My NZness has gone!!

Expect replies during his show 9am - 12pm

Seriously.  Waste. Of. Time.

All you do is give him a smug self-satisfying feeling of right, and an ego stroke as he no doubt thinks his clueless replies are witty.

Best Ignored.

Sounds familiar...

When did this become about Feverish?

Oh yeah. Guys..
Try not to implement the Fever. Keep it personal.

Anyone, and I mean ANYONE getting the Fever involved in this will be banned for so long they may never see the innerweb choobs again.

I think I've posted it on every page.

Any jokes about his missus should be avoided too.
They are too easy

If you really want to hurt Michael Laws.  Two words:

 

I think I see a testicle...

Didn't they get back together? 

And I see your point about not wanting to make him feel smug etc, HN, but there's no way in hell that that can outweigh insulting him.  We've all wanted to do it for years.

He announced yesterday that they are getting married.
I was referring more to the image.

  I fail.  Didn't realise it was her.  

Who's joking? Although the picture doesn't show it I think she wears the pants.

Why are you guys biting? He's an insignificant speck of dirt on the mountain that is existence, let it go.

He'll only end up making you guys look like chumps anyway.

 

Yo Mr Incrediable, you might want to edit out your last name espc with you looking for a job.. One of the first thing a employer does is google names.. and you don't give a shinning impression Scottishbhoy2009-10-21 10:30:46

My thoughts on this matter are here:

So what's with pam Corkery, where does she fit into ther equation? Just wondering.

"Wanganui Mayor Michael Laws says an award given to a group of Otaki primary school pupils for standing up to him is a joke

Douche.

No one has mentioned that our "Un-New Zealanders" won 6 - 0  today!!!!

Palm, meet face.

How does this guy get into power?

what concerns me is the number of people who agree with him in the comments section

I think that Mr. Laws thinks that, If a beneficiary or scum bag gets the snip.
The magical stalk will do a U-Turn and the baby he was going to have will go to someone good.

lol is this guy for real?

Ein Whanganui, Ein Volk, Ein Laws

So...did he say it or not? How can you deny comments, and then put them in context...

CHILD:  "Mum, Michael is poking tongues at me"

MOTHER:   "I've told you, don't pay him any attention, it only encourages him."

While it's Michael Laws saying it (thus rendering it stupid) I can see where he's coming from.

I wouldn't be up in arms, if violent, gang member, drug-addicted, alcohol-abusers got the snip at all.

But won't happen, and would be so prone to abuse that I couldn't support it.

I heard him on the radio make his comments and its a continuation of a theme with him.  He did not say all beneficiaries should be offered money for sterilisation. He believes that there is an underclass of criminal beneficiary drug taking brown people (all together, not seperate groups) that if they were sterilised would reduce crime.  I completely disagree with this, completely and utterly, but he is not saying all welfare recipients should be sterilised.  Basically that social workers know 10 or so families in each town that make up a large proportion of crime and that the community would benefit from these people not having children.  I think this is wrong, but I also think its unfair to bash a guy for something he didn't say.

The more I'm thinking about it the better this is sounding.  Judging by the comments on that stuff article about 80% of people misinterpret 'underclass' as lowerclass.  A good half of the comments opposed to it reek of stupidity, saying how this sterilization would kill innocent children etc.  It's contraception, that isn't killing children - suppose they could be Catholic.

I think it's a good thing if violent offenders are to be sterilized.  People will no doubt moan about this infringing on their freedom, but hey, prison does that and not to many people think that prisons should be done away with completely.  This is only one more form of it and is done with the intention of stopping violence and murder of the worst kind before it can start.  These people are no good and while, yes, kids can emerge from these backgrounds and be good, proper, productive members of society, why risk it?  Why risk years of emotional abuse, years of physical abuse and possibly murder for the slim chance of a child breaking away from the family way?  I don't have stats to back this up but often it's just a cycle: a child will treat their family as they have seen their family treated.

People can genuinely change and turn their lives around so couldn't the form of sterilization be one that is reversable?  Those who actually wanted children could have a parole officer-type figure who could monitor them to see if they'd really changed and if they really were responsible enough to parent.

Many people will just say how this will effect the poor and non-white groups within NZ, and yes it probably will due to the domestic violence issues many of these communities face.  You would hope it would be used just as stringently on mid-upper class white families (though I can see this not being applied quite as stringently in practice).

Not saying this proposition is flaw-proof, of course.  It is open to abuse and hard to define who the 'underclass' is.  Added to that, those who got the snip would be far less likely to use contraceptives than usual and STD's would spread far quicker.  It also won't do anything in cases where people without a criminal record abuse children.

I've seen a number of people mention how this is similar to the Nazi eugenics thing practiced earlier last century but that is complete garbage.  This is a plan to protect children and reduce crime, the nazi's on the other hand wanted to breed out (according to wiki): criminal, degenerate, dissident, feeble-minded, homosexual, idle, insane, religious, and weak individuals in an effort to remove obstacles from their 'master race'.  People also mentioned similarities to Spartan society and the American scheme in the 30s, again different but I can't be bothered elaborating.

Basically NZ has appalling child abuse figures and it's good that somebody has finally stepped up and made a proposition (just a pity it had to be Laws).

Of course parent education and various other initiatives should be run simultaneously. 

When you see cases like that of Nia Glassie among others you see that something's got to be done.  If they think of a better idea, then great, but nothing seems to have worked at all so far.

Also, think of how good this would be for local economies.  Less disaffected youth causing havoc on the streets, less taxes being spent on giving benefits to violent individuals who have extra children based on the extra money they can get out of the system for it etc.  Decisions like this shouldn't be made based on money, but on those who suffer, but I can definitely see this as being an incentive on the side for some politicians.

Aware that many people will disagree with this and you're free to do so.  I'm keen to know your ideas to curb this abuse.  I by no means think this idea is definitely the answer but it appears to be the best idea we currently have.
loyalgunner2009-10-31 04:25:43

And nothing will 'work'. There will always be 'bad' people, so when people say 'so what's your solution, then?' it's a bit hollow really, because there isn't one. In Stuff today there's an article about a 13yo being being up by an older girl, and 70 kids just watching and encouraging them. Are all these 70 kids 'bad'? I doubt it - most would just be afraid to help the girl because others would beat them up/ give them sh*t. Everyone is capable of acting like c**ts, especially in a group situation. Sterilising certain 'groups' doesn't change that.

And  having a bad state won't makes things better, only worse. The state can still commit crimes - not just the underclass - and just as abhorrent. One person's definition of crime is anothers good policy.

Basically, read 1984 if you haven't already, or Brave New World, for excellent articulations of the above.