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4 Veitch? Stevo2009-05-20 15:00:44
4 Veitch? Stevo2009-05-20 15:00:44
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It's an odd one, the way Deaker was going on about it at the weekend you would think Vietch had done nothing wrong and had been hounded and persecuted just because he was a radio person, not because he was a media person who beat the snot out of a woman.
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He definitely got more tough attention that any other numpty who beats his wife though.
Life has to go on...
No sympathy for Veitch at all (who is a mediocre broadcaster anyway) but some respect for Deaker being prepared to put his own rep on the line to give a guy a second chance.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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He definitely got more tough attention that any other numpty who beats his wife though.
But most other numpties don't have 300K to use as hush money.
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So because he makes more money he's more guilty?
I don't think so. Same crime, different effective punishment.
99% of other offenders convicted of same thing (which he hasn't been yet by the way) would be back working already.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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No, one of the reasons he got more attention was because he paid her $300k to shut up about it and then it got out... that was because he has more money.
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There is nothing to stop him getting a job. Just not in the media. He wouldn't be the first person to take a job outside of their profession.
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Skin the dwarf alive. That's all I have to say.
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So I'm a builder who beats my wife. I earn $90k/year and nobody's heard of me. Do I need to spend any money buying her silence? No, because nobody in the media cares. I go back to building houses, and earn the same money.
I'm Tony Veitch. I earn whatever and beat my wife too. Being famous, my story is worth money, so the wife tries to sell it. I say to her, I'll pay you just as much not to put this in the Sunday News. I fail. So I am famous for beating my wife, and cannot work in my profession any more, but that's fair enough because, according to Sanday, I can always get a job as a taxi driver.
Justice is rarely just.
Which is why I say fair play to Deaker for giving Veitch a job, notwithstanding the fact that Veitch is a lamentable cretin for beating the wife in the first place and I won't watch him on the tele ever.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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As an aside, it's also a tidy bit of marketing for Deaker's show. Viz this entire thread.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Different rules when you work in the media. Is that right? Probably not. But that is how it is.
He would be better off keeping his head down until after he is found not guilty.
He would be better off keeping his head down until after he is found not guilty.
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So I'm a builder who beats my wife.� I earn $90k/year and nobody's heard of me.� Do I need to spend any money buying her silence?� No, because nobody in the media cares.� I go back to building houses, and earn the same money.
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I'm Tony Veitch.� I earn whatever and beat my wife too.� Being famous, my story is worth money, so the wife tries to sell it.� I say to her, I'll pay you just as much not to put this in the Sunday News.� I fail.� So I am famous for beating my wife, and cannot work in my profession any more, but that's fair enough because, according to Sanday, I can always get a job as a taxi driver.
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The reality is that high-profile people are generally held to a greater amount of public scrutiny in whatever they do. I guess that there's a societal expectation (rightly or wrongly) that people working in responsible public positions are role models who should uphold the accepted values of society at large. Failure to uphold them usually results in clusterf**ks that we're witnessing right now (and other places, especially the US, are much worse in this respect than NZ, I might add).
This may seem unfair (and I guess it probably is), but if you're a public person and dumb enough not to realise it, then you'll always find a distinct lack of sympathy from a wide section of the public that once supported you.
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Problem is even if he is found not guilty he will still be called a wife beater...
Its like Michael Jackson, as scary as the man is, he was found not guilty. But ask 90% of people if he is a pedo and they will say yes.
It seems if your a media figure you are guilty even when proven innocent. But if your a normal (for want of a better term) person even in cases where your case makes the media if you are found innocent then people wont question the verdict.
Tbh I can't stand Deaker and won't be watching, but like Smithy I think good on him for allowing the guy on (even if it is just an attempt too boost ratings).
Gangsta!2009-02-16 16:19:05
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Problem is even�if he is found not guilty he will still be called a wife beater...
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Its like Michael Jackson, as scary as the man is, he was found not guilty. But ask 90% of people if he is a pedo and they will say yes.
Although it has to be pointed out that a 'not guilty' verdict does not equal innocence. It simply means that the prosecution did not present a case that proved the guilt of the accused beyond reasonable doubt.
The burden of proof is on the prosecution, not the defendant.
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Problem is even if he is found not guilty he will still be called a wife beater...
Its like Michael Jackson, as scary as the man is, he was found not guilty. But ask 90% of people if he is a pedo and they will say yes.
Although it has to be pointed out that a 'not guilty' verdict does not equal innocence. It simply means that the prosecution did not present a case that proved the guilt of the accused beyond reasonable doubt.
The burden of proof is on the prosecution, not the defendant.
Thats true, but if a highly qualified prosecution lawyer can't get the evidence to prove guilt then how can Joe Blogs off the street turn around and say he is a wife beater?
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How can people say that O. J. Simpson's a murderer?
The reality is that public figures will always have a cloud over their heads even if found not guilty, if they were unable to clearly demonstrate their innocence. Like I said, it's not the way the legal system works so that's tough, but it's the world we live in.
The reality is that public figures will always have a cloud over their heads even if found not guilty, if they were unable to clearly demonstrate their innocence. Like I said, it's not the way the legal system works so that's tough, but it's the world we live in.
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Problem is even if he is found not guilty he will still be called a wife beater...
No certain people will still think you're a wife beater,just the amount of people who know you is fewer.So the court of public opinion is very much smaller than the one Tony Veitch is going through.It seems if your a media figure you are guilty even when proven innocent. But if your a normal (for want of a better term) person even in cases where your case makes the media if you are found innocent then people wont question the verdict.
giddyup2009-02-16 16:51:54
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Problem is even if he is found not guilty he will still be called a wife beater...
Not much chance of that I reckon...
2010 Veitchy's court trail:
Judge: How do you plead Tony Veitch?
Veitchy: Not guilty your honour.
Judge: OK, so what happened THAT night Veitchy?
Veitchy: She slipped and fell down some stairs.
Judge: You are aware Veitchy that you're under oath?
Veitchy: OK, I broke and I lashed out. (mumbled)
Judge: Come again Veitchy?
Veitchy: I BROKE AND I LASHED OUT!!!!!!!!
Judge: I hereby sentence wife beater to 3 years hard labour.
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Deaker (Newstalk ZB that night): Veitchy's done nothing wrong. He has been hounded and persecuted just because he was a radio person.
Stevo2009-02-16 17:15:16
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He wont do time in jail,even though he gave "hush" money to her wouldn't the amount he gave get taken into consideration in terms of reparation to the victim at sentencing?
Assuming he is in fact found guilty. giddyup2009-02-16 17:16:35
Assuming he is in fact found guilty. giddyup2009-02-16 17:16:35
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I was opposed until I saw his trial isn't due until late 2010, you can't hang a person out to dry in limbo for 3 years, and not let him work in his profession. It;s a tough one
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I'm amazed at just how long it's taking to get this case to court. It's not like it's as intricate as say the Thomas Murders.
I listened to Deaker going on and on about it until he had that f**ken idiot "Minstral" on at which point I tuned out.
7 months without Veitch has he really been missed by the listening public? By the lack of discussion until now, I'd say the answer is a definate "NO!"
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I think Chris Brown should stop singing same deal he's a public figure more kids want to be like Chris Brown than Tony Veitch and he just beat the snot "allegedly" out of Rhianna
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From what I recall of hearing Deaker on Sunday, he clearly stated that he was not aware of the issues that arose when Veitch's case broke - he was not in the country and since then has not dug into it. GHe also said that at this time Veitch is simply being hired as a comments man on a panel, neither sky nor Radio NZ have reinstated a contract with Veitch. DFeaks also made the point that at this time Veitch's court date is 18 months away, and the man still has a right to make a living - he cited the time when he himself lost it and was away from work for 6 weeks, needed to be working for his own sanity - which is why he's readched out to vEitch. Plus I'm sure his ratings will sky rocket.
Queenslander 3x a year.
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I am quite sure that if I had a court case pending for beating up my Missus that it would affect my position in the company that I work for and I would probably have to find a job outside my profession - why doesnt the same apply to the dwarf?
I dont have much time for Deaker, and have never liked Veitch as a broadcaster - I stopped listening to radiosport in the mornings when he was the host. He was inmature and carried on like a bloody 5th former.
I heard an ad on RS advertsing domestic cricket which went along the lines of "we love a good domestic, domestic cricket that is..." what short memories they have.
I won't be buying into this publicity stunt.
Deaker - bought to you by - Regency, rebel Sport, Tui, gulf harbour, holden, Chef, ......
sold out.
Right I feel better after that rant.
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I am quite sure that if I had a court case pending for beating up my Missus that it would affect my position in the company that I work for and I would probably have to find a job outside my profession - why doesnt the same apply to the dwarf?
I dont have much time for Deaker, and have never liked Veitch as a broadcaster - I stopped listening to radiosport in the mornings when he was the host. He was inmature and carried on like a bloody 5th former.
I heard an ad on RS advertsing domestic cricket which went along the lines of "we love a good domestic, domestic cricket that is..." what short memories they have.
I won't be buying into this publicity stunt.
Deaker - bought to you by - Regency, rebel Sport, Tui, gulf harbour, holden, Chef, Magnasleep, Biomag ......
sold out.
Right I feel better after that rant.
Adjusted for you.
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I'm sorry but I think the w**ker should be persecuted for what he's done! Just because it goes on in normal society doesn't mean that a public figure shouldn't have an example made of him. After all its the Tax Payer and anyone who has ever bought any product ever advertisedon TV that has paid for him to do the job he does.
ANYONE WHO BEATS THEIR MISSUS IS A PRICK REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH MONEY THEY HAVE AND THE FACT THAT THIS w**ker USED MONEY TO KEEP IT HUSH PROVES HE IS A CARNT WHO DOESN'T DESERVE ANYTHING HE HAS!So when they say "Innocent until proven Guilty", they really mean "If I can get the court hearing pushed back far enough this whole thing may go away and I will be found guilty but it wont matter because it happened ages ago and other people have since beat up their missus so that makes them the bad guys!"
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Oh dear.
The Veitch media statement:
When I wrote this, I was trying to come up with words about how I felt about all this, I wasn't sure but today I can honestly say, while this has been an absolutely hideous time for everyone in my life, and I say everyone, my family everybody, you have no idea how relieved I AM that this is over.
Until now because of severe legal constraints and the agreement I signed, I've been unable to say anything to anybody, let alone defend myself. From today, that will stop.
Despite what some in the media have reported over the last nine months, I never shied away from what happened on that night over three years ago.
I paid Kristin's medical costs. I was so concerned about what had happened and it was so out of character that I undertook counselling to help me understand how I was driven to such a place. That is not me and it will never be me again. I wish I had handled things differently that night.
When it was necessary, I also told my employers at TVNZ and I re-iterate, I told them the full and utter truth.
I also believe that if I didn't pay the $150,000, our wedding day would have been at considerable risk.
What still confounds me, and even today it still confounds me, is my misguided belief that Kristin and I actually parted on good terms.
While we realised that our relationship could not work anymore, we remained in contact for at least 13 months after the incident, good contact.
Today is a result of some long hard thinking on my part and my family's part and my wife's part. We had two choices, a day in court, which I can honestly say I desperately wanted but I knew would be at least two years away, two years to wait for a day in court or we could end this now and save everyone more pain, allow my wife and our family to get back to a normal life. This has not been normal over the past nine months for anybody. Everybody has suffered.
I now look forward to working with the charities who I love and that is the best thing about this sentence, I can get back to working with the charities and doing my community service with charities that I am passionate about.
I am grateful sense has prevailed and the other charges have been dropped.
As I said months ago, when I walked out of here, I was stunned those charges had even been laid.
There is one final point I would like to make, much has been written and said over the past nine months that defies belief. As a journalist, I am at a loss as to how to understand how certain media organisations could run with stories on the basis of a source and without fact.
From today we will begin legal action against them in the hope that they realise that it is one thing to condemn a person by the media, it is another to slander them.
Thank you to all of those people who have helped me to get through this. Thank you to my family, who I know are all here, have been simply incredible.
To the people out there, you would not believe the letters, the correspondence. We got one box that had little quotes in it that everyday, Zoe and I read. The people out there in New Zealand, you guys have been incredible.
But most of all, thank you to my wife Zoe, I'm not sure where she is, she has been the most rational, the most logical, the most intelligent, the most gorgeous, the most beautiful woman in the world. I quite simply say, I chose a goody, and I could not have survived this without her. So, to Zoe, I say thank you, to all of you, I say thank you and I'm glad it is over.
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Oh dear.
The Veitch media statement..... I I I I my my myself me me me
3 sad things out of this case;
Girl gets sh*t kicked out of her,
Veitch doesn't get it - never will,
Some people think all should be forgiven because he's entertaining on TV
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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I'm just glad we've heard the last of this. Wait up....
"From today we will begin legal action against them in the hope that they realise that it is one thing to condemn a person by the media, it is another to slander them".
Me Myself I. Joan Armatrading.
"From today we will begin legal action against them in the hope that they realise that it is one thing to condemn a person by the media, it is another to slander them".
Me Myself I. Joan Armatrading.
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Oh dear.
The Veitch media statement..... I I I I my my myself me me me
3 sad things out of this case;
Girl gets sh*t kicked out of her,
Veitch doesn't get it - never will,
Some people think all should be forgiven because he's entertaining on TV
The guy pleaded guilty to the original allegation, the one that first came out in the media. He now has a criminal conviction against his name and was punished, im not sure how the sentence stacks up against other first time offenders like this. I don't understand how you say he never got it?
The sad thing out of all of this is that the other stuff can never really be put to bed. Having to wait two years for a trial on all counts is ridiculous.
Certainly will be interesting to see what happens from here.
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[QUOTE=Stevo]
HOPE THAT'S A VILLA TIE HE'S WEARING
Oh dear.
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I don't understand how you say he never got it?
Because at no time did he do the right, honorable thing by choice - he tried to buy her off, he only came clean when he had to, he only pleaded guilty when he had to, his "speech was all about him and taking it to the press............
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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Meanwhile, Bill Francis at The Radio Network - owners of Radio Sport -
said the company will begin discussions with Veitch about future
employment.
They must be considering taking him back. 9 til noon show?
They must be considering taking him back. 9 til noon show?
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I don't understand how you say he never got it?
Because the unrepentent Veitch still has blood on his boots.
And I think Susan 'He only kicked her once' Wood on Newstalk ZB would happily lick these boots.
5.10pm on Newstalk - the Veitch extended interview with Suzy...
Update: Not so much an 'extended interview' - more like an hour of on-air self-centred therapy...
Stevo2009-04-16 18:16:36
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If his name was changed to Sione Tolovao and he was unemployed from South Auckland, do you really think he would have still avoided a jail term just for the extensive injuries suffered by the victim?? Yeah Right.
6 -24 months more like it.
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I'm just gonna boycott anything he is on and any sponsors related to those programmes.
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