You make it sounds like it isn't the norm to have a league exclusively for first teams
Central League 2013
It may sound that way but I'm not trying to make out like it isn't the norm. There are times where it works and works well. I just don't think it is going to benefit the region.
Just curious, when did the former Wellington reserves league finish? I can't recall which year.
Fair enough. I think a CL2 is different to kicking resie teams out of Prem. Ah the resie grade was maybe like 2004? Just a guess. It was a fail to be fair. The days of three or four Central leagues was pretty sweet though.
Sounds like a two tier central league is more likely.
Really? With Central Football? I like that idea. Who from Central football would be able to play Cap Prem level?
Not man, if any.
Which is the main argument against a second tier of central league. It means wellington clubs spending more money (on travel) for a lower or equivalent level of competition.
Would push reserve teams out though, so has some advocates for that reason.
Are you one of those advocates?
Surely if a reserve team is competing and holding their own at the prem/cap 1 level they deserve to be there.Should they be made to play at a lower grade just because they are a reserve team. Each team from every club has the same opportunities to make their way up the grades.
Would you have a reserve grade and end up with some great mismatches! Some reserve teams play alot further down the grades than prem,cap 1.
Surly this will them lower the level of the teams in cap 1,Prem who are struggling to match it with the current teams, thus making an even bigger gap abilty between Prem and CL.
I'm on the fence about a bigger central league.
Personally, my preference would be to have a mandatory reserve league that was U21 but allowed for a certain number of first team players each week. First team rosters to be named and fixed at the start of each season, with much more restrictive re-grading rules than the current ones.
I do think having second teams in your "next league down" creates some major problems. Imagine if Manchester United's reserve team was in the Championship for example.
Some clubs take the second league seriously and do well (Miramar for example), but others know that they can always get their second team out of trouble at the end of the year if necessary, so they don't.
I think those issues can probably be dealt with by tightening the re-grading and roster rules. The concept of "reserve" team doesn't belong in Cap Prem I don't think. If it's not a genuine team of its own then the club is doing it wrong.
I think the clubs need to be driven to do more for players leaving school, which is why I'd make a youth league mandatory.
That's just m2cw.
I quite like the idea of a youth reserve league with some age exceptions. Would it be worth having it more of an u19 league similar to what Auckland have? I see pros and cons of having it lower.
In Chch, the Reserve league to Mainland Premier League is officially known as Player Development League. Originally it had age restrictions around it - U21 or U23 from memory plus 3 over-age players I think but it's not enforced. Some clubs use it the way it's intended and the standard of football is good, probably on a par with the next Mainland Premier promotion/relegation league - Division 1.
None of the cl clubs were in favour of a cl 2 at cl meeting, but there was an interest in an youth reserve league with 3 over-age players.
None of the cl clubs were in favour of a cl 2 at cl meeting, but there was an interest in an youth reserve league with 3 over-age players.
Good idea. Similar to the National Premier Leagues here in Australia where the U20 teams are allowed to field 3-4 overage players each match.
None of the cl clubs were in favour of a cl 2 at cl meeting, but there was an interest in an youth reserve league with 3 over-age players.
Um none of those teams would be in it though.
So with that youth lge would resie teams no longer be in Prem?
A youth reserve grade has some merit but in reality would it be a true reserve league and what in all reality would the standard be like?
IMO it wiuld be a very big step from there to CL or even CP
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Um none of those teams would be in it though.
So with that youth lge would resie teams no longer be in Prem?"
You are right, none would be in CL 2 but would take away a lot of these clubs second teams out of the fold, meaning that the depth that these clubs have built, and gone through their own playoff scenarios to get to these grades with, will likely leave to play a better level (CL2) with another club. For me CL2 benefits 3 clubs in wellington... the top 3 in the champs premier. This will greatly weaken our leagues in my opinion and all the recent success of central league clubs in the chatham cup etc will be gone.
I just don't understand why we have to change the leagues every 3-5 years...what is broken with the current situation that we have to fix?
Yep I'm pretty sure wgtn football would collapse if anything changed from our perfect model
Fair enough. I think a CL2 is different to kicking resie teams out of Prem. Ah the resie grade was maybe like 2004? Just a guess. It was a fail to be fair. The days of three or four Central leagues was pretty sweet though.
Yep I'm pretty sure wgtn football would collapse if anything changed from our perfect model
Oh yeah or we will just change our leagues every 5 years in search of the perfect league.... there is no perfect league Greenie. But ya know what, let's just change it anyway. Make clubs pay more money to cover travel costs for teams like New Plymouth, Wanganui and Palmerston North to travel down to welly every second week.
Yeah but things do change so you need to keep an open mind. For example when CL started it was never expected that resie teams could potentially take over Prem. Good to keep an open mind and have discussion. I'm not convinced either way.
Yeah but things do change so you need to keep an open mind. For example when CL started it was never expected that resie teams could potentially take over Prem. Good to keep an open mind and have discussion. I'm not convinced either way.
Jesus when did you become the voice of reason?
#theskyisfalling
Understand that, but for ressies to get to that grade they would have had to work as hard as other 1st teams to get promoted, or used club depth which I don't see a problem with...I don't see why clubs who have managed to get their ducks in a row and give their players a chance to play a good standard whether that be 1st team or 2nd team should be punished.
I don't believe it should be about clubs but about player pathways. The clubs look after themselves with their chequebooks in paying coaches and or players.
We should have a youth reserve league with a proviso for up to a maximum of three seniors on the field at any one time. The first team should have a minimum of three youth players on the field.
Understand that, but for ressies to get to that grade they would have had to work as hard as other 1st teams to get promoted, or used club depth which I don't see a problem with...I don't see why clubs who have managed to get their ducks in a row and give their players a chance to play a good standard whether that be 1st team or 2nd team should be punished.
And that's a sound argument.
There's also some truth in the fact that reserve teams have a big influence over the league - they can be strong or weak depending on the first team.
Whether that's fair/okay/cool/the best thing or not is a reasonable discussion I reckon.
Like Greenie, I'm on the fence. There are solid arguments both ways imho.
The CL club prem teams are being forced out of prem league with the hope the players will swap to Prem 1st teams in CL2. This is my opinion from what I have read on here and heard external to a club. As I have not seen direct info from the club. I can see fun and defaults when a gisbourne team enters CL2 or are they barred
Agree. Read my first sentence
Fair enough. I think a CL2 is different to kicking resie teams out of Prem. Ah the resie grade was maybe like 2004? Just a guess. It was a fail to be fair. The days of three or four Central leagues was pretty sweet though.
i remember when NW dropped from CL1 to CL2 and everyone hated to play Gisborne…..
poor guys had to travel every second week and we complain about 1 long away trip…..
and at home they always had a edge weather you flew up or took a bus…..
now them were the days when administrators had some spark and fire in there belly..
Agree. Read my first sentence
Agree. Read my first sentence
I'm not certain but I think Maycenvale might have done that a couple of times too before they finally gained promotion. Probably an issue over in the Taranaki/Wanganui region too. Surely there is more money available now than in the good old days when we had 3 CL Divisions and had teams spread all across the central region.
I'm not certain but I think Maycenvale might have done that a couple of times too before they finally gained promotion. Probably an issue over in the Taranaki/Wanganui region too. Surely there is more money available now than in the good old days when we had 3 CL Divisions and had teams spread all across the central region.
I'm not certain but I think Maycenvale might have done that a couple of times too before they finally gained promotion. Probably an issue over in the Taranaki/Wanganui region too. Surely there is more money available now than in the good old days when we had 3 CL Divisions and had teams spread all across the central region.
Yes I remember the days of Gisborne City in the National league days I was in high school and sunday afternoons were especially good at childers road supporting them...had some cracking players and they were going great guns...must say it is sad they have lost their way...mind you no thanks to NZF and the many changes over the years probably didn't help them.
Any idea how they were funded? Gisborne is only a small town but they had a procession of pros coming through there. No pokies in those days.
Any idea how they were funded? Gisborne is only a small town but they had a procession of pros coming through there. No pokies in those days.
THey had a Russian sugar daddy in the early 2000s.
Gisborne City had an excellent commercial manager in Rod Husband.
In the 70s & 80s there must have hardly been a business in Gisborne that didn't sponsor the Sky Blues... made sense with half the town through the turnstiles
In 1980 sponsors included:
B & C World Travel
Guy & Dunsmore
Enterprise Cars
Trans Vision
KR Wood
Chris Fenn Sound & Colour
Gisborne Herald
Williams & Kettle
Te Hau Shearing
Hydro Me
Coppins & Coley
Sandown park Hotel
ANZ
Adairs
Hertz
2ZG Radio Gisborne
Gisborne Carpet Co
Allans plumbers
Christies
Sheridan Owen Motors
Gisborne Carpet
Bloggs Toyota
Bay Tyres
Guy & Dunsmore
Bluebird
Thanks Bruce, that's what I was asking for, the other answers related to their most recent attempts at the big time. I remember going up there to play age group football as curtain raisers and there were big crowds at Childers Road
Packer from Stop Out to the Bubbles?
great player & a good signing for the greeks, massive loss for Stop Out! i am sure he would have stayed if they had gone up.
And the golden boot Joe going to too?
Heard Stop Out we're doing lots for Joe off the field. Assuming he'll stay...
Yeah the man child is def staying at Stop Out.
great player & a good signing for the greeks, massive loss for Stop Out! i am sure he would have stayed if they had gone up.
Don't think too many people would have stayed after the big $ offer I heard the Greeks gave him.
Yeah, $50k a year, plus a house and shares in every greek business in wellington.... also free fish n chips for life