Finally some honesty!
Central League 2013
Yeah, $50k a year, plus a house and shares in every greek business in wellington.... also free fish n chips for life
Jeez even more than we thought!!
OK so not that but clearly more than the club who took a chance to bring him out from the UK could compete with.
Yeah, $50k a year, plus a house and shares in every greek business in wellington.... also free fish n chips for life
Has TerminatorX been told?
Yeah, $50k a year, plus a house and shares in every greek business in wellington.... also free fish n chips for life
The Petone SSS (Steve's Souvlaki Shop) is not happy with this. He did a dine and dash back in July when the grounds were soft and still no one could catch him.
Hey I know you guys may not give a rats about what's going on in mainland or elsewhere but plenty of you will: is shameteurism in our game just too big to tackle? It comes up regularly on every regional thread. Is there a workable answer?
Is there an answer to it ? Probably. Is the will to do anything about it? Probably not.
It has been an issue for as long as anyone can remember, some clubs have had the abilty to pay players, others go broke trying to keep up and others just muddle along doing the best they can.
Yeah, $50k a year, plus a house and shares in every greek business in wellington.... also free fish n chips for life
Jeez even more than we thought!!
OK so not that but clearly more than the club who took a chance to bring him out from the UK could compete with.
Also have to look at the opportunity to play a higher level. I have no doubt he would have stayed had stop out been promoted...whether there has been money offered or not.
$500.00 per game
$100.00 win bonus
$50.00 goals scored and assists
Yeah, $50k a year, plus a house and shares in every greek business in wellington.... also free fish n chips for life
Jeez even more than we thought!!
OK so not that but clearly more than the club who took a chance to bring him out from the UK could compete with.
Also have to look at the opportunity to play a higher level. I have no doubt he would have stayed had stop out been promoted...whether there has been money offered or not.
Yea maybe he would have... But maybe Olympic still would have come knocking offering more than his current club and he would have still taken it. Can't really blame anyone who does take up a good offer.
$500.00 per game
$100.00 win bonus
$50.00 goals scored and assists
Zoro is this a joke? Surely not that much
Easthope is at Oly now isn't he? Might have been a factor?
$500.00 per game
$100.00 win bonus
$50.00 goals scored and assists
Zoro is this a joke? Surely not that much
No joke.
No joke.
He would have stayed at SO if they had of got promotion......... Yea right.
$500.00 per game
$100.00 win bonus
$50.00 goals scored and assists
Zoro is this a joke? Surely not that much
Hahah....recon work pal, and yes Shaun is taking our reserve team this year.
why are all these people bothered about how much some players are getting paid to play footy (and dont give me the normal pishy rant about how it detracts from the juniors)!? i think it's because they were never good enough to get a cash incentive when they were running out for their club's 3rd teams! players getting paid has been around for years and will not change. i think players in the central league do actually play for the love of the game but why wouldn't you take a wee bit of coin if it is on offer - no brainer, especially when the lad you are talking about has left the UK to come out here and play football!
I suppose people get bothered when they see clubs effectively Bankrupt themselves paying, in many cases some pretty ordinary players, in an effort to keep up with the clubs who can, for what ever reason afford it. Certainly can't blame the players for accepting the dosh if it is on offer.
why are all these people bothered about how much some players are getting paid to play footy (and dont give me the normal pishy rant about how it detracts from the juniors)!? i think it's because they were never good enough to get a cash incentive when they were running out for their club's 3rd teams! players getting paid has been around for years and will not change. i think players in the central league do actually play for the love of the game but why wouldn't you take a wee bit of coin if it is on offer - no brainer, especially when the lad you are talking about has left the UK to come out here and play football!
I think people are interested in why clubs would invest that sort of money in local league players, for what major benifit? Its not about just detracting from juniors, in my opinion its about detracting from the rest of the club in general. Seriously good on players who can get that sort of money,just not sure what the club gets?
The other thing that bugs me is clubs who let other clubs put in hard work and take chances on bringing out players from overseas and then just offer them more money when they get here and show that they are good players. Put your own work in and take your own chances on bringing players out from overseas.... In my opinion... This is an opinions forum isn't it?
$500.00 per game
$100.00 win bonus
$50.00 goals scored and assists
Zoro is this a joke? Surely not that much
Hahah....recon work pal, and yes Shaun is taking our reserve team this year.
Whats young Matty Kolic doing?
Matty is taking some time out, playing thirds...
On another note, the reason clubs invest money in players is because they want to succeed and pride really. In the end, that's what we are playing for, bragging rights and wanting to be the best team as there is no monetary incentive. It's not only the paying of players that can attract, it is also important to get the right coaching staff and people with influence and to also provide a professional environment where players want to play and be a part of, and having a good bunch of lads that want to play together and socialise.
With anything in life, people come and go and move clubs or workplaces (example) for different reasons...bringing someone out from the UK doesn't necessarily mean they are expected to stay at the club till death and you can't begrudge a player for wanting to play higher and a club seeing value in a player and tempting him to join, this isn't an anti competitive environment where you can't talk to him because of reason x, everyone is open to have discussions, then make their own decisions
And the money that is being talked about on this forum is pretty outrageous...obviously zoro etc has a far better knowledge of olympic than i do.
And the money that is being talked about on this forum is pretty outrageous...obviously zoro etc has a far better knowledge of olympic than i do.
You're drunk a lot of the time to be fair ;)
Matty is taking some time out, playing thirds...
On another note, the reason clubs invest money in players is because they want to succeed and pride really. In the end, that's what we are playing for, bragging rights and wanting to be the best team as there is no monetary incentive. It's not only the paying of players that can attract, it is also important to get the right coaching staff and people with influence and to also provide a professional environment where players want to play and be a part of, and having a good bunch of lads that want to play together and socialise.
With anything in life, people come and go and move clubs or workplaces (example) for different reasons...bringing someone out from the UK doesn't necessarily mean they are expected to stay at the club till death and you can't begrudge a player for wanting to play higher and a club seeing value in a player and tempting him to join, this isn't an anti competitive environment where you can't talk to him because of reason x, everyone is open to have discussions, then make their own decisions
And the money that is being talked about on this forum is pretty outrageous...obviously zoro etc has a far better knowledge of olympic than i do
Good on Kolic, he will enjoy a season back playing.
Fair enough, if a clubs goals that they want to sink money into is winning the Central League and having bragging rights around the wellington scene, then fair enough and good on them if they can continue to do it and their success is sustainable. You are right, quality coaching staff, facilities all contribute to creating an environment where players will want to play. Olympic have a lot of those things going for them, so do many clubs around the Wellington area.
I never said that bringing players out from the UK should mean that they should automatically stay at the club till death. I also never said anything about begrudging the player for leaving. I merely stated that It was disappointing for clubs who take risks and invest time and effort into bringing players out from overseas, only for that player to get here, play well and for another club to see that and offer them more money to come to them.
I take your point about playing a higher level. Although I don't believe that was the driving force behind this player moving. I don't believe that Olympic didn't offer him far more money than his current club and I don't believe that that isn't the main reason behind him going.
I don't believe zoros ridiculous sums he put out there though.
So much disbelief.
On another note, the reason clubs invest money in players is because they want to succeed and pride really. In the end, that's what we are playing for, bragging rights and wanting to be the best team as there is no monetary incentive. It's not only the paying of players that can attract, it is also important to get the right coaching staff and people with influence and to also provide a professional environment where players want to play and be a part of, and having a good bunch of lads that want to play together and socialise.
well put
Players ARE being paid that much in central league though so it's not at all hard to 'believe' that figure. As stated by MH clubs want to win for pride etc so if one club is paying players that much every other club has to pay that much of they want to be realistic about winning the title. Obviously about five clubs are managing to do that and the rest are making up the numbers (or going broke and/or getting relegated which I've experienced).
Players ARE being paid that much in central league though so it's not at all hard to 'believe' that figure. As stated by MH clubs want to win for pride etc so if one club is paying players that much every other club has to pay that much of they want to be realistic about winning the title. Obviously about five clubs are managing to do that and the rest are making up the numbers (or going broke and/or getting relegated which I've experienced).
You decided on a Jafa town club yet TopLeft? I haven't seen that orange shirt pounding pavements around Remmers/Epsom/Greenlane yet. maybe after Xmas and N Year festivities are over...
Talking numbers, if you settle on a Div 1 outfit you've a 3 in 12 - or 1 in 4 - chance of promotion in 2014, with all the celebrations/spin-offs that might entail.
Na tbh haven't given it much thought yet but a mate of mine at eastern suburbs is keen to get me into his team there. I live next to madills farm so could be convenient if I don't move closer to the city in the new year. Really need to hit those pavements though!
But in reality I'm probably not going to make a first team at a club with a lot of money so that could count suburbs out
Na tbh haven't given it much thought yet but a mate of mine at eastern suburbs is keen to get me into his team there. I live next to madills farm so could be convenient if I don't move closer to the city in the new year. Really need to hit those pavements though!
Location! You've got the best pounding pavement in Auckland if not NZ: Tamaki Drive. I do it myself most days - though more sashaying than pounding. Not to mention a harbour to swim in afterwards. Btw, re East Subs and ready coin, mantain a firm bargaining position. Kevin Fallon wouldn't have come cheap, and he's no longer on their payroll.
Don't forget to send money back home TopLeft once you hit the big time up in the big smoke.... :-)
Haha don't hold your breath mate!
Easthope is at Oly now isn't he? Might have been a factor?
oh Shaun not Scott
The central league has obviously been recession proof!
Recession = more people getting desperate and jumping on the pokies = more money for amateur local clubs to blow on average players
A lot of people will jump to the defence of clubs who pay big dollars to bring in players to their clubs, sure it boosts the profile of the clubs and can bring the club promotion, club pride from winning etc which is good and all, but personally all I see it doing is destroying the smaller clubs who simply can not compete on a financial level with the Miramars, Rapas, Burbs etc who all have wealthy backers.
The small community orientated clubs like North Wellington, Brooklyn, Wainui, Marist, Wainui, Naenae etc etc struggle so much to draw players to their clubs because now they are financially unable to do so. When they do produce some local talent, a big club comes along waving $$ signs in the players face, which as said is always going to be hard to do when you're getting some pingers for something you love. I'm of the opinion that if clubs continue financially the way they are, then there'll be no choice but to make the process transparent and declare a salary cap in CL, to even out the playing field.
My ideas are obviously riddled with flaws, but I'm just not sure what else can be done to put the entire football community in Wellington on an even playing field across all grades.
A lot of people will jump to the defence of clubs who pay big dollars to bring in players to their clubs, sure it boosts the profile of the clubs and can bring the club promotion, club pride from winning etc which is good and all, but personally all I see it doing is destroying the smaller clubs who simply can not compete on a financial level with the Miramars, Rapas, Burbs etc who all have wealthy backers.
The small community orientated clubs like North Wellington, Brooklyn, Wainui, Marist, Wainui, Naenae etc etc struggle so much to draw players to their clubs because now they are financially unable to do so. When they do produce some local talent, a big club comes along waving $$ signs in the players face, which as said is always going to be hard to do when you're getting some pingers for something you love. I'm of the opinion that if clubs continue financially the way they are, then there'll be no choice but to make the process transparent and declare a salary cap in CL, to even out the playing field.
My ideas are obviously riddled with flaws, but I'm just not sure what else can be done to put the entire football community in Wellington on an even playing field across all grades.
But Chopah, with all due respect, the above has ALWAYS been the case. I started my playing days out in late 60's with a small Wgntn club as did 3 of my ex-schoolmates. With half the season gone my 3 mates had gone, 2 to Wellington's then 2nd top team. And yes, money was a factor even then.
^^ When I played at Wharfies, I got a red sweatshirt. It was all I needed
^^ When I was playing Wharfies were one of the most notorious paying clubs. (Not in red, black & whites stripes then).
"It's always been the case" seems to be the biggest argument given for it. It's not a very good one.
"It's always been the case" seems to be the biggest argument given for it. It's not a very good one.
OK, I'll put it another way. It always has been and always will be the case. That's football (once you've reached a certain level). Everywhere.