Elections 2008

Elections 2008

Poll says it all.. What do you think?

Oh, and I voted labour. Change for the hell of it isn't me, and I don't care too much for tax cuts. What else can they offer?
NZgooner2008-07-09 15:57:45

I've voted loted for many years and whilst I'm not 100% happy with the way things have gone, they've also made a lot of positive changes in their 9 years, plus Mr Key seems very shakey when it comes to policy and what National are actually planning to do!

too early for me to choose.  I know who i might vote for but until some policies get released i'm not 100% yet.  Can't rule out a stragetic vote either

I may decide to cast my vote United Future's way, if they appear on the voting slip. Looks like they didn't deem this poll important enough to enter? Leeds_Chris2008-07-09 16:14:38

Legally I can't vote but I would probably vote national if I could.

What does the Family Party stand for?

Families ?  - Just a hunch.

stop NZ being 'de-christianised'? against abortions, drugs, prostitution and the like..

family.  Destiny New Zealand has basically renamed itself the Family Party and has co-opted former United Future MP Paul Adams as its co-leader

Ah, so if it's like certain leading Christian leaders it's about molesting families.  Now I get the name.

Haha sorry there.. I must have left them somewhere here...

The right to use the 'I was disciplining my child physically' defence when up in court for child abuse, I believe. I think there's also the Kiwi Party, who presented the petition to parliament along those lines. Leeds_Chris2008-07-09 16:31:15

2ndBest2008-07-09 16:32:02

Pretty sure that's the Paul Adams who was one NZ's top rally drivers in the early eighties.  How the mighty have fallen.

  And the fact that they have to pay cause we can't save must aswell.

how did I remember the family party and not alliance.. oh well.. not like it is a two horse race though is it?

Hard to tell until John Key actually releases a policy.

and not all employees save either.  Fair to stay businesses got a good deal.

Yea, i suspect the national polls will change a bit closer to the election. Surely National cannot go all the way without doing or saying much at all. The phenomenon 'third term blues' where people will just vote for the sake of a change rather than for true political reasons..

new zealand politics show us that oppositions dont get voted in, governments get voted out. this is why keys policy vacuum may not be a huge issue. especially as long as clarke keeps acting like an idiot, shes a great politician but her judgement seems to have dissapeared at the moment

Oh, so the Progressive Party are for Progression? And the Green Party are for Green?

Well, they get my vote then 

There is a significant chunk of voters for the next election who have never lived (well, never in a grown-up and politically-aware sense) with anything but Labour.

yeah, all the new voters who have just seen labours efforts, seem to think that National is full of sharp dressers like Key, someone needs to point out the history of Lockwood Smith and croneys!

theprof2008-07-09 17:10:01

is that corporate tax not small business?

though the Nats 90 day thing won't hellp small businesses, it will just mean the best candidates are less likely to take a punt on a smaller business with fewer established hr procedures. IE in a business of a handful of folk a bad night out on the piss after work with the boss and you could be down the road. No need for a reason or due process.

and the newer Mps such as Alan Peachy who is in favour of  CEO principals and bulk funding, Judith Collins who has been doing a fine poisonous job of bashing beneficiaries at a time of low unemployment and low low numbers on the benefit.

Add that to the Lochies, Murray McCullies, Maurice Williamsons and the old guard.

and the odd leadership who seem to not have their shadow cabinet involved much in the policies of their own areas. Or as soon as they are they are 'misquoted' and 'not involved in the policy development'.

It doesn't seem a New Zealand style of politics. When you look at who is running the campaign (Australian firm Crosby Textor) and which businesses are lining up for the windfalls (the Australian insurance industry at the expense of the NZ taxpayer), it is a bit of a laugh that the Nats want to run NZ.

Billboard Labour NZ for Kiwis / National  NZ for Aussies

sheesh...sorry. but yeh. ends and means?

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Im sorry but thats crap and i dont buy it at all. People hire political consultants, buying into something because Nicky Hager says so is pretty average. No one has ever explained to me why a right wing consultancy group helping national is so bad, does that mean the e.m.u supporting Labour is also bad?

bopman2008-07-09 21:15:19

Ok here it is. Crosby and Textor are a negative emotive campaign dynamo. Among the things they have done, is several of John Howard's notorious wedge campaigns. Nasty dishonest campaigns targeting deep held fears and low on information are their trade mark.

These included wins after pandering to racism and anti-immigration paranoia with a straight out lie that  the Tampa boat people were 'throwing their babies off' in order to get into Australia. It is famously Crosby Textor.

Next time around he ran the equally dishonesy 'interest rates will rise under Labor', despite huge spending promises all round.

The E.M.U. are a legitimate lobby group, who like say, Business New Zealand or the EMA (employers and manufacturers association) actually represent a bunch of New Zealanders who want to get their slice.

Crosby and Textor have no loyalty to New Zealand, or much interest in it outside their brief, which is the National campaign. They are amoral. They don't care if they turn one section of New Zealand against each other, spread misinformation, lies or whip up anger and hate where there is little call for it.

Another thing they have done in Australia is push polling which is calling up and tarring a candidate by association.

They called up a bunch of people in a tight electorate and said 'how would you feel about candidate x if they had said they supported abortions in the 9th month?'

The candidate had, of course, not said anything of the kind, but the only purpose of the poll is to associate the candidate negatively with this emotive issue in peoples minds.

I could find out more but- here's the question of all the things that National have been critical of the government on have they

a) brought out a policy that would address the problem?
b) claimed to be ambitious for the future of hardworking New Zealanders 5 times.
c) shut up about the issue, ie wage levels, lake levels, etc as soon as it is out of the news and moved onto the next cheap attack.

It's nasty, and its what is behind the nice Mr Key and his invisible party and policy.

martinb2008-07-10 00:50:56

Yawn. f**k it.

I think Labour are damaging the country more than helping it and I doubt National would do much better. Immigration anyone?

I'm going to vote labour this year.

I love this vote buying thing that national supporter say (not that i'm cliaming you are LG...just a general observation).  I would say that large tax cuts with no plan on how to pay for them is a better example of vote buying.