yeah yeah whatever makes you feel better about stealing - oh wait almost stealing... i guess you have done nothing wrong then. move along.
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Dude drop it.
If you truly never pirate or have never watched a pirated movie, or have never watched anything outside of the licence agreement (e.g. watching sky, or a DVD with a big group) or have never streamed any content that was technically piracy then good on you.
But every "anti-piracy" person I have met consumes pirated or unpaid for content but doesn't want to do the deed themselves so forgive us if we don't care about your angle.
@Patrick - why don't you care what we do with our internet connections? I've "researched" some crazy shark over the years.
On topic - so that star wars movie was pretty great.
You said drop it and i pretty much had - but you make some interesting points, so i shall respond to those and then leave it there if you like.
Firstly I wasn't out to lynch Vader, i don't care if he or you or anyone pirates - but it's stealing so don't get offended if i call you a thief (even if it was mostly tongue in cheek).
In the movie industry pirating a movie while it's at cinema release is a big deal, studios will hunt people down - it's not the grey area (apparently) of pirating a live sports event. It's black and white theft - which is why Patrick didn't want any links posted on this site (not that anyone was in danger of doing that).
The mere fact Vader got so upset over a couple of tongue in cheek jibes is just how he is - I certainly wasn't trying to and don't want to lecture him in the wrongs and rights of pirating, he seems to have a good grip on those (as do you) and have made a moral call to ignore the legality of it.
Just don't get all pooey if someone calls you out - it's not like i'm the one breaking the law here.
FYI Vader - this has nothing to do with my current employer, despite your suggestions to the contrary.
Actually it's not black and white theft. It's a big messy grey area.
Black and white theft would be taking a physical copy so they are no longer in possession of something they were before.
Creating a copy means they still have everything they had before. The only "theft" is him getting a copy from someone else.
Just like if a kid draws a picture of mickey mouse is theft as they are creating a copy of something copyrighted. Or scanning a page of a book someone lent the kid so they can keep working on.their homework. Copying copyrighted material.
What it is is a loss of earnings. I.e. They didn't get money because he didn't pay them to view it the third time. The ethics around that question relies on him not paying for the content. Which would be very valid if he hadn't paid twice. Maybe he was never going to pay again. So what did the movie companies lose if he downloads a copy in the privacy of his own home and doesn't share it?
Surely if theft occurred they lost something?
And more importantly you wrote judgemental comments about his ethical standpoint. That's wrong unless you are a stellar individual who has never watched or read pirated content in any shape or form. which is possible but probably unlikely (based on previous experience with others sharing the same view).
You might believe that it's obvious it was tongue in cheek but it wasn't obvious to me. It was fudgeing rude which is why you had better be perfect.
E.g never watching sky or DVD's with a group of people where the fee for the number of people watching was not paid. Or watched a trailer someone saved or from a site not licenced. Or if you tried to watch a video and got the message it was taken down due to copyright issues, guess what, you tried to pirate you thief. Etc.
Oh and Patrick had to make the no link rule clear because that multi trillion dollar industry has a scary amount of power and the site can be taken down.
i take it you don't want me to drop it then?
so to paraphrase your POV it's less illegal to pirate the movie if you have paid to watch it once or several times? does it become less and less illegal the more times you have paid to watch something before you steal it? Theft doesn't have to be of a physical item.
it's just my viewpoint on it but your way wrong - it's illegal to pirate a movie that's on cinematic release - BLACK and WHITE.
What did i write about his ethical standpoint? that it was wrong? that's because it's illegal.. no math required here.
In regards to the tongue in cheek comment - i apologize if you found it rude - Vader continually does the same to other people so i'm not overly concerned about offending him with an off the cuff remark.
Like i said happy to let it lie, happy to even take down the offending remark if you want me to (or edit it) to prove i wasn't trying to be the movie police, i just like many others have an opinion and expressed it.
