Awwwww Ref - Know The Laws

Awwwww Ref - Know The Laws

thought I would bring back Aw Ref wit h the season upon us. This is where to put questions for our refereeing forum members out there (who are prob not allowed on here and have to remain anonymous)

Offside (maybe!)

Decision 2 - Law 11

• Interfering with an opponent means preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent�s line of vision or movements or making a gesture or movement which, in the opinion of the referee, deceives or distracts an opponent.



• Gaining an advantage by being in that position means playing a ball that rebounds to him off a post or the crossbar having been in an offside position or playing a ball that rebounds to him off an opponent having been in an offside position.

Let me qualify that though - if you made no attempt to play the ball, and the referee interepreted your position as not interfering with play - then it would be a corner
ginger_eejit2008-02-29 09:44:19

Offside - hate that part of the rule but definately off!

• Interfering with play means playing or touching the ball passed or touched by a team mate.
• Interfering with an opponent means preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent�s line of vision or movements or making a gesture or movement which, in the opinion of the referee, deceives or distracts an opponent.
• Gaining an advantage by being in that position means playing a ball that rebounds to him off a post or the crossbar having been in an offside position or playing a ball that rebounds to him off an opponent having been in an offside position.

Jag2008-02-29 12:53:17

Unless you're walking in the completely opposite direction and ignoring the ball, most refs will assume you're making an attempt to play the ball, and in reality most players will be attempting to play the ball.

if you mean by 'You let the ball go past you' that you took a few steps to run after it, realised it was going out for a corner and stopped running after it, then your offside - as your playing the ball, and therefore the offence of offside has occurred before the ball has gone out of play for the corner.

I assume by �letting he ball go past you� to mean that the player took no active steps to play the ball. I think if that�s the case, i.e. the guy just stands there, or retreats, then it�s a corner.
If he chases after it ut it goes out, then it�s offside, but then that�s hardly �letting the ball go past you�...

Tough call but -  if your chasing the ball you playing at it man! 2 options, either speed up or realise that the corner is goinna be a good option and retreat.

http://www.nzsoccer.com/files/nzf_guidelines_for_assistant_referees_2007.pdf

Seek and ye shall find. Read the above PDF and you will see the conclusions I have drawn...

1: "not in the frame from the original shot had it not hit the clunky defender... (snip)...and you are outside the edge of the six yard box - so not goal hanging,"
  
Irrelevant. Doesn't matter where on the pitch it is or where it was going initially. Only question is have you have gained an advantage from being in the position? Potentially yes, but based on what you have said you never actualised that i.e. got involved with play to gain that advantage from being in that position.

2: "You team mate pulls the trigger from 30 yrds in front of goal - it cannons off a defender after flying 10 yds and falls near your path."
  
Deflections don't put you onside.

3: "You let the ball go past you and over the goal line for a corner."
 
Critical factor 1. Did you make any attempt to move to the ball or play it it, even half hearted cause that puts you offside. Otherwise, you could have played at it, but chose not to and thus 'could have' does not put you offside until you actually do.

4: "You are standing with only the goalie between you and the goal"

Critical factor 2: By being in that position where you found yourself, did you interefere with him? i.e. obsturct his view or move as such to obstruct his view or put the keeper off.

I would say that if that answers to the 2 critical factors are No then you shouldn't be offside, but if it still burns and is fresh in wingback4eva's memory from 8 months ago, I'd say he obviously hasn't scored in a while and based on that assumption probably wouldn't have scored anyway he he he

9 posts on it in a day, analysing it from every potential scenario.
A ref is expected to make a decision on it in 2-4 secs - say no more

It was on Weds night...

Correct  - but at the end of the day - we all make mistakes, and how much moaning and consolation you've had with your mates going over it again and again - coz the ref got it wrong.

Probably does a lot for team spirit - when all the players can mutually agree they were robbed by a mistake by the ref, externalises any feck ups and mistakes they've made themselves.

I'd give a free kick for the player being overweight and lazy, to make sure he is not so far out of position in the future

Mix and Mingle � Capital Football, Petone

Thursday 13 March 2008

Team Captains, Coaches and Managers of senior clubs

7.30pm             Keith Palmer, GM, Capital Football � Welcome

7.40pm             Jim Murphy � Chair, Federation 5 Referees Committee

7.45pm             Changes to the Laws last year and this year.  (Jamie Cross)

                        Explain directive from UEFA, FIFA and NZF

a)         Yellow and red card offenses (Brian Klee)

b)         Hand Ball � what is it? (Jim Murphy)

c)         Offside (Jamie Cross)

                        DVD material will also be used to show examples

8.30pm            Question and Answer Session (Referee�s Panel:  Jim, Nick, Brian, Jamie)

 

A goalie cant pick up the ball from a throw in any more can they?

The whole interfering with the play rule is a bit dodgy.  Ive seen players running towards the ball and then stopping because they realise they are offside.  The ref continues as he deems the player is not interfering and then someone else runs through and scores.  Its a defenders nightmare and its left up to the refs interpretation which is 9 times out of 10 different to how the defending back line saw it. Its that old saying I suppose, dont stop until the whistle's blown 

play till the whistle stops ya - make the ref make a decsion!

S'pose so. It's been like that for years:

Oooh oohhh i got one.

isn't it for peniltys ? like no player can stand inside the d other than the kicker ? bushcrab2008-03-03 21:07:13

so every player, other than the kicker and keeper are ten yards from the penalty spot when the penalty is taken.

Every player must be 10 yards from a free kick right. So if you put the ball on the penalty spot and put everyone 10 yards from the ball, now you know what the D is for....

Here's a suggestion, I know this might be quite a novelty to a lot of the players. Read the laws of the game; here's you'll find such interesting stuff as

you can't be offside from a goal kick or throw in
just because a player is standing in an offside position doesn't me he is

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/federation/laws%5fof%5fthe%5fgame%5f0708%5f10565.pdf
ginger_eejit2008-03-03 21:19:50

I've played in a game with 23 refs on the park, interesting to say the least!

Yeah I think Jag and Ginger do a great job. Why stop them now when they are going strong?

On the other hand, there are some idiots that could do with an education...

 

how far from the pitch do you need to go when you are sent off?

The official wording is:

 

"A player who has been sent off must leave the vicinity of the field of play and the technical area".

The Referee now has the power to ask a player who he has sent off - to leave the vicinity of the field of play and the technical area (this usually means going back to the changing rooms).

 

Question: There is some confusion over what constitutes the term "vicinity of play" now included in Law 12. Could you please provide us with FIFA's interpretation of the term.
Answer from FIFA: Again this is a matter of commonsense as all field layouts are different. I would suggest that the person removed should not be able to participate as he or she did previously.

not very black and white is it

should not be able to participate as he or she did previously.

So Greene could have come back on in goal ?

Jag2008-03-06 16:00:56

Ginger_Eejit said:

Yeah, you don't want it to Quack you on the head...
Hard News2008-03-06 16:29:25