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Law 5 states �Any player bleeding from a wound must leave the field of play.  He may not return until the referee is satisfied that the bleeding has stopped. A player is not permitted to wear clothing with blood on it�

 

To refs out there, would you let a player continue to play if he had a bandage on his head (from a prior head wound during the game) and there was blood still seeping through the bandage?  Or would you make him get further treatment so blood couldn�t be seen through additional bandaging?

 

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Is it impolite to ask the referee to leave the centre circle, on the grounds that he's churning it up and making a muddy mess?
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Some say thats where I do my best refereeing from...
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Blooming hell - hope this doesn't set a precident

A referee who abandoned an under-16s match after an all-in brawl between players has been ordered to pay the costs of a tribunal that cleared both teams of any misconduct.
 
The referee called off the match, played in Sydney between the under-16 teams of Blacktown Spartans and Rockdale City Suns, after a fight broke out between players and a spectator invaded the pitch.

However, while officials from both clubs agreed the referee was within his rights to abandon the game, a Football New South Wales tribunal investigating events launched a scathing attack on match officials claiming to be 'unimpressed with the standard and veracity of evidence provided by all three referees in this matter'.

The investigation subsequently found Blacktown Spartans and Rockdale City Suns not guilty of misconduct but ordered the Nepean District Soccer Referees Association pay a $550 'administration fee' to cover costs of the tribunal.

A copy of the 'Notice of Determination' filed by the FNSW General Purposes Tribunal obtained by The World Game claims 'a message needs to be sent to the referees that the quality and truthfulness of their evidence is pivotal to maintaining good order and discipline in the sport'.

The report explains a fight broke out during the second half of the match after 'serious foul play' which resulted in two players being dismissed.
Other players on the pitch became involved in the fight - accounts differ as to whether the players were fighting or breaking up the brawl - while one spectator, a Blacktown under-16 player suspended from this match for previous misconduct, attempted to join the 'brawl'.

The tribunal, however, noted that evidence provided by match officials 'directly contradicted' that provided by both clubs.

The World Game understands morale among state level match officials is low, especially in the light of another recent incident where it has been alleged FNSW Vice-President Sam Krslovic seriously intimidated a referee after a State League game between Sydney United and Manly United.

That incident is scheduled to go before the FNSW General Purposes Tribunal when Krslovic returns from overseas this month.

FNSW have informed match officials involved in the Blacktown-Rockdale incident that the tribunal's decision can be appealed and emphasised the disciplinary committee is independent of the state governing body.

�The General Purposes Tribunal is at arms length from the management and the Board of Football NSW,� said a FNSW official. �This has been done to allow for matters to be dealt with on merit and free of the political interference of the past.�

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/australia/abandoned-match-costs-ref-132609/
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I'd be telling the clubs "stuff you, we are'nt going to ref for your clubs anymore".
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about time refs payed for their bad decisions (instead of me)
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2ndBest wrote:

Law 5 states �Any player bleeding from a wound must leave the field of play.  He may not return until the referee is satisfied that the bleeding has stopped. A player is not permitted to wear clothing with blood on it�

 

To refs out there, would you let a player continue to play if he had a bandage on his head (from a prior head wound during the game) and there was blood still seeping through the bandage?  Or would you make him get further treatment so blood couldn�t be seen through additional bandaging?

 



Well he is obviously still bleeding, so no he can't continue. Though if enough bandaging was put on so that any bleeding wasn't obvious then the reff would have to assume the player had stopped bleeding wouldn't they?
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I'd imagine that's the case, no blood visible then not bleeding, even if he is mummified with bandages.
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yer that what i thought but in this case there was clearly bloody coming through.
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Here is one that came out of the U19 tourny.
 
We (wgtn Utd) were 1-0 down needing a victory to have a chance of a 1/4 final.  With about 5 minutes to go we scored.  While most of the team were celebrating another team member ran to get the ball out of the back of the net to get it back to halfway.  The ref turned around a gave this player a yellow card telling him he wasn't allowed to pick the ball out of the net.  Can anyone confirmed this.  I've had a look at the Laws and couldn't see anything.
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That's a joke. You should feel hard-done-by.
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2ndBest wrote:
Here is one that came out of the U19 tourny.
 
We (wgtn Utd) were 1-0 down needing a victory to have a chance of a 1/4 final.  With about 5 minutes to go we scored.  While most of the team were celebrating another team member ran to get the ball out of the back of the net to get it back to halfway.  The ref turned around a gave this player a yellow card telling him he wasn't allowed to pick the ball out of the net.  Can anyone confirmed this.  I've had a look at the Laws and couldn't see anything.
 
Was it one of the subs or something? Assuming not and that it is was one of the players still in the match, that's incredible. No way is that a yellow - you'd see yellows every week. I can't think of any law that says it's disallowed, let alone a booking. Unless there was some tournament regulation - some tournaments have specific rules, though it's hard to imagine this being one.
 
Was there a refs report for each match that explained the yellow? I wonder what his official reason was?
 
 
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'interesting' collection of refs at Napier tournie. One lino must have been about ten, and another one looked as though he had just eaten the fourth official
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SiNZ wrote:
Was it one of the subs or something? Assuming not and that it is was one of the players still in the match, that's incredible. No way is that a yellow - you'd see yellows every week. I can't think of any law that says it's disallowed, let alone a booking. Unless there was some tournament regulation - some tournaments have specific rules, though it's hard to imagine this being one.
 
Was there a refs report for each match that explained the yellow? I wonder what his official reason was? 
 
 
It was one of the on field players.  There wasn't a offical report but the player was told that it was against the law to do that.
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The player who grabbed the ball was running back and got about halfway back when the ref apparently told him to put the ball down, none of the players heard it and then the ref booked him furhter wasting time. I think when we looked back at out games with the before-menitoned ref, we had 10+ yellow's in two 50in games, for many rediculous reasons, one defender was given a booking for "obstructing/interfering (with)  an attacking play"- surely that is the job of a defender?!?!?

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Feverish wrote:
'interesting' collection of refs at Napier tournie. One lino must have been about ten, and another one looked as though he had just eaten the fourth official
 
Great Call, they had a couple looking about 10 and few extra pounds didnt go a miss on the others
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i saw the incident you are talking about 2ndbest.  the referee was wrong in law by cautioning the player that went and got the play.  The reason he was wrong is because there was no confrontation by him doing this.  However if there had been a confrontation i.e players trying to wrestle the ball of each other, then the player from the team that had just scored is to be cautioned.  his team has just scored so that team now has no "rights" to the ball.

yes there were a variety of referees at the tournament from very young guys/girls to the very mature!  Also as you would come to expect a few different shapes as well.....  it is no easy weekend for match officials in Napier.  most of us by the end of the tournament would have officiated close to 10 games. 

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Who was appointed to referee the final?
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Great, he deserves it, good referee who turns up every tourny and does more that his fair share of games, were there Wgtn ARs as well?
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Hey in some peoples view all referees are sh*t, I think he's one of the best in Wgtn. You don't get on the National league by being a sh*t referee.
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Sorry, I'm being fascetious as I know he reads this thread.

Should have added a disclaimer.


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Great, he deserves it, good referee who turns up every tourny and does more that his fair share of games, were there Wgtn ARs as well?
 
one of AR was from Palmy who has done CL before. and was the ref in the incident mentioned earlier.  Can't member his  name though.
 
Not sure on the other.
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Both assistants for the final were from Napier according the the ground annoucer.
 
And on that ref that Feverish reckoned ate the 4th offical, I would say he's regularly eaten the 4th offical and followed them down with a few ball boys as well, he made Hard News look like a success story for Jenny Craig. I did see him leave the centre circle once during the game, he could have been heading to the sideline for a quick snack though.
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IIRC a player from a team who has just scored in attempting to retrieve the ball can be cautioned for 'delaying the restart of play' (although arguably he's trying to achieve exactly the opposite, but in reality he is 'delaying' the opposition from taking possession of the ball as entitled)
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ginger_eejit wrote:
IIRC a player from a team who has just scored in attempting to retrieve the ball can be cautioned for 'delaying the restart of play' (although arguably he's trying to achieve exactly the opposite, but in reality he is 'delaying' the opposition from taking possession of the ball as entitled)


Surely there has to be some common sense in the way this is dealt with by refs.
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el grapadura wrote:
ginger_eejit wrote:
IIRC a player from a team who has just scored in attempting to retrieve the ball can be cautioned for 'delaying the restart of play' (although arguably he's trying to achieve exactly the opposite, but in reality he is 'delaying' the opposition from taking possession of the ball as entitled)


Surely there has to be some common sense in the way this is dealt with by refs.
 
Since when do refs possess any common sense? ;)
 
Och, it usually is - I would imagine most cases this would occur when a player is aggresively trying to retrieve the ball, ie grabbing it of the goal keeper, pushing other defenders out the way to get to it. Quite unecessary as the ref is likely add time anyway for the period to restart play and (IMO) it's verging on unsporting behaviour.
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ginger_eejit wrote:


Surely there has to be some common sense in the way this is dealt with by refs
 
Since when do refs possess any common sense? ;)
 
 
 
"Can you play on?" (G.Eejit, 2008)
 
...guess you know the feeling now, huh
Masty2008-11-03 15:21:07
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Marist AFC vs Island Bay United AFC, Kilbirnie Park, 2008.

I second that Masty.
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Seen it a couple of times i'm just watching the USA Korea womens game, Korea in red USA in a yellowy gold colour Ref etc in yellow! 
I know in past they had three colours green a silver (I think) and yellow and needed to wear a contrasting colour (common sense) have things changed?
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Alexf you are correct that referees should wear a different colour to players and goal keepers.  That should mean that during a match there are 5 different colours on the pitch.  In regards to the USA/Referee clash i didn�t think there was a problem.  USA play in a dull gold and the referee is in fluro yellow and is they are very bright!

During the winter leagues (in wgtn) you will often see a referee wearing a colour that a GK is wearing under the LotG this is incorrect but how often do referees and GK end up in the same place (long way from the center circle )

there are 4 colours available to referee black, green, yellow and red.  I understand that during the NZFC there will be 3 black red and blue!

 

good question though

123452008-11-10 10:51:37
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12345 wrote:

Alexf you are correct that referees should wear a different colour to players and goal keepers.  That should mean that during a match there are 5 different colours on the pitch.  In regards to the USA/Referee clash i didn�t think there was a problem.  USA play in a dull gold and the referee is in fluro yellow and is they are very bright!

During the winter leagues (in wgtn) you will often see a referee wearing a colour that a GK is wearing under the LotG this is incorrect but how often do referees and GK end up in the same place (long way from the center circle )

there are 4 colours available to referee black, green, yellow and red.  I understand that during the NZFC there will be 3 black red and blue!

 

good question though

Thansk 12345
Yes even given that it seemed to me especially in a world cup match you would pick a real contrasting colour given you had a choic. As well i know from (many long years) playing sometimes you react from your perifery vision, anyway as you say it was probably not so much of an issue. In fact I think football does well for contrasting strips you watch some of the rugby and some interprovincial netball and the strips seem very similar.
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12345 wrote:

....there are 4 colours available to referee black, green, yellow and red.  I understand that during the NZFC there will be 3 black red and blue!

 

good question though

 
Don't forget the magnificent silver/grey shirts we got in Welly a few seasons back! I still wear mine up here, just to be controversial!!!
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is what i say to that!
 
love u long time tho mr jag!
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This thread has been very quiet these many months. Does it mean that all the footballers in the Capital Football region have attended a Laws of the Game course?, and have no further questions for the refereeing fraternity?
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