Capital Premier 2024

It's CF decision if they choose to appeal. Sounds like they were meeting tonight to decide.

Sooo what do Nix/LH actually achieve from getting this overturned? From what I understand their Capital 1 side would still be relegated and their CP side would still be safe. 

ChopperNZ

Sooo what do Nix/LH actually achieve from getting this overturned? From what I understand their Capital 1 side would still be relegated and their CP side would still be safe. 

Errr..So is your belief just because it doesnt effect their own league position/safety, they should have just walked away from appealing & overturning a situation they believe they were in the right about? 

Edit: Without knowing what a succesful appeal would mean in terms of change of punishment eg: full/partial point reversal & future consequence to their league position I guess it was just an ongoing process before final positions determined anyway.

So as things stand I guess they "achieve" partially? winning their case eventhough their league position/safety isnt changed

I̶'̶m̶ ̶a̶c̶t̶u̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶s̶u̶r̶e̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶a̶r̶e̶ ̶r̶i̶g̶h̶t̶ ̶e̶i̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶L̶o̶w̶e̶r̶ ̶H̶u̶t̶t̶ ̶C̶a̶p̶ ̶1̶ ̶t̶e̶a̶m̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶s̶t̶i̶l̶l̶ ̶b̶e̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶r̶e̶l̶e̶g̶a̶t̶e̶d̶.̶ ̶I̶ ̶d̶i̶d̶ ̶a̶ ̶q̶u̶i̶t̶e̶ ̶c̶h̶e̶c̶k̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶I̶ ̶m̶a̶y̶b̶e̶ ̶w̶r̶o̶n̶g̶ ̶b̶u̶t̶ ̶i̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶y̶ ̶g̶o̶t̶ ̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶i̶r̶ ̶p̶o̶i̶n̶t̶s̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶g̶o̶a̶l̶s̶ ̶b̶a̶c̶k̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶n̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶l̶o̶o̶k̶ ̶a̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶r̶e̶s̶u̶l̶t̶s̶ ̶a̶f̶t̶e̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶d̶e̶c̶i̶s̶i̶o̶n̶.̶ ̶I̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶n̶k̶ ̶M̶i̶r̶a̶m̶a̶r̶ ̶R̶a̶n̶g̶e̶r̶s̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶a̶c̶t̶u̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶r̶e̶l̶e̶g̶a̶t̶e̶d̶ ̶t̶e̶a̶m̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶b̶o̶t̶h̶ ̶b̶e̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶o̶n̶ ̶1̶7̶ ̶p̶o̶i̶n̶t̶s̶ ̶(̶5̶ ̶w̶i̶n̶s̶,̶ ̶2̶ ̶D̶r̶a̶w̶s̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶1̶1̶ ̶l̶o̶s̶e̶s̶)̶ ̶b̶u̶t̶ ̶M̶i̶r̶a̶m̶a̶r̶ ̶G̶D̶ ̶=̶ ̶-̶1̶1̶ ̶w̶h̶i̶l̶e̶ ̶L̶o̶w̶e̶r̶ ̶H̶u̶t̶t̶s̶ ̶=̶ ̶-̶8̶

Edit: Nope got it wrong. While they do end up on the same points with 17 each, the goal difference I think is actually -1 for Miramar and -21 for Lower Hutt

So this secretive MOU between the Phoenix and NZF - its not published anywhere is it? And it seems to superseed published competition regulations by the feds...?

I'm not your Bro...

ChopperNZ

Sooo what do Nix/LH actually achieve from getting this overturned? From what I understand their Capital 1 side would still be relegated and their CP side would still be safe. 

Errr..So is your belief just because it doesnt effect their own league position/safety, they should have just walked away from appealing & overturning a situation they believe they were in the right about? 

Edit: Without knowing what a succesful appeal would mean in terms of change of punishment eg: full/partial point reversal & future consequence to their league position I guess it was just an ongoing process before final positions determined anyway.

So as things stand I guess they "achieve" partially? winning their case eventhough their league position/safety isnt changed

Justice 

Lower Hutt Lower Hutt Lower Hutt,

You’re arse about face,

Your morals are a disgrace,

And Rory Fallon has Jesus Christ on his caaaaaaaase,

 

Lower Hutt Lower Hutt Lower Hutt,

Internal Affairs are on your back,

For corrupt use of pokie stack,

Let’s not forget about Lisa Pahl’s attaaaaaack,

 

Lower Hutt Lower Hutt Lower Hutt,

To Fraser from Bell,

Only time will tell,

If your corrupt tactics,

Will result in football hell,

 

Lower Hutt Lower Hutt Lower Huuuutttttt (repeat to fade)

Lol I haven’t heard that name in a long time 

Capital Football would like to provide an update to clubs regarding the dispensation regulation breach by Lower Hutt City AFC (LHCAFC). See previous communications on this subject here.

LHCAFC appealed the Regional Association Disciplinary Committees Decision to the New Zealand Football Disciplinary Committee (NZF DC).

The NZF DC have reviewed the appeal made by LHCAFC and have made the decision to overturn the sanctions imposed by the Competitions Administration before 22 July 2022. See below: 

 

Capital Football have made the decision to appeal the NZF DC’s ruling to the New Zealand Football Appeals Committee. The reasons for appealing are highlighted below:

 

Capital Football acknowledge that this process has had a significant impact on all clubs involved and understand that it is an unfortunate way to end the season. We are very conscious of the importance of this dispute and what it means for two of our member clubs, quite apart from LHCAFC and WPX.  But we believe for the integrity of our competitions the NZF DC decision should be taken on appeal. We will do all we can to expedite a hearing of the appeal.

The New Zealand Football Appeals Committee have confirmed that a decision will be reached no later than 5pm 9 September. In the interim, any changes to competition tables and scheduling of the playoff games will be put on hold.  

Again, we appreciate your patience while we work through this. Should you have any questions, please feel free to contact our Operations Manager, Blair Ducan, at [email protected]

Why aren’t they resetting the points?

Feverish

Why aren’t they resetting the points?

They state here, because they are appealing it could change again (or not require a change at all)

"The New Zealand Football Appeals Committee have confirmed that a decision will be reached no later than 5pm 9 September. In the interim, any changes to competition tables and scheduling of the playoff games will be put on hold."

Feverish

Why aren’t they resetting the points?

Can only imagine that having to use comet day to day would make the average Miramar Cap 1 player/Operations Manager weep.

Matt W-S

Feverish

Why aren’t they resetting the points?

They state here, because they are appealing it could change again (or not require a change at all)

"The New Zealand Football Appeals Committee have confirmed that a decision will be reached no later than 5pm 9 September. In the interim, any changes to competition tables and scheduling of the playoff games will be put on hold."

 
But they changed them before the LH appeal was heard so what’s the difference 

Feverish

Matt W-S

Feverish

Why aren’t they resetting the points?

They state here, because they are appealing it could change again (or not require a change at all)

"The New Zealand Football Appeals Committee have confirmed that a decision will be reached no later than 5pm 9 September. In the interim, any changes to competition tables and scheduling of the playoff games will be put on hold."

 
But they changed them before the LH appeal was heard so what’s the difference 

Cap Football got to decide that first so made the change of their decision (and probably assumed either LH wouldn't appeal or they wouldn't win on appeal). Now that it has been overturned by NZF and they don't agree with that decision, they are hoping to change it back to what they feel is the correct decision (their one). Then its their website and also why would they make extra work for themselves.

Matt W-S

Feverish

Matt W-S

Feverish

Why aren’t they resetting the points?

They state here, because they are appealing it could change again (or not require a change at all)

"The New Zealand Football Appeals Committee have confirmed that a decision will be reached no later than 5pm 9 September. In the interim, any changes to competition tables and scheduling of the playoff games will be put on hold."

 
But they changed them before the LH appeal was heard so what’s the difference 

Cap Football got to decide that first so made the change of their decision (and probably assumed either LH wouldn't appeal or they wouldn't win on appeal). Now that it has been overturned by NZF and they don't agree with that decision, they are hoping to change it back to what they feel is the correct decision (their one). Then its their website and also why would they make extra work for themselves.

 
Yes that’s pretty much explains it and it also explains significant inconsistencies. 

I hope someone has extensively checked Comet/Records to definately establish that no ineligible player was involved in either of the 2 x IBU/LH games !...Now that would be a plot twist ;-)

The Phoenix various forays in club football haven't been big hearts and minds winners have they.

This whole thing is a shambles. 

What it will mean is that IB will win the league and go to the play-off. Seatoun will drop to 9th in the league via losing the 3pts they were awarded and goals.

Tyler

This whole thing is a shambles. 

That’s putting it mildly.

Interesting to see the Participation Agreement mentioned here. My best guess is that CF gave some kind of blanket dispensation for Phoenix players (or Phoenix thought they did) but players are actually registered for LHC so it didn't apply. Hope we get the whole story at some stage.

2ndBest

Interesting to see the Participation Agreement mentioned here. My best guess is that CF gave some kind of blanket dispensation for Phoenix players (or Phoenix thought they did) but players are actually registered for LHC so it didn't apply. Hope we get the whole story at some stage.

Edit: deleted

I think it's interestingt that there was a distinction where LHC players could enter the NZF cup competition, but not Phoenix reserve players. Clearly even in NZF eyes, there is a difference between the two entities.

Any idea when the appeal of the appeal happens?

This is me coming to the party late. But is it over them playing someone who is to young? That they didn't have dispensation to do??

Is the kid any good?

Which one (or the 10?) ;)

watching_from_far

This is me coming to the party late. But is it over them playing someone who is to young? That they didn't have dispensation to do??

Is the kid any good?

watching_from_far

This is me coming to the party late. But is it over them playing someone who is to young? That they didn't have dispensation to do??

Is the kid any good?

Probably easier to explain the offside rule 

Feverish

watching_from_far

This is me coming to the party late. But is it over them playing someone who is to young? That they didn't have dispensation to do??

Is the kid any good?

Probably easier to explain the offside rule 

It is, but I thought I'd give it a go

I've tried to stick with the facts as I understand them and have left out bits I have heard as some may be pure conjecture

Background

The Incident(s)

LHC appealed the decision to NZF

you forgot Wharf would win Cap1 which is the most important bit

Fascinating reading is it not? 🫣🤔

https://www.capitalfootball.org.nz/newsarticle/119643?newsfeedId=1551314

The JourneyFan

Feverish

watching_from_far

This is me coming to the party late. But is it over them playing someone who is to young? That they didn't have dispensation to do??

Is the kid any good?

Probably easier to explain the offside rule 

It is, but I thought I'd give it a go

I've tried to stick with the facts as I understand them and have left out bits I have heard as some may be pure conjecture

Background

• Wellington Phoenix Reserves (WPX) play in the National League - Central Region which is an NZF competition. To do this they have an agreement with NZF. 

NB The Central League is considered part of the National League, although it is administered by Capital Football it is an NZF Competition.

• Lower Hutt City (LHC) play in Capital Premier & Capital One. These are Capital Football (CF) competitions and are subject to CF rules.
• LHC have an MOU with WPX and the players in Capital Premier & Capital play as LHC players

The Incident(s)

• During the season one of the teams that came up against LHC, lodged a complaint with Capital Football over the use of several players they believed to not have dispensation
• CF investigated and agreed this was the case and informed LHC that they had been playing ineligible players.
• I understand that despite this LHC went and played the players after they had been informed it was the case.
• CF then followed their rules and docked LHC points in Capital Premier and Capital One for the games these players were involved in, they also fined LHC.
• CF issued updated tables, in Capital Premier LHC lost about half their points and in Capital One it was all their points

LHC appealed the decision to NZF

• The leagues continued and on the last day of Capital Premier, the results left Stop Out (SO) & Island Bay United (IBU) on the same number of points and the same goal difference. 
• This means the decider became goals scored and as SO had 42 to IBU's 40 SO were awarded the title.

• NZF then overturned the CF decision. IBU announced they had won the league. The Central League play off between Capital Premier winners and Whanganui Athletic was postponed.
• CF announced they are appealing the decision

• Result of the appeal will be known by Friday 9th 5pm 

Great summary - I think you missed the initial appeal? Feel like there was one before the one to NZF

Unknwn Quantity

The JourneyFan

Feverish

watching_from_far

This is me coming to the party late. But is it over them playing someone who is to young? That they didn't have dispensation to do??

Is the kid any good?

Probably easier to explain the offside rule 

It is, but I thought I'd give it a go

I've tried to stick with the facts as I understand them and have left out bits I have heard as some may be pure conjecture

Background

• Wellington Phoenix Reserves (WPX) play in the National League - Central Region which is an NZF competition. To do this they have an agreement with NZF. 

NB The Central League is considered part of the National League, although it is administered by Capital Football it is an NZF Competition.

• Lower Hutt City (LHC) play in Capital Premier & Capital One. These are Capital Football (CF) competitions and are subject to CF rules.
• LHC have an MOU with WPX and the players in Capital Premier & Capital play as LHC players

The Incident(s)

• During the season one of the teams that came up against LHC, lodged a complaint with Capital Football over the use of several players they believed to not have dispensation
• CF investigated and agreed this was the case and informed LHC that they had been playing ineligible players.
• I understand that despite this LHC went and played the players after they had been informed it was the case.
• CF then followed their rules and docked LHC points in Capital Premier and Capital One for the games these players were involved in, they also fined LHC.
• CF issued updated tables, in Capital Premier LHC lost about half their points and in Capital One it was all their points

LHC appealed the decision to NZF

• The leagues continued and on the last day of Capital Premier, the results left Stop Out (SO) & Island Bay United (IBU) on the same number of points and the same goal difference. 
• This means the decider became goals scored and as SO had 42 to IBU's 40 SO were awarded the title.

• NZF then overturned the CF decision. IBU announced they had won the league. The Central League play off between Capital Premier winners and Whanganui Athletic was postponed.
• CF announced they are appealing the decision

• Result of the appeal will be known by Friday 9th 5pm 

Great summary - I think you missed the initial appeal? Feel like there was one before the one to NZF

That’s right. Lower Hutt appealed the initial decision by Capital Football which CF upheld and then they appealed to NZF who overturned the CF decision. I also understand there was no initial complaint by any club that sparked the review, it just that CF became aware there was an issue and investigated it under its own steam.

NZF should be transmitting the fax to CF today 

Fax machine must be broken 

Dear Clubs,

Capital Football would like to provide an update to clubs regarding the dispensation regulation breach by Lower Hutt City AFC (LHCAFC). See previous communications on this subject HERE.

As communicated on Friday 2 September Capital Football decided to appeal the New Zealand Football Disciplinary Committee (NZFDC) ruling to the New Zealand Football Appeals Committee (NZFAC). The NZFAC carried out the appeal process over the course of the week which included detailed submissions from both Capital Football and LHCAFC.

The NZFAC have decided to uphold the appeal made by Capital Football and therefore supports the original decision made by the Capital Football Competitions Administrator. For clarity, the sanctions imposed on LHCAFC and the points deducted will stand.

Please note, that it is stated in the NZ Football Disciplinary Code, that this decision can be further appealed to the Sports Tribunal NZ or the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) in Lausanne, Switzerland, as specified in the NZF Statutes.

Capital Football are currently working through the next steps following receiving this decision. Given the number of variables involved, we will take some time to work with all parties before sending out further communications early next week to clubs. This will include details of final league tables and the Central League playoff fixtures.

Capital Football acknowledges that this process has had a significant impact on all clubs involved, specifically those affected in determining the respective league titles. CF appreciates the patience granted as this matter has played out.

Again, we appreciate your patience as we have worked through this matter. Should you have any questions, please feel free to contact our Operations Manager, Blair Duncan, at [email protected] 

Will it end here? 

🤔

Wait what... so no one lodged a complaint about Lower Hutt? the whole s show is CFs doing because they decided to investigate. It's an academy team made up of kids, just let them play.

watching_from_far

Wait what... so no one lodged a complaint about Lower Hutt? the whole s show is CFs doing because they decided to investigate. It's an academy team made up of kids, just let them play.

Rules are rules

watching_from_far

Wait what... so no one lodged a complaint about Lower Hutt? the whole s show is CFs doing because they decided to investigate. It's an academy team made up of kids, just let them play.

Don’t believe everything you hear.

Capital Football is now in a position to confirm the final league tables for Capital Premier and Capital 1, as well as the Central League Playoff fixtures following the dispensation regulation breach by Lower Hutt City AFC (LHCAFC).

The decision from the New Zealand Football Appeals Committee (NZFAC) was communicated on Friday 9 September, stating that the NZFAC decided to uphold the appeal made by Capital Football and therefore support the original decision made by the Capital Football Competitions Administrator. LHCAFC have confirmed that the club will not be appealing this decision to the Sports Tribunal NZ.

The Central League Playoff fixtures are confirmed and scheduled as below:

 

The league tables for Capital Premier and Capital 1 are also confirmed and remain as they currently stand, HERE.

Capital Football acknowledges that this process has had a significant impact on all clubs involved, specifically those affected in determining the respective league titles. CF appreciates the patience granted as this matter has played out.

Should you have any questions, please feel free to contact Blair Duncan ([email protected]).