On Saturday, 3 stabbings occured in this fine country of ours.
Let me focus my attention to the incident in Porirua this weekend. The victim in the Porirua stabbing was a guy by the name of Fitzgerald (Fitz) Risati, a 24 year old man with a bright future working with mentally-handicapped kids in the Porirua region. I went to primary school (Holy Family Primary) and high schoo (Bishop Viard College)l with Fitz and have nothing but good memories of a talented guy with a passion for singing and sport.
My thoughts and prayers are with the Risati family and all the families involved in the tragedies this weekend.
This kind of madness in our communities has got to stop, we are far too good a country for this and we are now "1 good man down" because of this reckless act in Porirua.
I only hope we adopt the same penalties as the USA for crimes that belong in the USA. Drop the "minimum non parole period" - you take a life, you get "life" behind bars.
R.I.P Fitz, Never Forgotten.
BVC 4 Life
Let me focus my attention to the incident in Porirua this weekend. The victim in the Porirua stabbing was a guy by the name of Fitzgerald (Fitz) Risati, a 24 year old man with a bright future working with mentally-handicapped kids in the Porirua region. I went to primary school (Holy Family Primary) and high schoo (Bishop Viard College)l with Fitz and have nothing but good memories of a talented guy with a passion for singing and sport.
My thoughts and prayers are with the Risati family and all the families involved in the tragedies this weekend.
This kind of madness in our communities has got to stop, we are far too good a country for this and we are now "1 good man down" because of this reckless act in Porirua.
I only hope we adopt the same penalties as the USA for crimes that belong in the USA. Drop the "minimum non parole period" - you take a life, you get "life" behind bars.
R.I.P Fitz, Never Forgotten.
BVC 4 Life
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It's awful what happened. I hope they catch the guys who did it and put them behind bars.loyalgunner2007-12-10 21:16:39
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Good call Barber. But I'd like to take your idea one step further.
One any offenders are sentenced, they should lose all human rights,
civil liberties etc etc. Currently Prisons are like a hotel where
guys can meet up with their mates and noitt have any
responsibilities.
Between the bleeding heart civil libertarians, The Howard
League for Penal reform and a few other advocasey groups, there are
no punishments, no accepting responsibility for croime. Instead
millions are wasted on reforming persons whom dont want to.
Let not this mans death be in vain, let the law make the
offender pay for his crime and not by tree hugging him for the next
10 years.
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The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
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I find it obscene that prisoners get xbox's to play
with 
Prisons should be about rehabilitation and re-education, not as a vacation away from society. I'd rather prisoners being discharged leave with skills that can lead to them having a productive, legal life. I'm pretty sure winning all the races on Gran Turismo doesn't count for that.
Prisons should be about rehabilitation and re-education, not as a vacation away from society. I'd rather prisoners being discharged leave with skills that can lead to them having a productive, legal life. I'm pretty sure winning all the races on Gran Turismo doesn't count for that.
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i agree with my boy gunner
you cant replace a human life with a sentance behind bars
they need to face up to the familys and then get a SADAM on there arse
DEATH F#%KN PENALTY
HK_Keeper2007-12-15 23:34:16
you cant replace a human life with a sentance behind bars
they need to face up to the familys and then get a SADAM on there arse
DEATH F#%KN PENALTY
HK_Keeper2007-12-15 23:34:16
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i agree with my boy gunner
you cant replace a human life with a sentance behind bars
they need to face up to the familys and then get a SADAM on there arse
DEATH F#%KN PENALTY
you cant replace a human life with a sentance behind bars
they need to face up to the familys and then get a SADAM on there arse
DEATH F#%KN PENALTY
Likewise you can't replace a human life by excecuting someone.
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They most certainly should not bring back the death penalty.
The death penalty is no deterrent as can be seen by some American crime statistics. I also read on a website that some people consider the death penalty to be racist as, when there is a white victim, there is a higher chance of the accused receiving the death penalty.
Then there is also the issue of wrongful convictions. You can be as sure as you like at the time of their guilt, but with ever-advancing technology it could be proved after somebody's death that they were innocent.
Inconsistencies are bound to occur as well. Somebody will kill in self-defence and be let off while somebody somewhere else will also kill in self-defence but their actions will be interpreted differently and they will be convicted.
And what about the psychological effects that the family of the executed offender would suffer?
All of these things aside, if our country ever did legalise capital punishment (I sincerely hope they don't), what method would they use? Hanging (like in Japan and as an alternative option in Washington and New Hampshire), lethal injection, firing squad?
None of the above mentioned methods of execution seem very humane.
The death penalty is no deterrent as can be seen by some American crime statistics. I also read on a website that some people consider the death penalty to be racist as, when there is a white victim, there is a higher chance of the accused receiving the death penalty.
Then there is also the issue of wrongful convictions. You can be as sure as you like at the time of their guilt, but with ever-advancing technology it could be proved after somebody's death that they were innocent.
Inconsistencies are bound to occur as well. Somebody will kill in self-defence and be let off while somebody somewhere else will also kill in self-defence but their actions will be interpreted differently and they will be convicted.
And what about the psychological effects that the family of the executed offender would suffer?
All of these things aside, if our country ever did legalise capital punishment (I sincerely hope they don't), what method would they use? Hanging (like in Japan and as an alternative option in Washington and New Hampshire), lethal injection, firing squad?
None of the above mentioned methods of execution seem very humane.
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I find it obscene that prisoners get xbox's to play
with
My bloody tax goes towards XBOX'S!!??
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i agree with my boy gunner
you cant replace a human life with a sentance behind bars
they need to face up to the familys and then get a SADAM on there arse
DEATH F#%KN PENALTY
you cant replace a human life with a sentance behind bars
they need to face up to the familys and then get a SADAM on there arse
DEATH F#%KN PENALTY
Harsher penalties yes, Death penalty no. What if they get
the wrong person?
and In the words of Mahatma Gandi "An eye for an eye only
makes the whole world blind..."
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I completely agree loyalgunner, well said.
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Southern states chain gang style thats were its at, an if you try
escape you get shot.
covers both bases!
covers both bases!
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what do u mean "if they get the wrong person" - if 12 people find
them guilty its the RIGHT person.
bring the death penalty into NZ, and enforce it retrospectively - bye bye Bain.
bring the death penalty into NZ, and enforce it retrospectively - bye bye Bain.
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Juries aren't perfect. They dictate what is treated as fact,
not what actually is fact. Every now and then, the system fails,
it's an unavoidable fact. Be it through human error, issues with
evidence, or even corruption.
I'm opposed to the death penalty, but I'm also opposed to the hotel environment prisons tend to be lately. Bread + water + rehabilitation is all they should get, and all they deserve.
I'm opposed to the death penalty, but I'm also opposed to the hotel environment prisons tend to be lately. Bread + water + rehabilitation is all they should get, and all they deserve.
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They most certainly should not bring back the death penalty.
The death penalty is no deterrent as can be seen by some American crime statistics. I also read on a website that some people consider the death penalty to be racist as, when there is a white victim, there is a higher chance of the accused receiving the death penalty.
Then there is also the issue of wrongful convictions. You can be as sure as you like at the time of their guilt, but with ever-advancing technology it could be proved after somebody's death that they were innocent.
Inconsistencies are bound to occur as well. Somebody will kill in self-defence and be let off while somebody somewhere else will also kill in self-defence but their actions will be interpreted differently and they will be convicted.
And what about the psychological effects that the family of the executed offender would suffer?
All of these things aside, if our country ever did legalise capital punishment (I sincerely hope they don't), what method would they use? Hanging (like in Japan and as an alternative option in Washington and New Hampshire), lethal injection, firing squad?
None of the above mentioned methods of execution seem very humane.
The death penalty is no deterrent as can be seen by some American crime statistics. I also read on a website that some people consider the death penalty to be racist as, when there is a white victim, there is a higher chance of the accused receiving the death penalty.
Then there is also the issue of wrongful convictions. You can be as sure as you like at the time of their guilt, but with ever-advancing technology it could be proved after somebody's death that they were innocent.
Inconsistencies are bound to occur as well. Somebody will kill in self-defence and be let off while somebody somewhere else will also kill in self-defence but their actions will be interpreted differently and they will be convicted.
And what about the psychological effects that the family of the executed offender would suffer?
All of these things aside, if our country ever did legalise capital punishment (I sincerely hope they don't), what method would they use? Hanging (like in Japan and as an alternative option in Washington and New Hampshire), lethal injection, firing squad?
None of the above mentioned methods of execution seem very humane.
first of all the statistics are american, not NZ so that
doesnt correlate. also people will find anything racist these
days so i find the race card irrelevant.
surely the psychological effects of the murdered person's
family would be a lot worse? at least the murderers family can
understand why that person's life is being taken away.. because
they killed someone else.
and again how humane is killing someone at all? why should
someone who kills a person receive a higher standard of 'humane'
treatment then they have subjected someone esle to?
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the idea of this thread was to draw attention to the fact a guy i
went to school with for close to 10 years (primary and highschool)
was killed in cold blood, his family is now without one of its most
loved and friendly members and what do they have but memories and
photos?
i admire all the opinions in here and while i dont agree with all of them its great that everyone has a different point of view.
tragedies like this are occuring way to close to home now and i can squarely lay the blame on the hip hop culture that is prevalent in our community. the lines between reality and the fantasy world that this culture creates is being blurred more and more day by day.
so if someone decides to "bust a 187 up in this" or "pop a cap in someones @$$" then they should
have the same done to them - no questions asked. none of this "lethal injection" that puts you to sleep. face a firing squad or have someone drive a knife into them like the guy who drove a knife into the guy i went to school with.
2 wrongs dont ever make a right but they sure make it feel better.
i admire all the opinions in here and while i dont agree with all of them its great that everyone has a different point of view.
tragedies like this are occuring way to close to home now and i can squarely lay the blame on the hip hop culture that is prevalent in our community. the lines between reality and the fantasy world that this culture creates is being blurred more and more day by day.
so if someone decides to "bust a 187 up in this" or "pop a cap in someones @$$" then they should
have the same done to them - no questions asked. none of this "lethal injection" that puts you to sleep. face a firing squad or have someone drive a knife into them like the guy who drove a knife into the guy i went to school with.
2 wrongs dont ever make a right but they sure make it feel better.
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I'm opposed to the death penalty, but I'm also opposed to the hotel environment prisons tend to be lately. Bread + water + rehabilitation is all they should get, and all they deserve.
robbwatson, where do you get that impression from?
Prisons, in NZ, are anything but easy places to be
in? 
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
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Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
20/5/20
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I'm opposed to the death penalty, but I'm also opposed to the hotel environment prisons tend to be lately. Bread + water + rehabilitation is all they should get, and all they deserve.
robbwatson, where do you get that impression from?
Prisons, in NZ, are anything but easy places to be
in?
From what i've seen/heard they are hardly the scary foreboding
place thet they ought to be, either! Far too many career crims
actually wanting to be in prison as they can get the arse's wiped
for them if they behave!
Queenslander 3x a year.
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They most certainly should not bring back the death penalty. The
death penalty is no deterrent as can be seen by some American crime
statistics. I also read on a website that some people consider the
death penalty to be racist as, when there is a white victim, there
is a higher chance of the accused receiving the death penalty. Then
there is also the issue of wrongful convictions. You can be as sure
as you like at the time of their guilt, but with ever-advancing
technology it could be proved after somebody's death that they were
innocent. Inconsistencies are bound to occur as well. Somebody will
kill in self-defence and be let off while somebody somewhere else
will also kill in self-defence but their actions will be
interpreted differently and they will be convicted. And what about
the psychological effects that the family of the executed offender
would suffer? All of these things aside, if our country ever did
legalise capital punishment (I sincerely hope they don't), what
method would they use? Hanging (like in Japan and as an alternative
option in Washington and New Hampshire), lethal injection, firing
squad? None of the above mentioned methods of execution seem very
humane.
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first of all the statistics are american, not NZ so that
doesnt correlate.
also�people will find
anything racist these days so i find the race card
irrelevant.
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surely the psychological effects of the murdered person's
family�would be a lot
worse? at least the murderers family can understand why that
person's life is being taken away.. because they killed someone
else.
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and again how humane is killing someone at all? why should
someone who kills a person receive a higher standard of 'humane'
treatment then they have subjected someone esle to?
The stats have to be American as they have capital punishment and we don't.
Yes, the family of the victim would be affected worse having lost a family member to a cold-blooded killer. But killing the murderer doesn't bring the victim back.
And because a person has committed murder doesn't mean they should be subjected to pain themselves. That is barbaric and it makes the state as bad as the murderer. I think they should be locked up for years.
Barber 21, I'm sorry for your loss. It's really sad what happened and I want the police to get these guys. I'm just saying how I feel about capital punishment in response to what some people have said.
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america is different to us so it's a bit hard to use their stats
and say the same results will occur here.
with our prisons and our limp wristed justice system it must
be extremely hard for a family of a murdered person to see the
offender get 'life' which is about 17 years in not such bad
conditions and then get paroled after 10 or something if
they behave well.
hard for taxpayers to want to give money
to feed, provide clothes, and all the other relative
luxuries to these takers of lives.
life should mean life, and it should mean life in a crappy
prison with no xbox's or televisions. they should have to
think about their actions for the rest of their lives. i hate the
'rehabilitation' thing as well. why give them a chance, the dead
peron certainly doesnt get a chance to go back into society.
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This is all well and good but penalties happen AFTER events. I
wonder how you modify behaviour so that events like those in the OP
don't happen.
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
20/5/20
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
20/5/20
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by giving harsher penalties and basic prisons. that would be a
start anyway.
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No matter what happens, we are becoming sibjected to a more and
more violent society - the last month in the news has been a prime
example.
The worst argument ive heard (not on here) is that NZ doesnt have the $$ to house criminals for "life" - which I think is bollocks, we all pay taxes - theres a dirty great surplus available, more prisons create more jobs, which creates more TAX!
thanks for your words lonegunner, its hit the community pretty hard - i dont live on "that side" of Porirua anymore but its still a bit too close to home.
The worst argument ive heard (not on here) is that NZ doesnt have the $$ to house criminals for "life" - which I think is bollocks, we all pay taxes - theres a dirty great surplus available, more prisons create more jobs, which creates more TAX!
thanks for your words lonegunner, its hit the community pretty hard - i dont live on "that side" of Porirua anymore but its still a bit too close to home.
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