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Astro Turf Lobbying

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Astro Turf Lobbying

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We need your urgent help, to help you and your game! We are in real danger of losing some of the critical momentum with local Councils that we had generated together to progress much-needed artificial pitches, especially in Wellington City.

We are seeking your support for an intense 4 day campaign to lobby Wellington City and Hutt City Councillors (Councillors not officers) regarding the need for artificial pitches.

Please act now!  Get the message across in the next 4 days leading up to 20th February!

�             E-mail longtermplan@wcc.govt.nz by 20th Feb for Wellington City Council, and/or joyanne.stevens@huttcity.govt.nz for Hutt City Council (headed �LTCCP Submission 09/10�).

�             Ring the WCC hot lines � Councillors are available each week on Thursday evenings between 7.00 and 9.00 pm until the end of February: (04) 499 4444

�             Talk to your local Councillors

�             Send a letter on behalf of your Club to all Councillors

o             Wellington: councillors@wcc.govt.nz

o             Hutt City: http://www.huttcity.govt.nz/Council/Council-Committee-Membership/Mayor-and-Councillors/

�             Write letters to the editor of The Dominion Post: letters@dompost.co.nz

�             Write letters to the editor of your local newspaper.

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i've heard that there will be a cap on the number of teams/players in the wellington area, to reduce the strain on the pitches... this is effectively telling people that they can not play!
 
i'll send my letter off this afternoon.
 
also someone could set up a facebook group for people to join and show their support... (i'd do it but can't get into facebook from work) i suspect that a lot of people are passionate about wanting to play football but may not go to the effort of writting a letter, but would join a group. perhaps we can get a few hundred people joined up...
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Yeah,  we want to put a second masters team out of Naenae but looks like we're no chance.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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There is urgency to get responses in. The council are now drafting their 10year plan! It seams that the councils have been receptive to input so lets make sure that we take the opportunity to stress the need for more pitches.

last season was frustrating with all the cancellations.

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If they can build a multi million dollar netball (farken) facility in Kilbirnie then why the hell can't they properly resource the biggest sport in town?!
 
B@stards.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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Im a big supporter of artificial turf... there is recent studies showing the cost of artificial turf over 10 years is lower than maintaining a traditional pitch. They are especially good for replacing high use training grounds. Tanks fir the heads up i will be making a submission.
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Smithy wrote:
If they can build a multi million dollar netball (farken) facility in Kilbirnie then why the hell can't they properly resource the biggest sport in town?!
 
B@stards.


yeah, councils hate football

Salmon swim upstream

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Salmon07 wrote:
Smithy wrote:
If they can build a multi million dollar netball (farken) facility in Kilbirnie then why the hell can't they properly resource the biggest sport in town?!
 
B@stards.


yeah, councils hate football


oops, just broke my code of conduct and expressed a personal opinon

Salmon swim upstream

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Salmon07 wrote:
Salmon07 wrote:
Smithy wrote:
If they can build a multi million dollar netball (farken) facility in Kilbirnie then why the hell can't they properly resource the biggest sport in town?!
 
B@stards.


yeah, councils hate football


oops, just broke my code of conduct and expressed a personal opinon


and made my first post for two weeks....


..why is there anti council feeling? policy is one thing, but in all our local authorities there are football lovers who advocate daily, in deed and action, for representation for football.


Salmon swim upstream

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anyway, it seems like Rugby League needs more help than football, maybe thats where the moolah and energy should go. at least we are world champions. not many team sports we can say that about at the moment.

Salmon swim upstream

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And a board that just all got fired, cause they are a freaking shambles.

Sure help em out, but football is the future
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Salmon07 wrote:
Salmon07 wrote:
Salmon07 wrote:
Smithy wrote:
If they can build a multi million dollar netball (farken) facility in Kilbirnie then why the hell can't they properly resource the biggest sport in town?!
 
B@stards.


yeah, councils hate football


oops, just broke my code of conduct and expressed a personal opinon


and made my first post for two weeks....


..why is there anti council feeling? policy is one thing, but in all our local authorities there are football lovers who advocate daily, in deed and action, for representation for football.


 
Andy Foster for mayor!

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Hard News wrote:
17,000 players nationwide vs ?
 
17,000 ? cool! if you have any of their address then you should invite them to the Facebook group... "More pitches for Wellington"
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Salmon07 wrote:
anyway, it seems like Rugby League needs more help than football, maybe thats where the moolah and energy should go. at least we are world champions. not many team sports we can say that about at the moment.


Leagues admin is screwed - agreed but that's about it! and SPARC are giving the $450,000 if they sort it out! At least they have enough grounds to play on, we on the other hand are hamstrung by the lack of facilities in a growing sport - f**k league!

Queenslander 3x a year.

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7 Federations anyone. Hahaha.
 
Salmon the reason there is anti-council feeling is because:
 
1. There aren't enough pitches.
2. They aren't well maintained or constructed (Karori Park!).
3. It's the biggest sport in the country.
 
But still they do nothing to build pitch capacity, and spend (or try to) tens of millions on a facility for a much smaller sport with none of the capacity problems that football has. 
 
Finally the football community is starting to call bullsh*t and fair play to Keith Palmer (amongst others) for leading the charge.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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That's not to say there aren't good people in those organisations Salmon, like your fine self and other football lovers.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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I sent of an email last night, got three replies from various councellors in a matter of minutes. One with a standard - your a little early but we are working on it, the other two were a little more positive.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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Smithy wrote:
That's not to say there aren't good people in those organisations Salmon, like your fine self and other football lovers.
im taking up league
 
a full back in the mold of garry jack
 
(i'd last five minutes-maybe two)

Salmon swim upstream

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The facebook group has been set up, join NOW.

link
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joined group and have sent emails
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Yep, same group
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6 replies thus far from council members, John Morrison the latest

Queenslander 3x a year.

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Yeah I've got five emails back, all from WCC nothing from LHCC yet lol.

A couple were very enthusiastic towards the idea, a couple just sent one paragraph replys and one was fairly negative am I allowed to name names?? This was part of the email

"In addition, our residential communities (particularly people on fixed or low income) are calling for us to keep rates at or below inflation.  I would be interested in your views as to your organisations willingness to pay the full operational costs of delivering them or alternatively where we should be trimming budgets in order to deliver them across the city whilst maintaining the general rate at or below inflation"

Well I'd definitely pay to have access to better grounds.
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Also, I missed out on this, but which numb skull decided Khandallah was the best place to "trial" these artificial pitches, there's only two clubs nearby that I can think of???
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monkeyboy wrote:
Also, I missed out on this, but which numb skull decided Khandallah was the best place to "trial" these artificial pitches, there's only two clubs nearby that I can think of???

not entirely sure of history but Onslow would be one of the strongest junior clubs i am pretty sure, and that is there home grown-oops summer events on the mind, i mean home ground

Ill let Glenn know you think he's a numb skull though, cute.
Salmon072009-02-18 23:10:04

Salmon swim upstream

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The other thing to remeber here MonkeyBoy is that it is the Wellington council. 

The Hutt fight is a whole new battle.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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I would DEFINITELY pay to play on some Astro Turf.  Torne2009-02-19 07:10:01
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monkeyboy wrote:
Also, I missed out on this, but which numb skull decided Khandallah was the best place to "trial" these artificial pitches, there's only two clubs nearby that I can think of???
 
+1, sort of.
 
Onslow is the biggest (I think) club in Wellington as regards junior registrations, and is starved of training facilities (one half a floodlit pitch is all they have).  Next door neighbours Karori would be next but have two or three flood lit training venues (Greenie?).
 
I'd question why they bothered turfing an area that isn't a full sized pitch.  Adult games can't be played on it so really it's just a training pitch and under 10s ground.  I'm sure the argument is that it was otherwise a useless piece of dirt, and that's fine I suppose as long as there are plans in the pipeline for more (full sized) pitches soon.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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monkeyboy wrote:
Yeah I've got five emails back, all from WCC nothing from LHCC yet lol.

A couple were very enthusiastic towards the idea, a couple just sent one paragraph replys and one was fairly negative am I allowed to name names?? This was part of the email

"In addition, our residential communities (particularly people on fixed or low income) are calling for us to keep rates at or below inflation.  I would be interested in your views as to your organisations willingness to pay the full operational costs of delivering them or alternatively where we should be trimming budgets in order to deliver them across the city whilst maintaining the general rate at or below inflation"

Well I'd definitely pay to have access to better grounds.


Here's your answer Monkey Boy.

They should can the 12 indoor courts at Kilbirnie which will cost $46m (approx. $4m per court) and are in the wrong f**king place for most Wellington residents; spend a fraction of that money on installing 10-12 artificials all around Wellington ($12m - $15m all up, assuming approx. $1m per pitch plus a bit for lights, cost overruns etc); and still have over $30m in savings to give back to ratepayers.

I know the indoor sports will bitch and moan but we're in a recession ffs. 12 artificials in Wellington would deliver just as much benefit to sport in general as the indoor courts would (probably more, although I don't have all the playing numbers in front of me to make a reasonable comparison) but at a fraction of the cost.

Put that in a reply back to your council friend.


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Smithy wrote:
I'd question why they bothered turfing an area that isn't a full sized pitch.  Adult games can't be played on it so really it's just a training pitch and under 10s ground.  I'm sure the argument is that it was otherwise a useless piece of dirt, and that's fine I suppose as long as there are plans in the pipeline for more (full sized) pitches soon.


I think they just wanted to do a "pilot" to make sure the artificials are actually as good as they are meant to be and validate the costs involved etc.

Like buying a test pot from Resene!

But it is painful watching the wheels turn at the council sometimes...

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Smithy wrote:
monkeyboy wrote:
Also, I missed out on this, but which numb skull decided Khandallah was the best place to "trial" these artificial pitches, there's only two clubs nearby that I can think of???
 
+1, sort of.
 
Onslow is the biggest (I think) club in Wellington as regards junior registrations, and is starved of training facilities (one half a floodlit pitch is all they have).  Next door neighbours Karori would be next but have two or three flood lit training venues (Greenie?).
 
I'd question why they bothered turfing an area that isn't a full sized pitch.  Adult games can't be played on it so really it's just a training pitch and under 10s ground.  I'm sure the argument is that it was otherwise a useless piece of dirt, and that's fine I suppose as long as there are plans in the pipeline for more (full sized) pitches soon.
 
Obviously a full size would be best - but Ive come to the conclusion it aint all bad. It will get some decent use. Onslow juniors will love it -as opposed to playing on a bogged Nairnville.
The thing is that juniors dont need floodlit areas - they play/practice in daylight hours. Karori has one of the biggest junior clubs - but also the biggest senior club. We have bugger all floodlit spaces for our 20 senior teams to train on. And now I am told that  RUGBY clubs are getting the preference at Nairnville turf. That is a joke when Wests rugby club have 6 teams (mostly all social) and have an indoor turf gym ffs - as well as outdoor training. Whinge, moan..

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Yeah I've heard same about rugby teams on Onslow turf.  I'm hoping it's a yarn but that did used to be a rugby training area so I bet some deal has been done.
 
See you point about Wharf.  Juniors don't all train in the daytime though.  Dad coaches have to work...

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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We dont need artificals to play on, there isnt a ground shortage in Wellington. The available grounds are just being badly managed by the councils and Capital Football who have a blinkered approach of how to run football in this region. Hopefully the new operations manager can make them see some sense.

A dog with a bone :)

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nightz wrote:
We dont need artificals to play on, there isnt a ground shortage in Wellington. The available grounds are just being badly managed by the councils and Capital Football who have a blinkered approach of how to run football in this region. Hopefully the new operations manager can make them see some sense.


Please explain...

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Have been involved on the WRFU negotiations with clubs and WCC over these turfs, Rugby has as bigger issue as football does in finding enough pitches to play on. I have enjoyed/been exasperated by reading some of the responses we have been getting from clubs on this, going on about how this is a must and how they would travel and what not but then wouldn't be prepared to pay anymore.
It seems to me like Capital Football and the WRFU should really be putting on a united front for this, not sure if this has been the case thus far but certainly it should be an opportunity for the codes to work together to solve the issues that all the winter codes share

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terminator_x wrote:
nightz wrote:
We dont need artificals to play on, there isnt a ground shortage in Wellington. The available grounds are just being badly managed by the councils and Capital Football who have a blinkered approach of how to run football in this region. Hopefully the new operations manager can make them see some sense.


Please explain...

 
Whats to explain, theres plently of pitches, its how they are badly utilised.

A dog with a bone :)

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