Silly question but (that doesn't usually stop me)

Silly question but (that doesn't usually stop me)

Telecom don't use sim cards.

And vodafone are fine. Unless you're an addicted to texting 12 year old (that's SMS for all you aussies).

Telecom Mobile is New Zealand's second-largest mobile operator, with about 49% [13] market-share, slightly behind Vodafone. Telecom used to operate AMPS, Digital D-AMPS/TDMA and currently operates CDMA. AMPS and D-AMPS service was sold under the 025 brand and CDMA services are sold under the 027 brand. Telecom turned off the 025 network on 31 March 2007 [14]. Most of its customers had migrated to the 027 network. The 027 CDMA EV-DO network is marketed as T3G, a 2 MB third-generation mobile system.

On the 8 June 2007, Telecom announced a plan to build a hybrid W-CDMA/UMTS-CDMA network [15], based on the WCDMA HSPA technology, to replace its current CDMA EV-DO network. The network is planned to go online in November 2008 [16] running at 850 MHz instead of the usual 3G 2100 MHz. Telstra's Next G (in Australia) and AT&T Wireless also have networks running on 850Mhz, which can cover greater geographic distances and penetrate buildings more effectively than higher frequencies. Current CDMA phones are guaranteed by Telecom to work until at least June 2012.

Effectively EV-DO CDMA presently - migration to 3G UMTS completed by 2012

ginger_eejit2008-04-23 10:35:14

Disclaimer : The Eejit may (or may not) have a vested interest in some or all of these networks...

Telescum will never be up with the play when it comes to networks....CDMA is shi*te, their EVDO addons is only just finished being tested and has an average performance at best, Vodafone has a clear path to ver al future investment in the direction of growth for their network, the only true 3G network is on Vodafone.

theprof - bought to you by Vodafone New Zealand.

There pretty much the same, both over priced. Pure Genius2008-04-23 10:55:13

i have a sim card in my telecom phone

i tell you its sh*te as well...they just upgraded me to the samsung worldwide...i hate it, infact i might just go back to my trusty old sanyo one it was much better

Telstra Mobile

Telstra Mobile is Australia's largest mobile telephone service provider, in terms of both subscriptions and coverage. Telstra operates Australia's largest GSM, CDMA and 3G mobile telephony networks in Australia, as well as a secondary network, branded Next G, which is the largest of its kind within Australia, and the fastest in the world.[7]. As of September 2007, Telstra has an estimated 9.3M mobile subscribers [8]. Telstra Mobile services are available in post-paid and prepaid payment types, known as Telstra Pre-Paid Plus (formerly communic8).

Next G, Telstra's primary 3G mobile network, was built between 2005 and 2006, and opened in October 2006. The Next G network is the largest mobile network in Australia, providing coverage over 100 times greater than any other provider in Australia[7]. The efficiency of the Next G network and its coverage has been challenged and scrutinised since its launch, causing Telstra to go back to areas with average coverage, particularly rural towns to improve its coverage footprint. On January 18 2008, Hon Stephen Conroy, Minister for Communications knocked back the proposal for Telstra to switch off its CDMA network on January 28 2008, saying that whilst the new network provided coverage equal to or better than the CDMA network, the range of handsets available was not yet satisfactory'.[9]

In late 2005, Telstra announced that it would replace its CDMA network with a new UMTS network incorporating HSDPA running at 850 MHz, later to be known as Next G. 850 MHz was chosen over the usual 3G 2100 MHz as it can cover much greater geographic distances. This network was implemented under contract by Ericsson as part of a project internally dubbed "Jersey" and launched on 6 October 2006. The CDMA network will continue to run until 28 April 2008,[10] however, migration onto the Next G network has already begun for customers who are pre-paid, still under contract, or have expiring contracts. Originally, the shutdown date had been set at 28 January 2008, but the federal government intervened, ordering a three month delay during which Telstra was to work towards resolving service levels in rural areas.[11]

Telstra was one of the only regional providers to provide i-mode services (running on GSM/GPRS and 3G 2100 MHz WCDMA on one particular handset), licensed from NTT DoCoMo. Telstra no longer sells i-mode, and this service is no longer available to existing customers as of December 10, 2007, with current customers being able to recontract with a new handset without incurring early termination charges. With the launch of the Next G network, Telstra now offers more advanced value added services such as mobile TV (branded Foxtel), and other generic internet services (BigPond Mobile, formerly Telstra Active).

Historically, Telstra attempted to break through to the value added services such as video streaming and content via its CDMA/1xRTT network with a service called Telstra MobileLoop. This offering was not commercially successful, and was abandoned in favour of a GSM i-Mode offering, and later Telstra Active 3G services which has now become Bigpond Mobile services and operates on the GSM, 3G 2100 and Next G networks. Telstra also is the only Australian mobile network provider supporting EDGE.[12]

Telecon has always been sh*t! Having worked for them for 9 years in the past, based at market grove, I can tell you first hand, that they were sh*t then and nothings changed.

Yep, i was there on the 2nd floor from 1986-1995 when 500 of us got shafted!

Try working for a Telecoms Network & Services provider, you know what is being sold and implemented in Europe & NA, triple play, mobile TV, FTTH etc - and know it's probably 10 years before we'll see anything like that here - v depressing.

I was a a tech demo in Sydney 4 years ago, where I go to see the ability of programming your PVR via your mobile phone. Fox have just released this technology in Oz.

NZ you still have to pay $600 for the priviledge of leasing a MySky

Although a monopolistic market more interested in protecting shareholder returns than infrastructure investment doesn't help.

Hiya Ginger, I work in both the residential and business faults service, dealing with everything from home phones, early internet (Packet Switching back then), business phones systems, cable work, exchange work, fire alarms, burlar alarms, all sorts of stuff.

3G
TNZ currently use EV-DO Rev A  down/up speeds 800/300Kbps
Vodafone use UMTS-HSDPA - To quote Vodafones FAQ...

'Vodafone 3G broadband is up to 50 times faster than dial-up peaking at 3.2Mbps. The average user will experience download speeds of 800kbps � 1.4Mbps and upload speeds up to 384kbps.'

2G
TNZ currently use CDMA 1.x 40-80kbps/40-80kbps
Vodafone currently use GSM-GPRS 50/15kbps

For TNZ's WCDMA (read UMTS) network they will initially use HSPA 14.4/5.7Mbps. I would be surprised if Vodafone didn't move to the same technology or HSPA* to remain competitive


For those in the industry might have noticed the news last week that Alcatel-Lucent, Nokia, Sony Ericsson & NEC have come to an agreement over licensing of the LTE technology. It's seen as the logical progression the the HSxPA technology for use on the WCDMA/UMTS networks and will offer max 100/50Mbps
ginger_eejit2008-04-23 12:22:24

Not if you want any decent speeds. Though the "broadband" that most companies sell over here is crap anyway.

I miss my cable...

I work in the same space (I'm just being fascetious)... so we can blame you for CDMA ? Hard News2008-04-23 13:44:21

Personally  - I'm more fixed services than wireless, but as you know my employer is heavily into both :)