thought I would bring back Aw Ref wit h the season upon us. This is where to put questions for our refereeing forum members out there (who are prob not allowed on here and have to remain anonymous)
First up, Can you be offside if - You team mate pulls the trigger from 30 yrds in front of goal - it cannons off a defender after flying 10 yds and falls near your path. You let the ball go past you and over the goal line for a corner. You are standing with only the goalie between you and the goal, and you are outside the edge of the six yard box - so not goal hanging, and not in the frame from the original shot had it not hit the clunky defender.
Corner or offside?
Founder
Offside (maybe!)
Decision 2 - Law 11
ginger_eejit2008-02-29 09:44:19
Decision 2 - Law 11
- Interfering with an opponent means preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent�s line of vision or movements or making a gesture or movement which, in the opinion of the referee, deceives or distracts an opponent.
- Gaining an advantage by being in that position means playing a ball that rebounds to him off a post or the crossbar having been in an offside position or playing a ball that rebounds to him off an opponent having been in an offside position.
ginger_eejit2008-02-29 09:44:19
When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!
thought I would bring back Aw Ref wit h the season upon us. This is where to put questions for our refereeing forum members out there (who are prob not allowed on here and have to remain anonymous)
First up, Can you be offside if - You team mate pulls the trigger from 30 yrds in front of goal - it cannons off a defender after flying 10 yds and falls near your path. You let the ball go past you and over the goal line for a corner. You are standing with only the goalie between you and the goal, and you are outside the edge of the six yard box - so not goal hanging, and not in the frame from the original shot had it not hit the clunky defender.
Corner or offside?
If the ball is within playing distance of you and you were offside when the shot was taken then you are offside in that situation.
Its no longer a problem.
Offside - hate that part of the rule but definately off!
Queenslander 3x a year.
I'll agree with my Ginger compatriot on this one. Referees' Union and all that!:
As pointed out above, the definitions of active play are:
- Interfering with play means playing or touching the ball passed or touched by a team mate.
- Interfering with an opponent means preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent�s line of vision or movements or making a gesture or movement which, in the opinion of the referee, deceives or distracts an opponent.
- Gaining an advantage by being in that position means playing a ball that rebounds to him off a post or the crossbar having been in an offside position or playing a ball that rebounds to him off an opponent having been in an offside position.
Only the 3rd definition is close to applying in this case but as the player did not actually play the ball after it hit the defender, according to the Laws of the Game he is NOT offside and a corner should be given.
Whether I'd give a corner or not is another matter altogether 
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
thought I would bring back Aw Ref wit h the season upon us. This is where to put questions for our refereeing forum members out there (who are prob not allowed on here and have to remain anonymous)
First up, Can you be offside if - You team mate pulls the trigger from 30 yrds in front of goal - it cannons off a defender after flying 10 yds and falls near your path. You let the ball go past you and over the goal line for a corner. You are standing with only the goalie between you and the goal, and you are outside the edge of the six yard box - so not goal hanging, and not in the frame from the original shot had it not hit the clunky defender.
Corner or offside?
Still spewing about that one. Terrible call.
And to be more precise I was almost outside the 18 yard box, nowhere near anybody.
Unless you're walking in the completely opposite direction and ignoring the ball, most refs will assume you're making an attempt to play the ball, and in reality most players will be attempting to play the ball.
if you mean by 'You let the ball go past you' that you took a few steps to run after it, realised it was going out for a corner and stopped running after it, then your offside - as your playing the ball, and therefore the offence of offside has occurred before the ball has gone out of play for the corner.
if you mean by 'You let the ball go past you' that you took a few steps to run after it, realised it was going out for a corner and stopped running after it, then your offside - as your playing the ball, and therefore the offence of offside has occurred before the ball has gone out of play for the corner.
When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!
I assume by �letting he ball go past you� to mean that the player took no active steps to play the ball. I think if that�s the case, i.e. the guy just stands there, or retreats, then it�s a corner.
If he chases after it ut it goes out, then it�s offside, but then that�s hardly �letting the ball go past you�...
If he chases after it ut it goes out, then it�s offside, but then that�s hardly �letting the ball go past you�...
Tough call but - if your chasing the ball you playing at it man! 2 options, either speed up or realise that the corner is goinna be a good option and retreat.
Queenslander 3x a year.
Can you be offside if - You team mate pulls the trigger
from 30 yrds in front of goal - it cannons off a defender after flying
10 yds and falls near your path. You let the ball go past you and over
the goal line for a corner. You are standing with only the goalie
between you and the goal, and you are outside the edge of the six yard
box- so not goal hanging, and not in the frame from the original shot had it not hit the clunky defender.
Corner or offside?
http://www.nzsoccer.com/files/nzf_guidelines_for_assistant_referees_2007.pdf
Seek and ye shall find. Read the above PDF and you will see the conclusions I have drawn...
1: "not in the frame from the original shot had it not hit the clunky defender... (snip)...and you are outside the edge of the six yard box - so not goal hanging,"
Irrelevant. Doesn't matter where on the pitch it is or where it was going initially. Only question is have you have gained an advantage from being in the position? Potentially yes, but based on what you have said you never actualised that i.e. got involved with play to gain that advantage from being in that position.
2: "You team mate pulls the trigger from 30 yrds in front of goal - it cannons off a defender after flying 10 yds and falls near your path."
Deflections don't put you onside.
3: "You let the ball go past you and over the goal line for a corner."
Critical factor 1. Did you make any attempt to move to the ball or play it it, even half hearted cause that puts you offside. Otherwise, you could have played at it, but chose not to and thus 'could have' does not put you offside until you actually do.
4: "You are standing with only the goalie between you and the goal"
Critical factor 2: By being in that position where you found yourself, did you interefere with him? i.e. obsturct his view or move as such to obstruct his view or put the keeper off.
I would say that if that answers to the 2 critical factors are No then you shouldn't be offside, but if it still burns and is fresh in wingback4eva's memory from 8 months ago, I'd say he obviously hasn't scored in a while and based on that assumption probably wouldn't have scored anyway he he he
9 posts on it in a day, analysing it from every potential scenario.
A ref is expected to make a decision on it in 2-4 secs - say no more
A ref is expected to make a decision on it in 2-4 secs - say no more
When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!
It was on Weds night...
Also, absolutely no attempt to play it or even walk towards it. In fact I was walking the opposite way to the ball as I was (slowly) getting back into position. Knew I was miles offside so was never gonna touch it.
NOT offside.
It was on Weds night...
Also, absolutely no attempt to play it or even walk towards it. In fact I was walking the opposite way to the ball as I was (slowly) getting back into position. Knew I was miles offside so was never gonna touch it.
NOT offside.
Correct - but at the end of the day - we all make mistakes, and how much moaning and consolation you've had with your mates going over it again and again - coz the ref got it wrong.
Probably does a lot for team spirit - when all the players can mutually agree they were robbed by a mistake by the ref, externalises any feck ups and mistakes they've made themselves.
When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!
I'd give a free kick for the player being overweight and lazy, to make sure he is not so far out of position in the future
All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight
Mix and Mingle � Capital Football, Petone
Thursday 13 March 2008
Team Captains, Coaches and Managers of senior clubs
7.30pm Keith Palmer, GM, Capital Football � Welcome
7.40pm Jim Murphy � Chair, Federation 5 Referees Committee
7.45pm Changes to the Laws last year and this year. (Jamie Cross)
Explain directive from UEFA, FIFA and NZF
a) Yellow and red card offenses (Brian Klee)
b) Hand Ball � what is it? (Jim Murphy)
c) Offside (Jamie Cross)
DVD material will also be used to show examples
8.30pm Question and Answer Session (Referee�s Panel: Jim, Nick, Brian, Jamie)
It was on Weds night...
Also, absolutely no attempt to play it or even walk towards it. In fact I was walking the opposite way to the ball as I was (slowly) getting back into position. Knew I was miles offside so was never gonna touch it.
NOT offside.
Sounds like you should have been sub off - walk towards the touch line next time and you won't have a problem as this will make it very obvious you are not " interefering with play " to everyone including your coach !!!!!
A goalie cant pick up the ball from a throw in any more can they?
Founder
The whole interfering with the play rule is a bit dodgy. Ive seen players running towards the ball and then stopping because they realise they are offside. The ref continues as he deems the player is not interfering and then someone else runs through and scores. Its a defenders nightmare and its left up to the refs interpretation which is 9 times out of 10 different to how the defending back line saw it. Its that old saying I suppose, dont stop until the whistle's blown
play till the whistle stops ya - make the ref make a decsion!
Queenslander 3x a year.
A goalie cant pick up the ball from a throw in any more can they?
Not from one of his own team-mates, no.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
A goalie cant pick up the ball from a throw in any more can they?
Not from one of his own team-mates, no.
Really? so what, this counts as a back pass?
Queenslander 3x a year.
S'pose so. It's been like that for years:
1997/1998 Law change stated:
"Law XII - Fouls and Misconduct: An indirect free-kick will be awarded if the goalkeeper handles the ball after receiving it from a throw-in from his own team."
"Law XII - Fouls and Misconduct: An indirect free-kick will be awarded if the goalkeeper handles the ball after receiving it from a throw-in from his own team."
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
Oooh oohhh i got one.
What in the hell is that 'D' for?
Three for me, and two for them.
isn't it for peniltys ? like no player can stand inside the d other than the kicker ?
i don't know if that is the sole reason
bushcrab2008-03-03 21:07:13
isn't it for peniltys ? like no player can stand inside the d other than the kicker ?
i don't know if that is the sole reason
so every player, other than the kicker and keeper are ten yards from the penalty spot when the penalty is taken.
When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!
Every player must be 10 yards from a free kick right. So if you put the ball on the penalty spot and put everyone 10 yards from the ball, now you know what the D is for....
Here's a suggestion, I know this might be quite a novelty to a lot of the players. Read the laws of the game; here's you'll find such interesting stuff as
you can't be offside from a goal kick or throw in
just because a player is standing in an offside position doesn't me he is
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/federation/laws%5fof%5fthe%5fgame%5f0708%5f10565.pdf
ginger_eejit2008-03-03 21:19:50
you can't be offside from a goal kick or throw in
just because a player is standing in an offside position doesn't me he is
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/federation/laws%5fof%5fthe%5fgame%5f0708%5f10565.pdf
ginger_eejit2008-03-03 21:19:50
When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!
Here's a suggestion, I know this might be quite a novelty to a lot of the players. Read the laws of the game; here's you'll find such interesting stuff as
you can't be offside from a goal kick or throw in
just because a player is standing in an offside position doesn't me he is
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/federation/laws%5fof%5fthe%5fgame%5f0708%5f10565.pdf
you can't be offside from a goal kick or throw in
just because a player is standing in an offside position doesn't me he is
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/federation/laws%5fof%5fthe%5fgame%5f0708%5f10565.pdf
..then you would be out of a job
Founder
Here's a suggestion, I know this might be quite a novelty to a lot of the players. Read the laws of the game; here's you'll find such interesting stuff as
you can't be offside from a goal kick or throw in
just because a player is standing in an offside position doesn't me he is
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/federation/laws%5fof%5fthe%5fgame%5f0708%5f10565.pdf
you can't be offside from a goal kick or throw in
just because a player is standing in an offside position doesn't me he is
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/federation/laws%5fof%5fthe%5fgame%5f0708%5f10565.pdf
..then you would be out of a job
I've played in a game with 23 refs on the park, interesting to say the least!
When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!
Yeah I think Jag and Ginger do a great job. Why stop them now when they are going strong?
On the other hand, there are some idiots that could do with an education...
On the other hand, there are some idiots that could do with an education...
Here's a suggestion, I know this might be quite a novelty to a lot of the players. Read the laws of the game; here's you'll find such interesting stuff as
you can't be offside from a goal kick or throw in
just because a player is standing in an offside position doesn't me he is
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/federation/laws%5fof%5fthe%5fgame%5f0708%5f10565.pdf
you can't be offside from a goal kick or throw in
just because a player is standing in an offside position doesn't me he is
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/federation/laws%5fof%5fthe%5fgame%5f0708%5f10565.pdf
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
how far from the pitch do you need to go when you are sent off?
Founder
The official wording is:
"A player who has been sent off must leave the vicinity of the field of play and the technical area".
The Referee now has the power to ask a player who he has sent off - to leave the vicinity of the field of play and the technical area (this usually means going back to the changing rooms).
Question: There is some confusion over what constitutes the term "vicinity of play" now included in Law 12. Could you please provide us with FIFA's interpretation of the term.
Answer from FIFA: Again this is a matter of commonsense as all field layouts are different. I would suggest that the person removed should not be able to participate as he or she did previously.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
The official wording is:
"A player who has been sent off must leave the vicinity of the field of play and the technical area".
The Referee now has the power to ask a player who he has sent off - to leave the vicinity of the field of play and the technical area (this usually means going back to the changing rooms).
Question: There is some confusion over what constitutes the term "vicinity of play" now included in Law 12. Could you please provide us with FIFA's interpretation of the term.
Answer from FIFA: Again this is a matter of commonsense as all field layouts are different. I would suggest that the person removed should not be able to participate as he or she did previously.
so on that basis if you can't get your toe back over the line you'd be o.k. 
should not be able to participate as he or she did previously.
So Greene could have come back on in goal ?
So Greene could have come back on in goal ?
Nope, black and white it aint! More of a murky grey I reckon. At Petone No.1 I'd say, at the very least, get behind the barrier round the pitch but that's just my opinion
I remember Mr Blellock being 'sent off' at Upper Hutt and he spent the rest of the game coaching from behind BNU's goal unseen by the Ref. (The Ref wasn't me by the way, I was on the balcony enjoying the atmosphere
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)Official Looking Disclaimer thingy:
Any refereeing opinions expressed by Jag in this thread are personal and do not necessarily reflect those of any NZ Referees' Association. Just in case, can't be too careful!!!
Jag2008-03-06 16:00:56
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
Ginger_Eejit said:
it is not an offence in itself to be in an offside position so Capital Eight teams- when you see the Wiley old salmon standing ten yards offside save your breath!
just because a player is standing in an offside position doesn't me he is
It drives me barmy when players get this wrong- or maybe that is there intentions
it is not an offence in itself to be in an offside position so Capital Eight teams- when you see the Wiley old salmon standing ten yards offside save your breath!
Also: when i first started playing (10years old) i though the D was an eaxtra keepers area- i think it should be!
and finally- a question for the stats geeks- is a shot that hits the post/bar a shot on target?
Salmon swim upstream
Official Looking Disclaimer thingy:
Any refereeing opinions expressed by Jag in this thread are personal and do not necessarily reflect those of any NZ Referees' Association. Just in case, can't be too careful!!!
Yeah, you don't want it to Quack you on the head...
Hard News2008-03-06 16:29:25