your thoughts on the following - and how does it affect your team/grade?
FROM CAPITAL FOOTBALL
You may have noticed that we're struggling to complete the season! We didn't have a good start to the campaign with the long dry summer leaving the fields short of grass. Our season is a week or 2 shorter this year as well, with Easter weekend falling outside of the football season. The weather over the last couple of weeks, and that which seems to lie ahead of us this week, has really brought the season to a crossroads. We've asked Senior Clubs for overnight feedback on several options as to how we tackle the remaining 5 playing weekends and, as is often the case in football, got a mixed bag of replies - but it's been helpful thank you.
The following principles or facts are important in determining how we handle the rest of the season:
- No matter what we plan some, maybe many, grades will not complete a full season.
- No matter what we plan if it doesn't stop raining none of us will be playing a lot more football this season! The forecast is for rain on and off through to next Wednesday.
- We can schedule a whole lot of double-headers to catch-up but the reality is that the grounds probably can't take it.
- Some junior grades of football, mainly those from the 12th grade up which share full-sized pitches with senior men and women, have been more drastically hit by cancellations than seniors have (at it's worst some junior grades that started later in the year have only played 4 games).
- In the coming weeks when we face ground restrictions we will play some junior football on full-sized pitches and some senior football will be cancelled.
So, here is what we are planning for the balance of the season, and please note that all of this is of course subject to grounds availability.
Horowhenua-Kapiti and Wairarapa - seniors and juniors - we are still hoping to complete full programmes this season.
Senior Men - Central League, Champs Premier League, Capital 1 and Capital 2
- we intend to complete all these leagues. However, for Capital 1 and 2 we will structure the draw for the remaining weeks such that key games which will have a bearing on promotion/relegation issues will be played first, just in case (in a worst case scenario) we can't complete the full draw.
Senior Men - Capital 3-13 inclusive - we will first and foremost concentrate on completing one full round. In most divisions that will mean that another
1 or 2 games will need to be played. If more games can be played they will be. If at the conclusion of the season a league is incomplete (which is
likely) winners and promotion/relegation spots will be determined as follows. If the final table shows teams in unassailable key positions (top and bottom so to speak) - the final table will stand. If the final table shows teams in top or bottom positions that could have been "caught" if the season had been able to be completed, the final positions and promotion/relegation spots shall be determined by the results of one complete first round.
Senior Men - Capital 14 A and B - with only one game to play these leagues will be completed. We hope to play Winner A vs. Runner-up B and vice versa, with the winners of those 2 games playing-off, but we may have to revert to a straight Winner A vs. Winner B if ground conditions continue to be as bad as they are now. If we can play extra games we will.
Senior Men - Masters - with only one game to play (or occasionally 2) these leagues will be completed. If we can play extra games we will.
Senior Women - Central League - we intend to complete this league.
Senior Women - Premier - we intend to complete this league. However, we will structure the draw for the remaining weeks such that key games which will have a bearing on promotion/relegation issues will be played first, just in case (in a worst case scenario) we can't complete the full draw. This league will require 1 or 2 "double-headers" in the sense of 2 shortened-duration matches on a Sunday. If we can't get the first of those double-headers completed by Sun 10 Aug we will abandon the double-headers strategy. If the final table shows teams in unassailable key positions (top and bottom so to speak) - the final table will stand. If the final table shows teams in top or bottom positions that could have been "caught" if the season had been able to be completed, the final positions and promotion/relegation spots shall be determined by the results of one complete first round.
Senior Women - Women's 1-3 inclusive - we will first and foremost concentrate on completing one full round. In most divisions that will mean that another 1 or 2 games will need to be played. If more games can be played they will be. If at the conclusion of the season a league is incomplete winners and promotion/relegation spots will be determined as follows. If the final table shows teams in unassailable key positions (top and bottom so to speak) - the final table will stand. If the final table shows teams in top or bottom positions that could have been "caught" if the season had been able to be completed, the final positions and promotion/relegation spots shall be determined by the results of one complete first round.
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obviously CF in a difficult position. no perfect solutions.
As far as Cap 1 goes, my primary concern, i do wonder just they "will structure the draw for the remaining weeks such that key games that will have a bearing on promotion/relegation issues will be played first."
The race for 2nd in particular is very tight. North Welly, Olympic and even BNU all still have a chance at finishing 2nd and every game they play is a potential three points won or dropped with a bearing on the league outcome. And the same applies at the bottom of the table, where 2nd to bottom is still up for grabs.
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I'm in Div 9, and I think we've already played everyone (though there might still be an IBU team to go). Which then puts us top of the list for canceling. Great.
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absoutly nothing against capital football - they are doing what they can in a difficult situation.
each grade will have its pro and cons, and i dont think anything in this situation will make everybody happy.
Im lost are they going to be doing it on a grade by grade basis - or are they going to do exactly the same step from divs 3-13
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I don't know what they mean by "unassailable key positions" - are they talking mathematical certainty there?
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I'm in Div 9, and I think we've already played everyone (though there might still be an IBU team to go). Which then puts us top of the list for canceling. Great.
The hypocrites would be pretty close to unbeatable there anyway wouldn't they ?
Hard News2008-07-31 12:17:31
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I'm in Div 9, and I think we've already played everyone (though there might still be an IBU team to go). Which then puts us top of the list for canceling. Great.
The hypocrites would be pretty close to unbeatable there anyway wouldn't they ?
Ya. But we've played them twice already.
Actually, they are unbeaten.
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I'm in Div 9, and I think we've already played everyone (though there might still be an IBU team to go). Which then puts us top of the list for canceling. Great.
The hypocrites would be pretty close to unbeatable there anyway wouldn't they ?
i dont think it counts as playing everyone - if any of your games got cancelled in the first round then those games need to be played - the 2nd round game against that opposition dosn't count the way i see it
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For anyone in the lower grades its going mean a shortened second part of the season surely, I think for Div 10 there is one game required to finish the first round completely, after that I'd expect not to be playing much.
Queenslander 3x a year.
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I'm curious how they are going to do the Prem Women's division
"This league will require 1 or 2 "double-headers" in the sense of 2 shortened-duration matches on a Sunday"
This will obviously require some careful planning for travel and preparation times. How short will the games be? Could be some long days for the players/coaches/supporters
"This league will require 1 or 2 "double-headers" in the sense of 2 shortened-duration matches on a Sunday"
This will obviously require some careful planning for travel and preparation times. How short will the games be? Could be some long days for the players/coaches/supporters
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I'm curious how they are going to do the Prem Women's division
"This league will require 1 or 2 "double-headers" in the sense of 2 shortened-duration matches on a Sunday"
This will obviously require some careful planning for travel and preparation times. How short will the games be? Could be some long days for the players/coaches/supporters
"This league will require 1 or 2 "double-headers" in the sense of 2 shortened-duration matches on a Sunday"
This will obviously require some careful planning for travel and preparation times. How short will the games be? Could be some long days for the players/coaches/supporters
probably just play it at a park with a number of grounds ie. awkarangi
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I'm curious how they are going to do the Prem Women's division
"This league will require 1 or 2 "double-headers" in the sense of 2 shortened-duration matches on a Sunday"
This will obviously require some careful planning for travel and preparation times. How short will the games be? Could be some long days for the players/coaches/supporters
"This league will require 1 or 2 "double-headers" in the sense of 2 shortened-duration matches on a Sunday"
This will obviously require some careful planning for travel and preparation times. How short will the games be? Could be some long days for the players/coaches/supporters
an hour each
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I wonder if that will have an effect financially.
If we play less games should we pay as much? Should the soccer association have to pay the council as much?
If we play less games should we pay as much? Should the soccer association have to pay the council as much?
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I wonder if that will have an effect financially.
If we play less games should we pay as much? Should the soccer association have to pay the council as much?
Our fees to CF are all season based not game based so no refund there but is the fee to council game based or season based, only GF knows.
If we play less games should we pay as much? Should the soccer association have to pay the council as much?
Oh well back to another Beer.
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I wonder if that will have an effect financially.
If we play less games should we pay as much? Should the soccer association have to pay the council as much?
Our fees to CF are all season based not game based so no refund there but is the fee to council game based or season based, only GF knows.
If we play less games should we pay as much? Should the soccer association have to pay the council as much?
Oh well back to another Beer.
Councils/Excel would probably suggest that in a wet season they have to do more to keep grounds up than in a good season weather wise.
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You'd be a bit gutted if it turns out you are relegated based on the points after one round - but if you took the points at where it stood at the end of the games played - there are teams below you that could not even mathematically catch you if the draw was finished
(if that makes sense)
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Common sense should prevail. I think CF have shown common sense in the suggestions they have made in what is an unwelcome situation for everybody.
I think everyone needs to approach the season completion and the results in terms of promotion/relegation with a good spirit and common sense and not get to wound up about it all. At the end of the day its sport for fun (yes even the higher grades!).
Good luck to everyone involved and lets hope for a better run next season!
I think everyone needs to approach the season completion and the results in terms of promotion/relegation with a good spirit and common sense and not get to wound up about it all. At the end of the day its sport for fun (yes even the higher grades!).
Good luck to everyone involved and lets hope for a better run next season!
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Common sense should prevail. I think CF have shown common sense in the suggestions they have made in what is an unwelcome situation for everybody.
I think everyone needs to approach the season completion and the results in terms of promotion/relegation with a good spirit and common sense and not get to wound up about it all. At the end of the day its sport for fun (yes even the higher grades!).
Good luck to everyone involved and lets hope for a better run next season!
I think everyone needs to approach the season completion and the results in terms of promotion/relegation with a good spirit and common sense and not get to wound up about it all. At the end of the day its sport for fun (yes even the higher grades!).
Good luck to everyone involved and lets hope for a better run next season!
Good post- our Club was asked to vote and the majority of lower div captaisn plumped for as many games as possible without worrying too much about promo/relegation- I used the phrase red herring when describing the importance put on this
At the end of the day (its nighttime) we pay to play- Promo is an added bonus
Salmon072008-08-01 11:29:59Salmon swim upstream
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You'd be a bit gutted if it turns out you are relegated based on the points after one round - but if you took the points at where it stood at the end of the games played - there are teams below you that could not even mathematically catch you if the draw was finished
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(if that makes sense)
Or if you don't get promoted because of this, which is the situation we're facing.
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You'd be a bit gutted if it turns out you are relegated based on the points after one round - but if you took the points at where it stood at the end of the games played - there are teams below you that could not even mathematically catch you if the draw was finished
(if that makes sense)
Or if you don't get promoted because of this, which is the situation we're facing.
This scenario is slightly worse though - as you would not have mathematically beaten the team who are promoted - whereas the relegated side have mathematically beaten the side who don't get relegated
Hmm I'm confusing myself. My abacus just broke
ps why has you avatar changed from Bin Laden to a hot chick?
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Can we call upon Messrs. Duckworth and Lewis in a case like this?
Salmon swim upstream
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You'd be a bit gutted if it turns out you are relegated based on the points after one round - but if you took the points at where it stood at the end of the games played - there are teams below you that could not even mathematically catch you if the draw was finished
Or if you don't get promoted because of this, which is the situation we're facing.
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(if that makes sense)
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This scenario is slightly worse though - as you would not have mathematically beaten the team who are promoted - whereas the relegated side have mathematically beaten the side who don't get relegated
Hmm I'm confusing myself. My abacus just broke
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ps why has you avatar changed from Bin Laden to a hot chick?
Yep, it is potentially worse than the situation we're facing, but I thought that in that case (i.e. if the points earned in all the games played lead to a mathematical certainty in terms of prom/rele), than that situation takes precedent over the 1st Round table? That's my understanding of it anyway, but could be wrong.
As for the avatar:
Alison King =
Might bring back Hashim if he gets another 100 against the Poms.
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no I meant the relegation one is worse. Yes you would be promoted if the team in third place could not beat you on points if 18 games were played.
However in my scenario - the same is true - but they would still go down
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That seems a big double-standard then - surely if we'd get promoted, then the other team shouldn't get relegated if they have 2 teams below them who can't mathematically catch them even if they had been in a relegation spot after the 1st round?
I'm getting more and more confused by this.
I'm getting more and more confused by this.
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EG, I think you've got it right. If there's a mathematical winner (and/or loser) already, that team goes up/down.
If not, then it goes to the one round thing.
If not, then it goes to the one round thing.
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yes but the team at the foot is not a mathematical loser -as they can catch at least one team - just not the one who finished last after one round
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yes but the team at the foot is not a mathematical loser -as they can catch at least one team - just not the one who finished last after one round
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If you aint got a mathematical loser then it goes to 1 round.
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yes but the team at the foot is not a mathematical loser -as they can catch at least one team - just not the one who finished last after one round
I get it now - that would suck big time.
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yes but the team at the foot is not a mathematical loser -as they can catch at least one team - just not the one who finished last after one round
Are you telling me that if you are last after the first round you arent expected to stay there for the rest of the competition? Nobody told us that, weve been relegated every year, if only we had know.
Now I just need to work out what this promotion thingy is that Ive heard people talk about.
A dog with a bone :)
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I heard a rumour (unconfirmed) at pre-season cricket training last night that there is a possibility of the cricket season start being put back by a couple of weeks due to this weather.
Shouldn't that mean that football could get an extra couple of weeks to finish the season?
Do Cap Football and Wellington Cricket talk to each other about these things? I'm still holding out hope that we can finish the season so I don't have to sue the council for allowing all this rain to fall on the grounds.
Shouldn't that mean that football could get an extra couple of weeks to finish the season?
Do Cap Football and Wellington Cricket talk to each other about these things? I'm still holding out hope that we can finish the season so I don't have to sue the council for allowing all this rain to fall on the grounds.
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I heard a rumour (unconfirmed) at pre-season cricket training last night that there is a possibility of the cricket season start being put back by a couple of weeks due to this weather.
Shouldn't that mean that football could get an extra couple of weeks to finish the season?
Do Cap Football and Wellington Cricket talk to each other about these things? I'm still holding out hope that we can finish the season so I don't have to sue the council for allowing all this rain to fall on the grounds.
Shouldn't that mean that football could get an extra couple of weeks to finish the season?
Do Cap Football and Wellington Cricket talk to each other about these things? I'm still holding out hope that we can finish the season so I don't have to sue the council for allowing all this rain to fall on the grounds.
I dont think the Football and Cricket codes would do all that much talking to each other, unless the council is trying to organise things...
I imagine if cricket is put back by 2 weeks, it will largely to let the grounds recover and to give them time to fix the cricket pitches, so I don't think they'd want football continuing to play
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The word mathematical is being bandied around. I think I may need help here but I don't think maths comes into it... I'm sure that this is just a problem of arithmetic.
Anyone?
Anyone?
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
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Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
20/5/20
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arithmetic is maths. Just one of many subsets, and maybe the most basic.
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