bell and Sinclair should both have gone, if for no other reason than that they are both experienced batsmen. We play sod all test cricket, and have very little experience. We have a wealth of very good players retired or taken off early because the current setup is mickey mouse. Mcmillan, Astle, Styris, Fleming, Vincent....are a few who come directly to mind. Wouldn't anyone of them in the team hugely increase it's quality?
This team shows how much of a mess and an embarrassment the game is currently. It is hard to understand the rationale behind whats going on. The thought of an experienced first class player coming in- say someone like Neal Parlane, and doing a similar kind of job to what Robie Hart did has been discarded.
Fleming leaves asking for players to have time to learn their game before being foisted into the test arena, and then we get this team where How and Taylor are the experienced batsmen, themselves very much learning their craft at international level.
They might do well, who knows. But obviously its that old chestnut when they selected Marshall the first time, something about international technique that hasn't exactly been setting the domestic scene on fire.
bell ill give ya, he was probably unlucky. but sinclair! no way! i see your location has you in south korea which suggests you missed the england series, it wasnt just that he didnt get any runs it was the way he got out. im still having vivid flashbacks of his shot in the 2nd innings in wellington as well as his two brain explosions in napier.
the pure fact is he hasnt scored runs in test cricket since he got that 200 on a road in chch against the pakis. he had 5 test matches this summer and didnt deliver. now hes trying to say well ill retire if you dont give me a contract, skippy mate do us a favour and retire cos then we wont have to lament the potential you didnt deliver on and we can all move on.
this tour might be tough but i still think it may be closer than people think. but apart from redmond i think there is a group of batsmen who given a consistent run in tests and given that we have a heavy test schedule for the next year or 2 may deliver. i also see they are expanding the 4 day 1st class comp which can only be good for our young batsmen to learn how to bat for long periods. because no matter the strength of the bowling batting time is a concentration thing that players have to learn for themselves and this will give them a good opportunity
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Marshall as an opener is abad idea - he failed miserably tye last time he opened, in fact I can't recall him performing well in the test arena ever....I'm a little dissapointed that they didn't persevere with Bell - admittedly he struggled, but he and How needed some time together. This is just typical of NZ Cricket selections of late - no consistancy, no backbone etc I notice that Sir Richard has bailed before this team fails.
absolutely. This is pathetic selection. I think Bell and Sinclair should both have gone, if for no other reason than that they are both experienced batsmen. We play sod all test cricket, and have very little experience. We have a wealth of very good players retired or taken off early because the current setup is mickey mouse. Mcmillan, Astle, Styris, Fleming, Vincent....are a few who come directly to mind. Wouldn't anyone of them in the team hugely increase it's quality?
This team shows how much of a mess and an embarrassment the game is currently. It is hard to understand the rationale behind whats going on. The thought of an experienced first class player coming in- say someone like Neal Parlane, and doing a similar kind of job to what Robie Hart did has been discarded.
Fleming leaves asking for players to have time to learn their game before being foisted into the test arena, and then we get this team where How and Taylor are the experienced batsmen, themselves very much learning their craft at international level.
They might do well, who knows. But obviously its that old chestnut when they selected Marshall the first time, something about international technique that hasn't exactly been setting the domestic scene on fire.
bell ill give ya, he was probably unlucky. but sinclair! no way! i see your location has you in south korea which suggests you missed the england series, it wasnt just that he didnt get any runs it was the way he got out. im still having vivid flashbacks of his shot in the 2nd innings in wellington as well as his two brain explosions in napier.
the pure fact is he hasnt scored runs in test cricket since he got that 200 on a road in chch against the pakis. he had 5 test matches this summer and didnt deliver. now hes trying to say well ill retire if you dont give me a contract, skippy mate do us a favour and retire cos then we wont have to lament the potential you didnt deliver on and we can all move on.
this tour might be tough but i still think it may be closer than people think. but apart from redmond i think there is a group of batsmen who given a consistent run in tests and given that we have a heavy test schedule for the next year or 2 may deliver. i also see they are expanding the 4 day 1st class comp which can only be good for our young batsmen to learn how to bat for long periods. because no matter the strength of the bowling batting time is a concentration thing that players have to learn for themselves and this will give them a good opportunity
yeh know that that was controversial...and no didin't miss the series...was kept up to date by mates, youtube, radiosport, tv nz...yep...I know he hasn't delivered...BUT how long did England carry Strauss? and they have much more quality and depth of experience on a first class level champing at the bit...
I think, and I know this is unpopular, with the record he has fashioned in first class cricket, his experience and his undoubted but rarely seen talent he should be there. I think once he feels secure in the side..ie hits some form...ok could be chasing the white elephant there...but could it be so much worse than ^*%&# James Marshall?
It is just from a perspective of experience in our batting line up, cos I'd say that almost any one of the England players on their own has more test experience than our combined batting line up, and it can only get worse if you take bangladesh and zimbabwe out of the equation.
half a season ago Fulton, Taylor and How were the newbies, getting experience being groomed. Now they are supposedly old hands. ridiculous. If you look at Flemings recent comments, and consider where a chap like Mike Hussey or even Scott Styris or Mark Richardson emerged from these selections look banal.
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