Warnie's only there to warm up for the Ashes.
Dropping F bombs and slandering the opposition from the commentary box?
Its Summer! - the Fever Cricket Thread.
Hesson - "2015 World cup is the primary focus". Why? You don't gain crediblitily in international cricket by doing well in World Cups - we've done that, probably made more semi finals than any other team in the last 20 years, it's meaningless. We aren't going to get more than 2 test series even if we win the world cup but remain 8th in tests. I honestly couldn't even tell you who won the last WC, I remember it was a farce with the dark and lights, but don't even really remember who was playing. We haven't given a shit about test cricket since Bracewell took over when we were in the top 3 in the world, and our cricket has inarguably been dropping steadily since that point with one disaster (on and off field) after another.
Warnie's only there to warm up for the Ashes.
Dropping F bombs and slandering the opposition from the commentary box?
Reminds me of Jamie Howe last season v Wellington at Pukekura Park when he was miked up and swearing like a trooper, including "the bowlers are fucking rubbish"! Good times.
Hesson - "2015 World cup is the primary focus". Why? You don't gain crediblitily in international cricket by doing well in World Cups - we've done that, probably made more semi finals than any other team in the last 20 years, it's meaningless. We aren't going to get more than 2 test series even if we win the world cup but remain 8th in tests. I honestly couldn't even tell you who won the last WC, I remember it was a farce with the dark and lights, but don't even really remember who was playing. We haven't given a shit about test cricket since Bracewell took over when we were in the top 3 in the world, and our cricket has inarguably been dropping steadily since that point with one disaster (on and off field) after another.
Kind of proves your point, India won it in 2011 at home. The one in the dark was the WC before.
Hesson - "2015 World cup is the primary focus". Why? You don't gain crediblitily in international cricket by doing well in World Cups - we've done that, probably made more semi finals than any other team in the last 20 years, it's meaningless. We aren't going to get more than 2 test series even if we win the world cup but remain 8th in tests. I honestly couldn't even tell you who won the last WC, I remember it was a farce with the dark and lights, but don't even really remember who was playing. We haven't given a shit about test cricket since Bracewell took over when we were in the top 3 in the world, and our cricket has inarguably been dropping steadily since that point with one disaster (on and off field) after another.
Kind of proves your point, India won it in 2011 at home. The one in the dark was the WC before.
Wow, ooops. I guess one day cricket just tends to blend together for me. SSDD. Edit: Even so I should have known/remembered 2011 was the subcontinent and 2007 was the Windies! Just doesn't feel like 5 years ago.
It's hard to believe we were 3rd in the world within the last 10 years. I couldn't even dream of us being top 3 at the moment.
The only good thing about losing within three days is the huge amount of net training we get, maybe it's a terrible NZC master-plan
The only good thing about losing within three days is the huge amount of net training we get, maybe it's a terrible NZC master-plan
It's hard to believe we were 3rd in the world within the last 10 years. I couldn't even dream of us being top 3 at the moment.
While I'm here, on the Warne/Samuels soap opera - I thought it was a joke that Warne denied throwing the ball at Samuels intentionally but CA then found him NOT GUILTY of that act. And Warne in typical fashion then says he is disappointed with the harshness of the penalty and was considering an appeal. He's lucky he didn't get four games and a bigger fine!!
Had been enjoying watching 'The Warne Show' in the BBL but now I remember why I hated him so much when he was playing real cricket.
The only good thing about losing within three days is the huge amount of net training we get, maybe it's a terrible NZC master-plan
I have a question which someone who's played higher-level cricket than me might be able to answer - What is the point of throwdowns? Surely it doesn't help the batsman to prepare for test pacemen.
The only good thing about losing within three days is the huge amount of net training we get, maybe it's a terrible NZC master-plan
I have a question which someone who's played higher-level cricket than me might be able to answer - What is the point of throwdowns? Surely it doesn't help the batsman to prepare for test pacemen.
Great for drilling technique. See ball, get into correct position, play correct shot. Builds correct shotmaking through muscle memory I guess, and has the benefit of being able to consistently put the ball in the area you are trying to work on. I disagree with the Hamish Marshall (I think it was) approach of only having throw downs and not facing net bowlers as it doesn't really help decision making.
But my level of cricket certainly hasn't been at the top-level so someone else might be able to help more.
Pretty much what aitkenmike said. Muscle memory and building shot selection as an instinct. You can also work hard on ironing out technical flaws with repitition. A coach can throw the ball more accurately at the batsman to ensure he's working on the targeted shot/technique flaw. The bowlers will put it in all sorts of areas so it might be awhile before you can test the shot and focus on correcting it.
You might have read the stuff article this morning about "soup ladels" being used in the nets. These things (originally used by older/weaker people to throw a ball for their dog) are able to generate more speed and bounce (as it comes from a higher release position) and also saves the coaches arm from injury or fatigue. A coach can start to lose power and precision over a training and get injured from repeatedly hammering the arm over the season. It's become quite popular, with only a few staunch coaches who prefer to keep it 'old school'. They are custom made for cricket now and some coaches say they can bowl a variation of deliveries with them.
Thanks topleft, I was wondering what they were going on about!
I'm sure there's a perfectly reasonable argument against the next point I'm going to raise too - Why doesn't anyone have a net session before they go out to bat? Surely it'd help, you'd get your eye in etc, the only problems could be risk of injury or logistical problems (if the nets are too far away).
Slightly radical but I'm surprised I haven't heard of anyone doing something like that.
I never liked it, as I guess it's more to save confidence. Get bowled in the nets could translate to getting bowled in the game. Throw downs gets bat on ball etc as mentioned above. But then I've never really played a very high level of cricket either.
Some batsmen I've seen at the basin do have a net session before they bat, but if they're due in next I guess they tend to sit in the pavilion and mentally prepare. A few mates of mine in teams over the years have gone straight from the nets and out to bat, but it isn't very popular.
Thanks topleft, I was wondering what they were going on about!
I'm sure there's a perfectly reasonable argument against the next point I'm going to raise too - Why doesn't anyone have a net session before they go out to bat? Surely it'd help, you'd get your eye in etc, the only problems could be risk of injury or logistical problems (if the nets are too far away).
Slightly radical but I'm surprised I haven't heard of anyone doing something like that.
It does happen at grounds where the facilities are available. can't do it when you are possibly in shortly (which rules out the NZ team doing it at the moment!) , but I remember watching a test 10 years or so ago on a trip to Auckland, and players in the middle order were having a net session out the back at the number 2 ground, so it does happen. I guess the other issue is the availability of net bowlers. At the time before going out to bat the point is more about getting into picking up the ball from the hand and getting moving and bat to ball, so throw downs suffice.
Yep it happens more often than you think. Some guys even have a few indoor quickly just to feel the ball come out of the middle a few times.
Grant Elliott..... Really selectors???? That has to be the worst call-up in a while, and that is saying something.
Just went back to last year's Ford Trophy to see whether I was being too harsh - nope, he averaged 30.
Grant Elliott..... Really selectors???? That has to be the worst call-up in a while, and that is saying something.
Just went back to last year's Ford Trophy to see whether I was being too harsh - nope, he averaged 30.
So our solution to getting pumped by the Yarpies is to be Yarpies? Might as well put some recruitment officers over there to bring some talent to NZ.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/8166440/Munro-Wagner-get-call-up-for-second-test
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/8165160/Grant-Elliott-still-keen-to-get-the-job-done
So our solution to getting pumped by the Yarpies is to be Yarpies? Might as well put some recruitment officers over there to bring some talent to NZ.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/8166440/Munro-Wagner-get-call-up-for-second-test
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/8165160/Grant-Elliott-still-keen-to-get-the-job-done
Add Watling to that mix too, we are over a quarter of the way there! Might have to bring back Kruger...
So our solution to getting pumped by the Yarpies is to be Yarpies? Might as well put some recruitment officers over there to bring some talent to NZ.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/8166440/Munro-Wagner-get-call-up-for-second-test
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/8165160/Grant-Elliott-still-keen-to-get-the-job-done
So our solution to getting pumped by the Yarpies is to be Yarpies? Might as well put some recruitment officers over there to bring some talent to NZ.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/8166440/Munro-Wagner-get-call-up-for-second-test
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/8165160/Grant-Elliott-still-keen-to-get-the-job-done
Ronchi was born here tbf.
So our solution to getting pumped by the Yarpies is to be Yarpies? Might as well put some recruitment officers over there to bring some talent to NZ.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/8166440/Munro-Wagner-get-call-up-for-second-test
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/8165160/Grant-Elliott-still-keen-to-get-the-job-done
Ronchi was born here tbf.
Add Watling to that mix too, we are over a quarter of the way there! Might have to bring back Kruger...
We could always add a Cachopa or two aswell.
Excited to see Munro get a go, hope he does well. Worried that McCullum says he 'hoped he could play a counter attacking role at number 7".
Add Watling to that mix too, we are over a quarter of the way there! Might have to bring back Kruger...
We could always add a Cachopa or two aswell.
That's a bit of an annoyance - apparently Fulton is playing for Canty tonight instead of flying back over a few days ago, I know nobody wants him to play but it doesn't make sense having a squad guy not even over there, reeks of cheapness. As did the Munro/McClenaghan/Wagner (short form) call-ups.
Why am I watching this?
Why am I watching this?
Actually, self-banning ourselves from test cricket for a while, Zimbabwe stylez, wouldn't be the worst idea in the world.
BRING THEM HOME NOW.
THIS IS HONKING.
I wouldn't expect them to win a test in South Africa, or maybe not even to be able to sneak a draw, but is it too much to ask to expect them to show a bit of fight?
Hey, at least we are 'aggressive'! :P
Screw 'aggressive'. SHOW SOME F'N HEART! :@
HESSON OUT
I wouldn't expect them to win a test in South Africa, or maybe not even to be able to sneak a draw, but is it too much to ask to expect them to show a bit of fight?
Yes.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/8171347/Boock-Time-for-return-of-incredible-sulk
Richard Boock is an idiot, who agitated for McCullum to be captain right through the initial battle, and continued to agitate for McCullum to replace Taylor from the moment it was awarded to Taylor.
Wow, I posted that before I read most of the article, but I just can't get over the sort of vitriol this guy seems to have for Taylor, and blame shifting from McCullum and Hesson. This is near the most ridiculous thing I have read about this whole debacle
People talk about the disgrace of Newlands. Well, there was only one disgrace, and he was watching on from New Zealand.
I wouldn't expect them to win a test in South Africa, or maybe not even to be able to sneak a draw, but is it too much to ask to expect them to show a bit of fight?
Yes.
Hesson with the comedy gold
"We are going to have a lot of work to do over the next few days"
Mike: You team will not see out today.
another 3 day test, everyone must look forward to playing golf on day 4 and 5 when they play us, even Bagladesh would be looking forward to an extra day off.