The joys of job seeking.

12 replies · 145 views

almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
20/5/20

Permalink

almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I'd seen a job I was interested in but there was no indication of salary. So I asked them...

The reply was

"It is our policy to only discuss this at interview level. "

This, the policy, is not unusual but is so frustrating.

In another episode. A friend, recently, was at an interview when they told her the salary (low) and the hours were not as advertised, normal office, but 6pm to 3am...

Permalink

almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Totally agree with you. Why are these people so afraid to tell you the wages? Perhaps because you would know straight away how low they were going to try and get away with and that you would not be interested?

This is where the "Commercial Sensitivity" excuse gets produced. Years back they used to put the wages in the newspaper adverts, now they are too scared to incase no one applies. Skilled jobs deserve skilled wages but they still keep on trying to get away with minimum adult wages if they can. i can see the logic in it, but it's like some stupid dance that gets performed when it doesn't need to be.

Lonegunmen2009-06-19 12:08:28

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

Permalink

almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

Skilled jobs deserve skilled wages .

Permalink

almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

skilled jobs expect skilled applicants, also they want people who are interested in the job not the salary!

Queenslander 3x a year.

Permalink

almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

yeah, including the salary does solicit sh*tloads of fishing expeditions...

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

Permalink

almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Its ok if you are unemployed to not know the salary/wage coz you just need a paycheck. But if you are already employed and looking for a improvement in your situation, why waste your time getting to the interview stage just to be offered less than what you are currently earning?

Permalink

almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

Years back they used to put the wages in the newspaper adverts, now they are too scared to incase no one applies. Skilled jobs deserve skilled wages but they still keep on trying to get away with minimum adult wages if they can. i can see the logic in it, but it's like some stupid dance that gets performed when it doesn't need to be.

No such worries in the UK at the moment - record applications for jobs at McDonalds, Primark, Tesco's, etc. I also saw a headline the other day about someone getting laid off here every 30 seconds - he must be getting pretty pissed off with that.

Just checking the facts as I write this - McDonalds getting 2,200 job applications a day at the moment.

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

Permalink

almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Don't apply for the job then.

Permalink

almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

You could say that you expect market rates for the job.

If you already have experience at it then you should be able to name a figure or at least a range.

Although, legend has it that the first one to mention a figure in negotiations will be disadvantaged.

Permalink

almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

in my personal experience in the recruitment biz, its a disadvantage to employers to name the rate, cos at the end of the day they are looking for someone who can do the job,and have a pay range in mind. however if they find someone they like who is far better than expected then they have room to move as no figures have been mentioned. on the flip side if they find the right personality with less skills than desired they can also start you off at the lower end of the pay scale. This is harder to do if you've advertised the salary for a role, cos everyone who applies will be asking for the higher end, its human nature to go for the top, which makes negotiations very difficult.

Queenslander 3x a year.

Permalink

almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Its hard for some people as the salary quoted often doesnt represent the work requirements either. In my line of work (hospitality management) the highest figure you often see quoted (when a job bothers to mention a salary) is 40k, now I might earn more than that but thats beacuse im on a decent wage and work 6 days a week.

Its hard in Hospo to shop around for a new job as everyone knows everyone else in Wellington, and if word gets back to your boss that you a looking for something else, it can get kind of messy.

(not that im looking mind you)

Permalink

almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Bevan wrote:

You could say that you expect market rates for the job.

If you already have experience at it then you should be able to name a figure or at least a range.

<snip>

Yes, you would think so. I turned up for an interview some time back and found that were offering half of what I expected/the market rate. Waste of time for both parties.

Permalink