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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

You talk of ticking your boxes.

During our emails, chats etc you have mentioned a few things that you wanted put right. I promised you I would support you through this and would like to think I haven�t let you down so far.

These are the ones I/we have been working on and feel close to achieving, if not already achieved.

  • Measures put in place to prevent someone like Williams holding an official position within the club again
  • No more Williams photos or recognition in the clubrooms (WOW THANKS SO MUCH   THAT MUST HAVE BEEN A REAL HARD CHOICE)
  • An apology (WOW REALLY THATS WHAT YOU HAVE DECIDED, CANT BELIEVE YOU HAD TO HAVE SECRET MEETINGS TO DECIDE THIS)
  • Your total acceptance back into the club as an active member. ( DOES THIS GO TO ALL VICTIMS OF WILLIAMS AND PETONE SOCCER CLUB ?)

 

I will not support a call for resignation of all Life Members involved during William�s time or the Presidents resignation. I will not support the expulsion of the      family from the club.

These may not have been your requests but the suggestion has been made by others. I would like to make it quite clear where I stand on this.

If there are differences between people then I will work to resolve those differences.  I do not see these people, including myself as criminals.

If they have made mistakes as volunteers running a club then they have been made are aware of them. But they have not committed offences and have reached their recognised positions for other work they have done.

 

You mention there are other things that concern you. How about giving me the full list now so that I can move on to a conclusion

 

SORRY I STOLE THIS FROM

 

1.I will not support a call for resignation of all Life Members involved during William�s time or the Presidents resignation

OF COURSE YOU DONT        BECAUSE YOU ARE ALL COVERING UP TOGETHER. THE PRESIDENT SHOULD RESIGN , HE HAS NOT EVEN SAID ANYTHING. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU GUYS.

EVEN BLODDY       SAID TO ME THAT HE " COULD SEE WHO THE FAV BOYS OF WILLIAMS WAS" WHY DID NOBODY HAVE A WORD TO MY PARENTS ?

YOU ALL WATCHED WILLIAMS WITH ALL HIS LITTLE FAVOURAITES AND DID NOTHING.

PETONE SOCCER CLUB EVEN WANRED THE LOCAL COLLEGE NOT TO LET BOYS COME OVER DURING THE DAY / BUT DID THE WARN US NO

I AM SO SHOCKED ALL YOU ASSHOLES ARE STANDING THERE SAYING WE DID NOTHING ILLEGAL. BUT MORALY YOU GUYS f**kED IT UP.

I HAVE HAD SO MANY X PETONE PEOPLE AND SOME CURRENT PEOPLE RING ME AND SAY THat YOU GUYS NEW WHAT HE WAS LIKE.

YOU SICK f**kS EVEN LET HIM STAY AT THE CLUB AFTER HE WAS CONVICTED FoR A CRIME AGAINST A CHILD. YOUR SICK ANSWER " OH IT WAS ONLY MINOR" SICK f**kS

 

2.I will not support the expulsion of the       family from the club

SURPRISE f**kEN SURPRISE

 

3.These may not have been your requests but the suggestion has been made by others. I would like to make it quite clear where I stand on this.

WHO THE f**k DO YOU THINK YOU ARE. " I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE QUITE CLEAR WHERE I STAND ON THIS " WHO GIVES A FLYING f**k WHAT YOU STAND FOR. ONE THING IS YOU GUYS DO NOT GIVE A FLYING f**k ABOUT THE VICTIMS. BUT IF YOU WANT TO BE ASSHOLES AND STAND YOUR GROUND THEN BE PREAPERED TO PAY THE PRICE.

       HAS KEPT ME CALM OVER THIS BUT SORRY AFTER WHAT SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE TOLD ME IT IS f**kEN WAR.

 

4. I do not see these people, including myself as criminals

NO U R NOT CRIMINALS BUT MORALY YOU ARE SICK f**kS. YOU ALL KNEW AND YOU DID NOTHING. YOU ALL GIVE ME LAME ASS ANSWERS . I JUST CANT BELIEVE YOU GUYS.

YOU EVEN DOUBTED YOU HAD TO SAY SORRY. YOU GUYS ARE f**kED IN THE HEAD.

 

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But they have not committed offences and have reached their recognised positions for other work they have done.

 

OH OK SO THEY LET A PEDOPHILE OPERATE AT PETONE SOCCER CLUB. BUT THEY DID GREAT THINGS AT THE CLUB - f**k THE GOOD THINGS THEY DID THIS IS ABOUT THE f**kEN WRONG THINGS THEY DID yOU SAY WILLIAMS DID GREAT THINGS FOR THE CLUB BUT HE STILL GOES TO JAIL FOR WHAT HE DID WRONG.

 

 

YOU GUYS ARE A EMBARRASEMENT TO THE PETONE FOOTBALL CLUB. LET THE NEW MEMBERS RUN THE CLUB NOW. TIME FOR YOU OLD SICK f**kS TO STEP ASIDE.

 

YOU HAVE TAKEN SO LONG TO TAKE ANY ACTION WHAT SO EVER. IT IS SO WRONG . YOU GUYS ARE SO BLINDED BY TRYING TO PROTECT YOUR OWN ASSES THAT YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE BIG PICTURE.wE HAD TO DMAND THAT YOU TOOK WILLIAMS PICTURE OFF THE WALL (SICK f**kS) . oTHER CLUBS TOOK THEM DOWN STRAIGHT AWAY.

YOU HAVE ALL DISGUSTED ME OVER THIS AND YOU REALLY HAVE LET THE BOYS DOWN.

 

 

ITS NOT OVER

 

harrywgtn2010-03-20 12:56:35
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

harrywgtn, interesting comment you make re: �PETONE SOCCER CLUB EVEN WANRED THE LOCAL COLLEGE NOT TO LET BOYS COME OVER DURING THE DAY / BUT DID THE WARN US NO�

I and an other administrator from around that time heard that kids from the college across the way were not to be in the company of Mr W during school time, however there were times when I had to delver items to the Petone office, low and behold there were kids in his company without any adults around.

I can not say for sure if officials from the club knew, but I can remember saying to my offsider "how does the Petone club let Mr W get away with having school age kids in the office" because of all the �rumors� that were about at the time.

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
critter it is amazing how many adults at the club knew what he was like. I just feel like they really let the boys down.
As soon as this came out Petone should have jumped on it and said sorry to the victims , offer them counciling, took Williams pics off the wall etc etc.
But everyone was all concerned for themselves and the club not the victims.
I dont think these people really understand how this afects somebody when something like that happens at such a young age.
 
 
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
harrywgtn I hid your previous post as it was pretty much a foul mouthed tirade. We want to keep this thread open, but posts like that serve no purpose. Speak to the club involved directly rather than air laundry on here. Keep it clean an constructive. PM me if you need to. cheers

Founder

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
critter looks like the truth is not allowed to be told. this is worse than the churches
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I hope any one that has been affected by the actions of Mr W does not take the following that I condon what he has done, I DONT.

 

Petone was one of the few clubs that had a full-time administrator in those days, as I have said in a previous posting, Mr W would have been in the eyes of the club a very good administrator because of his ability to raise funds.

 

Knowing how some club administrators worked in the 80�s and 90�s, a person who could bring in the dollars was held in high regard by a club and was always given more  freedom (remember no money from the pokies those days).

 

From an outsider looking in, I would be very surprised the club had not taken some action against Mr W when the rumors started to surface, even if it was only �watch yourself�, but a committee member can not be expected to keep an eye on the office every single minute.

 

I hope there are no people on the Petone executive to-day that knew of complaints made against Mr W and just stood back for the sake of �the club needs him� because if they did, then, yes they should hang more than their heads..

 

At this stage I think we all should give the Petone Club the opportunity to make its own statement without any pressure.

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I have been walking the tightrope on this whole affair , between the Club and the Victims, but have now been cut adrift  from the Club, or its advisors  because of trying to bring both sides together.
There is only one bad  bastard, but sadly a lot of good people in my opinion are more worried about there personal reputations than those of the victims,.
I will walk into the court on Tuesday with just one of the victims,probably the only one who can or wants to attend,  and all of the Petone Club should be walking behind me, and behind him, it  will be the measure of the Clubs concern for the victims,  on how many walk with us .
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"I don't need the pope to apologize for the child abusers. I, and untold thousands of victims like me, needed the pope to apologize for the church hierarchy's role in choosing to protect the abusers at the expense of children. That's the real scandal, and the pope has been involved in that. He's not an innocent bystander," Madden said.

Very interesting reading. very well put.
harrywgtn2010-03-21 20:23:52
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
louie the fly - need to be carefull the opinion of one person may not be the opinion of the club. Maybe the president should advise officialy where they stand with you. You would think ?
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Williams was sentenced to 4 years 8 months jail this morning and the club have asked me to post this statement:

The entire Petone Football Club is deeply saddened by the events surrounding the Williams case. We have sincere sympathy for the seven victims and their families and are so sorry for the suffering and abuse they endured from Williams.

 
The club worked closely and cooperatively with the police throughout this case and our offer to meet with people and discuss the situation is genuine, especially with anyone directly affected and especially if this will help them in anyway. To date we have met with one victim and one other person closely involved. Please make contact with myself through chairman@petonefootball.org.nz if you wish to arrange a meeting.

 
Part of our recent focus has been on developing and implementing procedures to ensure to the best of our ability, that this type of behaviour is never repeated at our club. We will continue to work on these strategies and ensure new initiatives are implemented in a timely manner, which are reviewed regularly.

 
We do sincerely hope that the guilty plea and sentencing will offer some comfort to the victims and their families and provide an opportunity for the closure process to start.
 
Craig Deadman
Chairman
Petone Football Club
Smithy2010-03-23 15:42:07

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
My name is Wayne Smith, I played for Petone Soccer in the 70�s both as a junior and senior player and joined the club because Grant Williams asked me to .

I was coached by Grant for several seasons, and was not aware of any fellow team mates being victims, it was certainly never mentioned, I can also say I spent a lot of one on one time with Grant and was never put into an uncompromising situation or personally propositioned.

I don�t know the names of the seven victims but would be surprised if I don�t know some or all of those affected. To them I send my heart felt sympathy.

Why people are so dead set on trying to bring down the Petone Soccer Club over this leaves me a little perplexed. Are those so committed to this cause without sin? You have your man and he is being punished for his wrong doing, surely taking a lesson from this and moving forward is the best policy, making sure this does not happen again.

Let�s put the Ambulance at the top of the cliff, there are other sports clubs around Wellington harbouring this type of predator, that is where the attention should now be focused. None of us want a repeat of this horrible situation.

I am an administrator at the Petone Rugby Club and this has certainly made us more aware of the threats we face.

Let Petone Soccer get on and do what they do best and that is administer and promote football
After a fantastic year for football please don�t let this become the biggest story.

Wayne Smith.

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I know I will get slack for what I am about to write but I believe I have the right to my opinion and that people should respect that.

What Grant has done is worse than I can say with any words.  I have no medical research to back me in any way but I am pretty sure it is either the way he was born or his own background that made him be this way.  Whether it was Petone Soccer club or the local scouts organisation or church, he would have found a way to have access to young boys.  It is with him that full responsibility needs to fall. 

The Petone Soccer club may have done wrong in the past but why does that mean the club of today needs to pay for it?  Do we blame all the Germans of today for what Hilter did in the past?  Why should innocent people who know nothing of Grant pay for his actions?  The Club can't change the past, they can only learn from it (as can all organisations that deal with children) and do their best to prevent history repeating itself. 

The victims must be filled with pain on a level I could never start to imagine - maybe this pain and anger could be used in a productive way.  Instead of directing at the past, at things that can't be changed, why not use it to protect children in the future.   There needs to be more support from the Police.   I don't know the full details of the employment law but maybe that is something else that needs to be address.  But most importantly children need to know what is right and wrong and who they can turn to, who will listen. 

We can spend lots of time and energy blaming the soccer club, blaming our parents, blaming ourselves, blaming those we trusted but in the end it doesn't change what happened.  So lets do what we can to prevent more children being hurt in the future.  I am a parent now and I would be truly grateful if I knew from all this nasty past there was a brighter future for my children - my children who will proudly put on a blue shirt!


Blues12010-03-23 17:42:38
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@Blues. I know nothing of the issue, or the Petone Club, but my impression is that the victims (I hate that word, but can't think of anything better) are angry not at the club itself, but with people that remain involved with the club that were involved in that time.

Apologies if I am wrong.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Wayne I am one of the victims and before you comment I think you shouldd do some research
I am a tad disgusted by your uninformed comments
Thanks
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Another person that has has made no comment before Williams was sentanced.Blues 1 you are another person that is making uninformed comments.
Must be very nice to be able to comments from the sideline.
I am a victim of grant Williams
Yes petone made mistakes and till now they still have not made an opolgy for making terrible desicions.
I am disgusted in the president of petone soccer club. He has made no apolgy and has not contacted the victims. He has sat on his high horse and done nothing. He is a joke.
Blues1 - Do you know he was convicted of  sexual crime against a young boy in 1979 and Petone decided to keep him on ???????????
You have to remember that the victims are not punishing petone soccer club , williams has done that all by himself. You are correct the club cannot change the past but they club should apoligse for keeping Williams on after his first sexual offenc eagainst a child.
Yes you are correct you will never know the pain that the victims go throught. If you had been at court today and heard what Williams did to these little boys then you would not be making any comments because as a parent you would be sitting down crying that a grown man had done such disgusting things to small children.
Now if you got rid of a couple of people from the club then i would also be very proud to be on the blue shirt like i used to be.
no we cant change the past but does that mean people that made disgusting choices yearas ago should nowstill   be in charge of children.
I do respect your opinion Blues1 I think it is just misguided.
 
 
 
 
 
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Whilst in some respects I agree with the comments made by the two new members of the forum above, I can�t say I agree that posting ones emotions and perhaps laying indirect blame is not �productive� for those victims who may feel they have nowhere to turn (and haven�t for many many years.)

I have never been a victim to such a heinous crime, but I can only imagine that finally being free to express ones hatred and hurt, obviously in moderated form, is a saving grace for many (whether they be direct or indirect victims of Grant Williams.) Yellow Fever has provided a forum for such individuals and allows a moderated expression of opinion which we are all entitled to.

Whilst like you say we cannot punish all Germans for Hitlers actions, or the NZ and Australian governments for the atrocities of the early settlers, one still needs to take responsibility for what happened, not just the person who in fact committed the crime. Lessons can only be learnt by realising not brushing under the carpet, the actions or lack of action of the club-members at the time. From here we learn what processes and procedures need to be in place for protecting the children of the club in the future and the club can then move forward, hopefully mitigating such risks.

Whilst I was happy to see it make One News, Grant Williams is a plank for trying to stare out the camera and I am not at all surprised by Petone clubs non-appearance and comment �if we had of known we would have done something� � you were warned and you didn�t do anything, don�t keep saying you weren�t informed, and then expect people not to comment on here! I am only thankful that finally someone has listened. That the legal system has put Williams away and hopefully this is finally enough proof for those supporters of him all those years ago, who ignored the JFA and clubs like ours who attempted in vain to ban him, to finally take responsibility � THEN the club can move forward. For one, making sure those in charge at the time who are still in charge, either take responsibility or move on and let the club flourish.

Hopefully Harry and Petone1 (amongst others) can start to rebuild their lives, and stick it to that waster in jail!
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Sorry craig  . you have been brillaint in all of this and I thank you , darryl , steve for fronting up at the court to give us support from Petone Soccer Club. This was VERY much appreciated.
Craig I was really expecting a apolgy from the club for keeping Williams on afer he was convicted of a sexual offence against a child in 1979.
Craig I  am very shocked that after all this Time Petone cannot apoligise.
Petone kept him on after his sexual conviction against a child and did not inform parents of this.
I am sorry Petone football club . I was once vey proud to wear the blue shirt.
But now after all this time petone still cannot give a real apology that petone made disgusting desions. so it looks like from where im sitting you do not feel you are partly responcible for letting williams near us very small children.
I thought petone football club would say sorry for keeping williams on after he had been convicted of a sexual crime against a child. I thought they would say sorry for NOT advising parents at the club that williams had been convicted of a sexual offence against a child.
I thought petone would say sorry for hearing so many rumours about williams but not keeping him away from children.I thought the president would say sorry for taking him on after he left petone football club after I had let Petone soccer Club know that williams molested me.
. I could never be proud to wear the blue shirt again till the president has resigned and petone football apoligise for allowing him to stay at the club after he was convicted of a sexual crime against a child.
I dont think this is much to ask
The president has never said a word about this and I think it is too disgusting for words.I am lost for words that Petone football Club cannot say sorry.
Is Petone Football Club ok that they decided to keep Williams on after he was convicted of a sexual offence against a child ?
 
 
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Aitkenmike
 
You are correct. We all loved petone football club and some of us still do.
But Petone Foottball club is not helping themselves at all
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Harry1,
I am very sorry to read you are one of the victims but I find it a little disturbing you reacted to my post in the manner you did, firstly I did as much research as I felt was needed, simply put I stated my own position in this whole misfortunate event so no research was required. I didnt go digging to find out who the victims are as their privacy is theirs to hang on to.

I am not hiding behind a user name and am definitley a piece (albeit small) in this Jig Saw therefore entitled to an opinion, Can you please highlight which uninformed comment I have made, and do you not believe the time is right to prevent more of this happening by promoting awareness.

Once again I stress I am sorry to read you are a victim but in a lesser way I feel I am too, I really cannot explain why though, it is really wierd.

I am contactable by email wayne@petonerugby.com and willing to help mediate or discuss this off forum with anyone.
Please remember I am not by any means supporting Grant Williams in this. I thinkwhat he did was bloody disscusting
Regards Wayne.
Wayne Smith2010-03-24 08:26:24
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What  sort of comment was that from some dickhead that has stuff all to do withe anything
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I was very moved with the Clubs representation at court today, a sad day for all,  apart from the Paedophile Williams, it has been a tragic time, most memories will fade, but not all, those who struggle  to look me in the eye, will have to explain why some things happened....to me and to others.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Mr Fly, is that comment you made the way to handle this?

Wayne Smith2010-03-24 07:49:25
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Hi Harrywgtn,  I am sorry if I offend or don't have all the facts.  I guess I was just commenting on what I can see from the outside - and maybe I am not justified to do that.  I don't understand why the club can't apologise, especially if everything you have said is true. 

I wish you all the best
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Excuse me Sir, what do we have for breakfast today? is it porridge?  thank you Sir.
 
Wahooo Wahooo wahooo wahoooo wahooo
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
http://www.safenz.org.nz/sxdb/williamsgrant.htm
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I played some junior soccer at Petone. My father Doug Bishop coached at petone Soccer late '50s early '60s. Grant Williams was a friend of his and he became an occasional baby sitter when my parents played in their band at weekends. I was a young lad and as you can imagine I have never forgotten what happened.
Didn't know he was convicted until yesterday's news on TV but just a word of mitigation for the Petone officials- my parents never believed me re Williams- EVER!- so he was obviously plausible.
Hope the rumours of the treatment his type receive in prison is true .
My sympathies to other victims.
Graham Bishop
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hi
I am so sorry that Williams got to you as well. By the looks of it i think there are 100s of people out there affected by Williams.
You know its never to late to go to the police
I hope the local bad boys are giving him a hard time in prison
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I think Wayne I owe you an apology, and I give that,  my postings in the last 24 hours have been coming from my heart, from a person who has been trying to come to terms with this for around 25 years, and still stuggling, but the bastard has been punished and in a place that you and I would not want to be.
Sorry if I pissed you and anyone else off.
 
wahooo wahooo wahooo wahooo wahooo wahooo wahooo,
 
   
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Given the circumstances Louie, it is definitely understandable.
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Paedophiles frequently claim that they themselves were abused, but as a leading forensic psychologist pointed out: "People do not become abusers and criminals because they were abused" . According to NSPCC research huge numbers of people have experienced abuse or other victimisation in childhood ; however only a tiny percentage later choose to abuse other people.

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Having been coached by GW for several years in the 80s and 90s as a junior player at Petone I am saddened to learn of his offending. I wish his victims the very best.

My memories of GW are that he was a seemingly charming coach. He was eloquent, fun and  entertaining. It appears to me that he had an array of skills to disguise his offending and diffuse any rumors that surrounded him.  The fact that I enjoyed my time at the club, I think shows that GW manipulated and controlled expertly.

Having said that and thinking back 20 plus years I don't think my friends and I fully trusted him
but his friendly demeanor charmed away suspicion and his dominant personality shut down any speculation. GW was very good at appearing nice. 

My parents knew nothing of the existing concerns about GW prior to my joining the club. They certainly were not made aware of these when I joined. It would be tragic if these rumors were hushed-up as a lot of terrible hurt may have been avoided. But politically GW would have been a formidable opponent inside a small club.
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You are right it is terrible that these rumours were hushed up by the club for so many years. He was formidable but there were many opportunities to get rid of him with the backing of other clubs and associations but those in charge chose not to. Many people have documented this already, along with the Dominion Post yesterday, very sad state of affairs that hopefully new management at Petone can learn from and recover the club.
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Louie the Fly,

I accept your apology and understand your emotions at the time.

 

Larryp you have summed GW up perfectly, exactly as I remember.

 

I regarded GW as a friend whilst I was at the Club, something I don�t imagine he has in great numbers at this time, I was shocked to hear what he himself was subjected to as a child, I am sure he brought this up in court to try and justify his own actions,  when you think about it he is a victim also, he unfortunately became one of the small percentage that go on to offend in this way. Of course this doesn�t make his actions any less despicable

 

Like I said before, �You have your man� But there are lot�s more GW�s out there.

The lessons are in place for those running sports and every one needs to be more vigilant, If a young child or youth mentions or hints that they may have been approached inappropriately, Please listen, don�t act in a vigilante manner but do what you can to check it out, pass on your concerns to the relevant authorities and follow up to make sure due diligence is given to the situation.

 

You won�t hear from me again on this matter but my offer to mediate or discuss this off forum still stands.

Regards Wayne smith

Wayne Smith2010-03-25 11:34:13
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Wow 4 weeks has passed and still no apology from Petone Football club to the victims of Gw in Petone football club rooms.
Even the judge said Petone football club made a very bad decsion in keeeping Williams on after he was convicted of a sexual crime against a child.
It amazes me so much that they wont say sorry for there part in all of this.
Amazing ,
 
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And why is this the place to raise that concern exactly?  Wouldn't you be better served contacting the club directly?  Or are you more interested in stirring up a good story than actually getting an apology?

Furthermore, didn't the club express it's sorrow in the paper at the time?  What are you expecting exactly?

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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Hi
Me again
Just a quick note to the supporters of the pedophile G. Williams that are visiting him jail and giving him support
You will be named and shamed. Then you can expalin to family , workmates , joe public etc why you visit and support a pedophile.
 
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
just dont name and shame them here please

Founder

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