Racism in NZ.

Racism in NZ.

What say you?

Only in Christchurch.

Today's Dominion on page B4. That's proof for me that NZ is. 

That thing on campbell live last night about people having to change their names to english sounding names was a good indication.

Sadly, I would do that though.
If I got an email from a Jason Little and a Runjhab Mishkmahlani I would go for Jason.

I also hate it when I call 018 and the person answers has a heavy indian accent and they say, "Hello, welcome to 018 you are talking to John" (Or whatever) I think, "Good try buddy"

I know I am a tad racist. But Stereotypes dont help.
Like at work, If an Asian orders a sub, and they have an asian accent (Because some with nz accent dont), they always want it toasted.

Im also a Wog.Stefan2010-05-11 21:55:15

in some ways it is but you also have to look at the fact that a very maori orienated movie Boy is just a smidge off becoming NZ's top grossing kiwi made movie and that Poi-E is back on the charts

On a slight side track I did notice that over 90% of the All Whites selected are caucasian which in one way is surprising since caucasians are far from 90% of the population but not knowing the mix of junior football players and wether they are slowly becoming more ethnicly diverse I just guessed that that is partly due to the fact that with pacific islanders who are often bigger by far than pakeha kids at 10-15 that rugby is more appealing and that smaller towns (like Wairoa) still consider oval ball king and will be slower in switching allegiance. but I'm curious as to how long it will be until asians and african immigrants are playing at a level to be considered. I must admit I'd like to see the All Whites being not all white
stealthkiwi2010-05-11 22:08:17

I also admit I hate reading Whanganui in the papers - the town voted and the majority didn't want it changed so I think it was a nanny state kowtowing move

Don't get me started SK.

Racial stereotypes are great time savers.

Bad example,could be said thats popular amongst non-maori as they like to laugh at the stupidity of the guy on the movie. Also,the amount of maori that went to see that movie was massive,a huge bulk of the audience.

I don't have a single friend (of any race) who hasn't seen Boy... I loved it cause briefly went to Waimarama school which was much like that one and because its just a bloody great movie. And I think the focus is more on the kids and how they see their father rather than him being stupid... and lets face it the thicko of the Crazy Horses is the white guy. There are a lot of urban maori who wd relate less to that movie and consider it bizarre than myself or others who grew up in small town NZ and/or in that era.

Taika is a Wgtn institution - and I went to all his and Jermaine Clements early gigs way before Flight of the Conchords was conceived and I think arty city types embraced the movie first. I haven't read anywhere that maori were the majority of audience numbers. And I'm pretty sure they weren't for his first movie Eagle vs Shark which was definitely a quirky wgtn arty cuba st type flick
stealthkiwi2010-05-11 23:11:18

Fair enough. I was just saying some could take it that way (laughing at the dads stupidity),but you are right those people would be the minority by far.

I think lots of dads are stupid no matter what their race and lots of kids dream of their fathers being extra cool than the reality. I'm sure there will be lots of white NZlanders seeing that movie for whom it will confirm their already held stereotype but hopefully they still see it as a great picture about families. As its running at all the art house cinemas like Penthouse and paramount and the Lighthouse you'll find the more white liberal types (myself included) tend to view films there rather than the mainstream theatres. I hope AirNZ picks it up and plays on international flights as its a great ambassador for kiwi film making and for laid back kiwi living and its also funny as

yeah I love Eagle vs Shark and its so funny seeing films with people you know in them

They shd play Boy along with Once were Warriors as two totally different windows into native culture. Warriors affected me strongly at the time (and I'm sure turned many people racist) because I grew up in poor state housing with families around us beating ea other up and cause my mum ran a woman's refuge so I knew it was an unfortunately fair view of a usually hidden part of NZ life - tho it's def not a maori only problem
stealthkiwi2010-05-11 23:45:12

Fallon, Reid and Christie are all Maori or part Maori. Wish granted

Me personally, I'd like the 23 All Whites to consist of the 23 best eligible footballers, regardless of race.

I think there is a sector of society which is genuinely racist. I also think there is another sector of society who come across as racist because they are so misinformed.

and in Nelson, saw this first hand over the weekend.

Having lived in Blenheim, Nelson and Christchurch I'd say they all have a very similar culture.

You're white though aren't you?

He's Australian 

Ok. So he's a white Australian. Which means he has zero culture or tradition. Therefore it doesn't matter if "one of his own" doesn't get picked for a national football side (you can use other examples here too) because there is no feeling of shared importance or success amongst his particular race of people (white Australians).

It's not racist it's just fact. They have no history of a culture or system of shared beliefs or traditions within their race. Jandals and barbies don't come close to counting as tradition. It's the same with white New Zealanders.

stealthkiwi2010-05-12 09:09:32

Do you have Maori blood in you though?

Then it isn't the same.

It would be like myself suggesting i lived in France for 5 years, spoke fluent French and embraced myself within their culture and traditions. Doesn't make me French though does it?

That doesn't change the fact that no culture exists within white New Zealand.

I think you will find it's spelt Kulcha in this context.

it doesnt matter where you are from or what color you were born, you have a culture and heritage regardless of whether you choose to acknowlege it or not. thses things exist as a matter of course. our actions and behaviour today are setting the course for our heritage and history of tomorrow.

You're bracketing England and America together? 

America has only existed for a couple hundred years. England has existed for a couple thousand years.

Dear oh dear

being racially intolerant of others is historically part of numerous cultures all around the world

Children.  Behave.  Or take it to stormfront.

I am behaving. I haven't broken any rules. I've just stood up for what i believe in.

lol I just took offence to Buffy belittling Robb's opinion simply because he is a supposed uncultured ozzie wether he drinks xxxx or not  normally I'd be quite happy to make digs at australians myself but seemed wrong in a thread about racist behaviour stealthkiwi2010-05-12 09:42:21

and also I think its funny that Buffy is arguing with me since I'm the one who originally said I'd like to see a more ethnicly made up non all white All Whites

Depends on your definition of white :P I've got Irish and Italian blood in me. Historically, US immigration counted Italian immigrants as non-white, and Irish immigrants as "White, but we hate them too"  As for lack of culture/tradition, if I thought you were being serious, my response would be vaffanculo and p�g mo th�n   Or as an Australian, yes, jandals and BBQ do count as part of a culture. If you disagree, go to uni and ask a sociology or anthropology professor.