Obama

Obama

Should anyone be confused after today's media overkill, Barack Obama is the President of the USA and NOT New Zealand.



overkill
dairyflat2009-01-21 18:29:28

He's neither American or Kiwi, Mr O'Bama is an Irish Catholic vying for a spot in the Dail Eireann.

Personally I supported McCain but they're both good men.  I hope Obama does well.

what i heard was the clothes he was wearing were bullet proof thats what they said on fox news last night at about 1am so it maybe complete bullsh** since its fox but if thats true his clothes would have been pretty heavy

Corrected - case in point: BHP Billiton just announced a shedload* of job cuts in Aussie.



(*Shedload = 3000+)

You having a laugh? A Black man was proclaimed President of the USA this morning, this is the USA that forty years ago didn't have a problem with Black people not being allowed to vote. I dont think you could get overkill in this scenario

This is exactly right and the exact reason he is the president. Why else have blacks voted so largely for him?

That mantra's always trotted out and... this time...   we may just be going to find out if it's true!!!!!  

Well I disagree. We had overkill today. As my friend in NY put it "Sadly, the world seems obsessed with America for better or worse.".


That's disagree in the "let's discuss this" sense not in the "you got a problem with that" sense.

People love a great story, and this is one in every sense of the word

This would be stupid anyway. If your going to shoot someone it would be in the head.

Also, excuse my ignorance; but is this the first time a black man has run for president?
HarryPeters2009-01-21 18:31:56

Nope, it was the first time a black man became a major nominee but Al Sharpton ran for the Democratic nomination, Carol Mosely Baun (?) ran for one nomination, has been a few but never got that far

Jesse Jackson too.

How do you two know that people voted for Obama just because he's black? Did the 52 million who did so ring you up personally to tell you that was the case?

The African-American population in the US is smaller than the Maori population in NZ proportionally-speaking; so obviously A LOT of white/Hispanic/Asian/Native Americans voted for Obama too, and maybe, just maybe, they voted for him not because he was black, but because they believed that voting for him would be a better thing for them, their families, America, and maybe even the world. I mean I don't know, I didn't really speak to any of those 52 million, but I'm just throwing it out there like you guys....

El G 95% of Black Americans voted for Obama, whats he done thats made this particular race vote for him so much?

It is overkill.

I did not hear one person today say Obama is going to do well because of his policy on xyz...

I never thought I would write this or hear myself say it but Bill OReily had a good point yesterday, the genuis of Obamas campaign and message was that it could mean any number of things to any number of people. Change we can believe in could be a black man in the presidency or it could be liberal control of the white house or it could be an end to the war in Iraq. People took from his mesages of hope and change whatever they wanted.
And he isn't light on policy, he's only light on policy if you dont know how to find out what his policy is

Majority not majority and Black not back. (Sorry had to do that )

On to your point, although you are right it is a well known fact that huge amounts of black people decided to vote for the first time because of Obama.

But he is light on experience, no matter how much you try to find it.

2ndBest2009-01-21 22:41:11

Ok I will forgive you.

But another thing to note is that in the primaries in South Carolina (Which has a large black population) 90% voted for Obama so did it really matter that he was a Democrat/what he believed in.

Eh, primaries are for party members only (or in some states, independents, too)? So he got the vote of 90% of Democratic voters in SC. Maybe they're all just a bunch of misogynists, so didn't want to vote for Hillary?

90% of black democratic voters. But El G surely you agree the colour of his skin helped him even if only a small bit?

I agree with Gangsta.  Got so many votes due to race.  I'm sure some people voted against him due to his race but those who voted for him because of his race would've outnumbered them by many times.  If both candidates were of the same race then the presidential race would've been far closer.
loyalgunner2009-01-22 00:55:43

Well it would of been Clinton vs McCain.

@ Wellyphoenix.  I'm sure McCain got a number of votes because Obama was a balck muslim terrorist in a lot of the southern states.  I'm sure it all evened out in the end.

No not at all he would of got a few thousand votes while Obama would of got atleast a million votes.

You're speculating - how do you know this for a fact?

Sure a lot of black people voted for him - but maybe because they actually believe he's in a better position to understand their problems and issues and deal with them than a white candidate?

Why is that such a big problem for you guys?

How do you know any of this? And more importantly, why does it matter?el grapadura2009-01-22 17:42:32

yesterday's party cost ten's of millions, when the economy has shat itself. chchnix2009-01-22 20:59:52

John Campbell is still going on about it. So far Campbell has managed to make himself a complete dick. Lonegunmen2009-01-22 21:23:42

Yes but the US media won't print this. If it was Bush they would be showing every single dollar.

El G my problem is that a man/women shouldn't be voted in based on the colour of his/her skin or looks.wellyphoenixfan2009-01-22 21:26:42

But that's oversimplifying things. How about this - millions of evangelical Christians voted for George W. in 2000 and 2004. George W is ane evangelical Christian. Is it wrong that all these evangelical Christians voted for him? No. They share similar experiences and have similar ideological belifs and values.

It's completely natural to vote for people you have common ground with - everyone does this. It's therefore only natural that the majority of the black voters would vote for Obama, since they have more common ground with him than with an old guy from Arizona. That's how democracy works.

He did in a way. The inaugural ball had finger food and snacks instead of the usual champagne and caviar.

But I guess he could have made more of a statement, one of the Presidents in the 1920s (I think Harding, but not 100% on it) deliberately did not have an inaugural ball in order to set an example of thrift, and FDR held charity balls instead at his inaugurations.

No your wrong their El G the people who voted for Bush voted for him as you said because of beliefs. (Which are generally very much the same because of the religion). What makes you (or them) think that Obama has the same beliefs as all these other black people?

I know what you mean El G and you are right it is democracy, but someones appearance shouldn't be what people vote for, it should be their beliefs, values etc.

I could ask you the same question - what makes you think he DOES NOT have similar values and beliefs as many other black people?

What I'm trying to say is that if you're a poor black person somewhere in Alabama, Mississippi, Louisana, or anywhere, you know that the chances are you'll probably be better off if a half-black guy from the Democrats is the President, than a really old white guy from the GOP. It's just common sense and self-interest.

There are also a lot of liberal African Americans who voted for Obama (but who also would've probably voted for Hilary if she'd been running), just as there are conservative African Americans who didn't vote for Obama becuse they disagree with his liberal views and ideology.

The point is, the majority of black Americans who voted for Obama did so because they thought their lives and their future would be better under Obama's presidency than McKain's. Self-interest, common goals and values, call it what you want, but that's how politics works.



el grapadura2009-01-22 22:23:04