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Boy Racers

The answer to life's problems are rarely found at the bottom of a beer glass - but it's always worth a look.

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After my umpteenth near death experience crossing the road in Newtown!!

The answer to life's problems are rarely found at the bottom of a beer glass - but it's always worth a look.

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Sorry if the last option seems a bit cruel and unusual !!

The answer to life's problems are rarely found at the bottom of a beer glass - but it's always worth a look.

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I said dancing with the stars, but to be fair if it could just be about Miriama Smith in tiny outfits even I might be keen...

How's my driving? - Whine here

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Kill them! Kill them all!!!
 
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that's gimptastic
I like tautologies because I like them.
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Hung, drawn and quartered.

...after forcing them to watch Dancing with the stars...

(To be serious - Removal of license and crushing their car, plus community service. Jail time for repeat offenders.)
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Where's the "all the above" option?
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DKP22 wrote:
Where's the "all the above" option?
Just vote for all of them, it ain't a single vote poll.
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One thing is stupid about the law is the big bore exhuast laws... They have made it so it cant be over 95 decibals but there are alot of motorbikes which are alot louder.
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seriously watching the women who dances with martin devlin and hayley  holt isnt punishment

www.kiwifromthecouch.blogspot.com

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All boy/girl racers should be stoned and made to watch their cars get crushed, or even better sold to an old granny!!!!

Queenslander 3x a year.

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Shoot Them and send the family a bill for the bullet. Just like in China! Also their car should be confiscated on the spot and be picked up by a wreckers and crushed within 1 hour of it being pulled over.
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kiwi pie wrote:
Kill them! Kill them all!!!
 
Typical the same soft option Namby Pamby liberal  answers i have  come to expect from you lot!!
By the way that guy in the mask is the same  guy who tried to run me over outside Macdonalds in Newtown i recognise his missus at the back with the red hair , shes always on the pokies at the Zoo bar in the afore mentioned strange suburb,mad eh!!

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get them stoned, then put them in a prison cell with uncle bob!
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The poll is tighter than a  Democrats primary!
Ouch!!
Kiwi Jambo2008-03-13 19:03:05

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Tighter than a........ nah, better not go there, I've not been there and don't really want to try and envision it!
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Here is what happens if a boy racer is caught doing wheelies (i.e. 'sustained loss of traction')

1) Placed under arrest

2) Vehicle impounded automatically for 28 days (no questions asked - remember they haven't even been found guilty yet))

3) Pays for a lawyer - $$$$$$

4) Pays about $400 to get car back after the 28 days is up

5) Goes to court - receives approx $500 fine (minimum) and gets disqualified for 6 months (minimum).

6) If caught driving when disqualified then repeat the above.

Laws do exist for the mandatory confiscation of vehicles. This is where a person has been convicted twice within a space of four years of committing certain offences (i.e dangerous driving, drink driving, failing to stop etc) when using a vehicle.

There is a misconception out there that the law doesn't do enough to punish these young hoons. My own opintion is that the boy racers laws are harsh (and rightfully so). Some might say they're too harsh when you compare the punishment with what say, a first time burglar might receive.
 
As a frontline police officer it frustrates the hell out of me too when I see these young idiots on the road. But I also have the satisfaction of impounding their cars and taking them to court. I assure you the look on their faces once they have been caught is one to behold.
 
The problem is the number of them who don't get caught. Therefore if these idiots are a problem in your area then make sure you let the police know. If you can hear them on your street dial 111 or *555. "But its not an emergency" I hear you saying. Well it is actually because one day someone like like KiwiJambo will be killed. There will be no point in saying the police should have been there when they hadn't been told.  
Hammer Head2008-03-14 09:07:03
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I still think any impounded boy racer car should be crushed into a metal cube about 4' X 4' X 4' . It'd be one less on the road - breaking the offending cycle! Lonegunmen2008-03-14 15:05:29
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Lonegunmen wrote:
I still think any impounded boy racer car should be crushed into a metal cube about 4' X 4' X 4' . It'd be one less on the raod - breaking the offending cycle!
 
that has plenty of issues though, what would happen if the person was driving someone elses car (mum/dad/grandma/friend/whoever) with or without them knowing. a bit unfair on the car owner to have their car crushed because of the way someone else drove it
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You're right and they'll learn very fast eh?
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who will learn very fast?
 
im totally against boy racers (coming from palmy i know all about them), but it would be unfair on mum or dad to see the family crushed cause little timmy was trying to show off in front of his mates or whatever.
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rodfarva wrote:
who will learn very fast?
 
im totally against boy racers (coming from palmy i know all about them), but it would be unfair on mum or dad to see the family crushed cause little timmy was trying to show off in front of his mates or whatever.


Then it will teach the parents to be more responsible with lending their vehicle. It's the same as a parent having a firearm in the house - it is their responsibility to keep it locked away and only lend it (if at all) to people responsible enough to handle it. It is not the fault of the parents, true, but the consequences should be consistent. Especially with it being common for teens to have their car registered as their parents for insurance purposes.

I would hope that the guilt of being responsible for your parents losing their car would be a major deterrent to anyone tempted to commit dangerous conduct in an automobile.
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im not convinced on that point, it's almost like secondary liability for something they had no connection to.
re your gun example, not quite on the same scale as a gun in most cases is cheaper than a car. (so the penalty if someone uses your gun illegally, probably more serious, is less then using a car illegally).
 
the punishment doesnt seem to fit the crime, and such a general sweeping rule is a bit unfair in its application.
e.g. family one has a crap car worth $500, family b has an expensive car woth $50,000.. $49,500 discrepancy between penalties for the same offence doesnt seem like a very fair application of law. rodfarva2008-03-14 16:55:36
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I have yet to see mr & mrs mum and dad driving around in a boy racer modified car.
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not all people getting done for 'boy racing' offences have the typical cars though. im just saying, a general rule for the crushing of whoever's car was used in an offence is a bit unrealistic.
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I see where you're coming from. Perhaps the Boy racers choose to ignore that fact.
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Being a youth with a modded nissan i think they are legends
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couldn't be bothered reading any of the posts but think you're jumping on the medias discrimination bandwagon. What would you define as a boy racer?? I've had more near-death experiences with middle aged men who think they know everything, my father included. Don't wanna step on anyone's toes - just my opinion.
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couldn't be bothered reading any of the posts but think you're jumping on the medias discrimination bandwagon. What would you define as a boy racer?? I've had more near-death experiences with middle aged men who think they know everything, my father included. Don't wanna step on anyone's toes - just my opinion.
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 the ones that are cocks
I like tautologies because I like them.
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point taken haha
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smarah wrote:
couldn't be bothered reading any of the posts but think you're jumping on the medias discrimination bandwagon. What would you define as a boy racer?? I've had more near-death experiences with middle aged men who think they know everything, my father included. Don't wanna step on anyone's toes - just my opinion.


Spot on. There�s just as many middle-aged people who drive just as irresponsibly.
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at least we're not texgting whilst wiping out an elderly couple. That Cnut should have got 20 years and instead despite his smirk the judge gave him a harsh sentence of 9 months home detention!
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The term 'boy racer' does not relate to just young males driving suped-up cars. It is a nick name given because that is whom the law was intended, but in fact it applies to anyone of any age. And yes, there are plenty of middle aged men and women out there who drive much worse than the average teenager. Hammer Head2008-03-15 09:03:09
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Anyone - not just "boy racers" -  who drives recklessly should be punished IMHO - be it from illegal street racing, drunk driving or txting while wiping out an old couple as aforementioned. Cars are dangerous, driving is a privilege that comes with responsibility. Anyone who doesn't live up to that responsibility and places the lives of other at risk shouldn't be on the road. Lives are far more important.

As for the earlier point of the car value difference - Frankly I'd think that a parent would be MUCH more hesitant to lend Little Timmy their $50k car thank their $500 one. I do agree with you that the rule can seem unfair - especially if the parent doesn't realise what their kids are up to in mom or dad's car - but at what specific price does it become unfair? Do we only crush cars up to the value of, say, $5000? Who decides the value? And how will the value limit adjust to inflation?

The problem with the car being the parents is purely insurance - teens will get their car registered as mom or dad's and their insurance premiums plummet. An all-sweeping rule is needed to avoid loopholes.

The other consideration is WHY the example car costs $50K. Is it because mom and dad invested in a nice model vehicle? Or did Little Timmy buy a second hand car then spent thousands of dollars and hours tricking it out, adding all the crap to make it a racing car instead of a vehicle to get from A to B ie spoilers, nos, rims etc - which is the main reason why car crushing is so effective as a deterrent - "I've spent so much money and effort on my car, I don't want to risk losing it by breaking the law, so I'll save any racing for legal events, on legal premises"

I feel the only way a car SHOULDN'T be crushed is if the offender stole the vehicle, so that the car can be returned to the legal owner while the offender has both the original crime against the state of whatever caused them be arrested in the first place (be it speeding, drunk driving, illegal street racing etc) as well as a grand theft auto charge. The loophole for this is for the legal owner (mom and dad) to say "Our child stole the family car, but we refuse to place charges against our own son" in which case they escape the grand theft auto charge. However they shall still face the charge of whatever crime they committed in the first place, which hopefully will be sufficient
enough to prevent them from re-offending is confiscation of license.

That being said - I have no problems with boy racers who follow the law. They can do whatever they want on race-dedicated areas, be them race tracks, areas set aside for burnouts etc - but I have no time for anyone, regardless of what kind of driver they are - that puts the lives on anyone at unreasonable risk on the road.
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Lonegunmen wrote:
at least we're not texgting whilst wiping out an elderly couple. That Cnut should have got 20 years and instead despite his smirk the judge gave him a harsh sentence of 9 months home detention!


So are you calling Cliff Curtis a teenager?
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robbwatson wrote:
Anyone - not just "boy racers" - who drives recklessly should be punished IMHO - be it from illegal street racing, drunk driving or txting while wiping out an old couple as aforementioned. Cars are dangerous, driving is a privilege that comes with responsibility. Anyone who doesn't live up to that responsibility and places the lives of other at risk shouldn't be on the road. Lives are far more important.As for the earlier point of the car value difference - Frankly I'd think that a parent would be MUCH more hesitant to lend Little Timmy their $50k car thank their $500 one. I do agree with you that the rule can seem unfair - especially if the parent doesn't realise what their kids are up to in mom or dad's car - but at what specific price does it become unfair? Do we only crush cars up to the value of, say, $5000? Who decides the value? And how will the value limit adjust to inflation? The problem with the car being the parents is purely insurance - teens will get their car registered as mom or dad's and their insurance premiums plummet. An all-sweeping rule is needed to avoid loopholes. The other consideration is WHY the example car costs $50K. Is it because mom and dad invested in a nice model vehicle? Or did Little Timmy buy a second hand car then spent thousands of dollars and hours tricking it out, adding all the crap to make it a racing car instead of a vehicle to get from A to B ie spoilers, nos, rims etc - which is the main reason why car crushing is so effective as a deterrent - "I've spent so much money and effort on my car, I don't want to risk losing it by breaking the law, so I'll save any racing for legal events, on legal premises"I feel the only way a car SHOULDN'T be crushed is if the offender stole the vehicle, so that the car can be returned to the legal owner while the offender has both the original crime against the state of whatever caused them be arrested in the first place (be it speeding, drunk driving, illegal street racing etc) as well as a grand theft auto charge. The loophole for this is for the legal owner (mom and dad) to say "Our child stole the family car, but we refuse to place charges against our own son" in which case they escape the grand theft auto charge. However they shall still face the charge of whatever crime they committed in the first place, which hopefully will be sufficient enough to prevent them from re-offending is confiscation of license. That being said - I have no problems with boy racers who follow the law. They can do whatever they want on race-dedicated areas, be them race tracks, areas set aside for burnouts etc - but I have no time for anyone, regardless of what kind of driver they are - that puts the lives on anyone at unreasonable risk on the road.


So, you�re against irresponsible driving. So am I, and pretty much most people in New Zealand. So why is it that a certain sub-section of NZ population gets the majority of the negative press when it comes to irresponsible driving...the very title of this thread testifies to that. The real problems with driving in New Zealand are much more deep-seated:
1. Our roads are way too sh*t for the kind of cars which are generally available to anyone with enough money in this country.
2. It�s way to easy to get a driver�s license in this country.

Put these together, and you have a recipe for significant problems. Blaming one (admittedly often irresponsible) section of drivers is simply scape-goating.
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Actually you raise a good point and knowing i will get negative reaction to this, I don't think you should be allowed a car licence till you're 18, not 15 as currently it stands. I'd like to see a 1 year probation period before the full licence is endorsed.
 
I got my licence when I was 20 as I didn't need it before then and didn't have a car. 27 years later and I've had only 2 speeding tickets all up. No other offences. I used to speed a bit 120ks on the trips up to Rotovegas etc, then I copped a $120 fine. That was 8 years ago and since then I've kept a rough iodea of my timings and I drive to the speed limit.
 
My previous speeding used to save me a massive 20 minutes off my journeys in comparrison. I'd rather stay the way I am now, I get there in one peice. You're right, some of it is not an age thing but the modified car scene tends to be the under 30 year olds.
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Lonegunmen wrote:
the modified car scene tends to be the under 30 year olds.


I�m not arguing that that�s not the case, just that NZ�s driving-related problems are much more deep-rooted than that, and that I think it�s a cop-out to simply blame one section of the driving population for the problems.

Glad to hear you�re a responsible driver LG, wish there were more people like you out there.
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