Racism in NZ.

Children.  Behave.  Or take it to stormfront.

lol I just took offence to Buffy belittling Robb's opinion simply because he is a supposed uncultured ozzie wether he drinks xxxx or not  normally I'd be quite happy to make digs at australians myself but seemed wrong in a thread about racist behaviour

Yeah, except this time i wasn't taking the piss. If i was i would of left my original comment there and not returned to the thread.

I'm from NSW, I'd be shot for drinking XXXX  I usually go for Cascade Lager myself.

It's not racist it's just fact. They have no history of a culture or system of shared beliefs or traditions within their race. Jandals and barbies don't come close to counting as tradition. It's the same with white New Zealanders.

Better than learning from experience im sure

So what's tradition? When does something become tradition? Is there a time limit?

Buffy, I think that comments like yours are often why Caucasian society can be so cold towards our ethnic minorities - in particular Polynesian and Maori. 

  When my grandmother was at school she would get the cane for speaking Maori. In her own country, speaking her own language, she got the cane.

I'm not fluent. I know most common words and phrases. I can comfortably tell people who i am, where i am from, and what my heritage is (family, mountain, river etc). Apart from that i would probably struggle unfortunately.

Buffy's age is a little misleading:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gianluigi_Buffon

Buffy's age is a little misleading:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gianluigi_Buffon

Personally I've heard way worse first hand stories about things in the last 20 years done to Serbians and Croats than were done to maori 200 years ago

I'd rather not speak about it with my white friends as it can only cause disruption and trouble.

You'd rather just bottle it up? Sounds like you've got some sh*t to get off your chest, why not talk to your white mates about it?

This sh*t got deep

That doesn't change the fact that no culture exists within white New Zealand.[/QUOTE]

Hmmm, not sure about that Buffy. Take that great European import Christianity as just one example. Now you could split hairs and argue that there's a difference between religion and culture but the impact Christianity has on all our daily lives - whether Christian or not - is definitely cultural.

Think about something as fundamental as the way we measure time using the Gregorian calendar. All the important holidays we take are Christian celebrations (don't try and tell me that Christmas isn't a major cultural event for everyone in NZ regardless of religious persuasion). Our national anthem is God Defend NZ. Christian teachings also underpin most of our morals, values and our legal system. I could go on.

Not only does white New Zealand (as you put it) have a culture, as you point out yourself it has had a massive impact on Maori culture over the last 150 years. As Michael King says in the conclusion to his Penguin History of NZ:

[QUOTE]The Maori culture of of the 21st century is not Maori culture frozen at 1769, nor at 1840. Nor should it be. It changed and grew dynamically according to changing needs and circumstances prior to the 18th century, and it continues to do so in the 21st century.

Similarly, Pakeha culture continues to borrow and to learn from Maori. That was one of the features that made it different from its European cultures of origin.

That wouldn't be anything new would it Mr Inc. Pakeha have downtrodden on the Maori people for generations. Only recently has that started to change for the better. When my grandmother was at school she would get the cane for speaking Maori. In her own country, speaking her own language, she got the cane.

But keep being cold, it's not like you owe us anything.

My grandparents often say stuff that makes me cringe but I know there is no malice behind it - simply ignorance and the fact they just don't understand