Awwwww Ref - Know The Laws

It's not speculation as to his grasp of English, I was playing in the game and can tell you his English was very poor. What happened prior was as above, a foul given to the opposition which we were aggrieved of due to missing a foul the other way immediately prior. The guy in the pic was trying to ask why the first foul wasnt given but was being ignored, hence he touched him to try get his attention.

This was early in the game, 30mins max from memory, so not like it had been building for 90 minutes. I don't think a card had been shown in the match to either team before this one.

The bloke in the picture who was red carded is English and pretty sure he hasn't played many minutes in this country. Only a couple of games for us at the least. Not sure if this is relevant.

Agree that if you touch a ref you are opening yourself up to the consequences, but I feel the nature of this warranted a common sense approach. Surely the rule is there to prevent violence to officials, was nothing violent about this action.

No idea mate. I'm just going on what I see in the picture. I was not there nor have a clue what happened. The picture shows him being touched. If it goes to some kind of disciplinary or what ever they do, that photo there and any other that are taken is all they have and it just shows the referee being touched. They don't get no back story or anything else. End game.

As for common sense from referees..... I think you are having a bit a giggle about that one. The two do not often go hand in hand. The red card in the Wests-Napier game shows that.... To the eyes of the video, it looks suspiciously like its not a penalty. I guess its fair to call that one a good tackle which most people can see?

 Do any you  think that there is too much backchat towardsofficials? 

Red card for talking to a referee? Billy Harris, is that you? 

It's always better to just not touch a referee at all, as some have a tendency to overeact. Which it sounds like has happened here. 

Agreed. But that's a yellow card at best surely. 

Do you not have to justify using the laws why its a yellow card? I mean the rules are there for a reason. If we re-hash the 'black cunt' story, you can't show him a yellow for that when its clearly red right?

This would be the same I suspect.

I got hit by a ref once and then he gave me a yellow card for it. Most bizare thing I've been involved in on a football field. 

Interesting replies. I tend to agree that as soon as he touched him then asking for trouble. Situation could have been handled alot better though I feel, a simple bit of communication (even though referee is not obliged in LOTG) would have resolved it all before the touch and the game would have been so much the better for it.

Personally the refs I enjoy having the most, or have the most respect for, are the ones you can speak to sometimes during a game or maybe have a laugh with and don't act like pretentious dicks.

Names please?

I always liked the Kevin Stolencamp. He was brilliant. Good man off the pitch as well. Played a bit in South Africa as well.

Young guy we had couple of weeks back was awesome, think his name was Ben something. Good guy and good ref.

Is it possible to sub a player off (but not on)?

Interesting. Would be at the discretion of the referee I guess, I don't think there's anything in the LotG that specifically forbids it (or allows it).

You can just take a player off for whatever reason. There's no formality to it. The referee should be notified however.

not quite the point - the reason I ask is a call made by one of Welli's fine referees. A substitution was called for. The player coming on had number 14 shirt as opposed to the 4 on the teamcard. The ref didn't let the player on - but also refused the player who was going to go off stay on. Apart from being a complete wanker - I would have also thought that it was against the laws of the game - as a substitution is only complete when a substitute enters the field of play. In the case of single point control surely the ref is assuming the role of a linesman - thus the player who was refused entry never took the field.

You are correct.

as I say - it is blurred with single point control because the player would generally walk up to the ref instead of the ref coming to the sidelines. But the rules should be applied as if there was an assistant or 4th official doing it

Had a similar thing down in Christchurch last year, in a Mainland Premier League Game at ASB Football so had a fourth offical, but fourth offical just noted the sub numbers down on cards and left the team sheets in the changing room. Nelson Suburbs tied to make a sub, I think was was due to injury,  but fourth offical would not allow it claiming subs number was not on sheet. After a few minutes of debate with the Nelson dugout who were certain the shirt number was on sheet ref restarted play with allowing the sub with the fourth officials running around the touchline all the way to the refs room and all the back only to have to admit he had got the numbers wrong. Thinkfully Nelson did not concede a goal in the few minutes it took for the 4th assistant to get back to dug outs.

The player going off had left the field and sat down before No 14 was refused entry.

Had the new player entered the pitch? "Refused entry" seems to suggest not. In which case the player should have been allowed back on as far as I can tell. 

Even if the new player had entered the pitch, wouldn't that mean the referee allowed the substitution despite the different number, then changed his mind after the fact (in effect 'undoing' the substitution)?

Not having a go. This is just interesting. 

To be honest, above all else, it shows that ref to be a twunt!

Without assistants/4th officials the physical movement of the players becomes irrelevant I would have thought. It should be dealt with from the point of view that the substitution was being made at half-way sideline. Therefore the new player was refused entry - never took the field - and the substitution never took place (as it was incomplete)

There is more to this story. After No 14 was refused entry to the game, he swapped shirts with his player-manager who was "on the bench".

So No 14, now No 3, makes a new effort to come on. Ref says: Sorry. No 3 is Bloggs and you are not Bloggs. So No 14/3 goes off, swaps shirts again, and player-manager 3 (ie Bloggs) comes on to finish out the game.

Was it Mohammad?

My lips are sealed. I could not possibly comment.

I agree that the ref has made an error but he has probably not experienced that situation before.  The manager's card cock-up is the cause of the situation so Feverish's abuse of the ref is a bit much.

I'm very sure he would have experienced it loads of times. And any abuse was at his practical handling of the situation ie common sense - something that anyone can apply but is often lacking in official officials

Law 18....

Not really.

I think the 19th hole results in a lot of bollox being talked.

Law 18 (wot I lurnt at Level One ref course last year) is common sense.

Surprisingly it is omitted from the FIFA 2012 LOTG - maybe at the request of Uncle Sepp?

In the KO Cup pen shootout yesterday the first kick was made to be retaken because the keeper moved early - even though she scored!

she did fortunately