Grant Williams

Grant Williams

.petone12009-10-13 10:25:34

bit wierd how it says he left because of 'declining sponsorship'

Old news but still a wake up call for Clubs. Anyone out there do police checks on their junior coaches? Just takes 1 bad apple.

Have you done one on me Rightstr?

When I worked childcare for I had to get police checks done on me. I don't see there being any difference on it done on sports coaches and have no problem with it, even if just to put parents minds at ease.

When I was coaching in England I had to have an Enhanced Disclosure CRB check done before I was allowed on the pitch.  That involved giving up every address I had lived at for the last 7 years.  They contacted the various agencies in every country.  Took months.  Fair enough though.

By the way I have edited the thread title to be a bit more descriptive and a little less emotive.

Was Stick one of his victims?

While a police check might seem like a good idea. It is only as good as the paper it is written on, ie no previus convictions no record to check.

I personally disagree, for two reasons:

1. It's better than nothing. It's impossible to predict what a coach may do, but it's easy to find out what they have done. If parents want that reassurance then they deserve it, even if it is only as good as the paper it's written on.

2. For the clubs own protection. Cases like these could damage a team's reputation. With this new out, some parents may be less likely to sign their kids up for Petone, or worse, football.

I don't disagree with you at all Robb.  I too think it is a good idea.  But it is by no means full proof.

My bad, I read into fuah69's comments as disagreement of the idea of police checks not being useful at all, but upon re-reading I see he just said they weren't 100%. Which I don't disagree with either. Guess I need another coffee

I too, think we should be moving in this direction.

However, I'm currently waiting on one to renew my practicing certificate for teaching.  I understand the waiting time is around six weeks if you have been overseas for longer than 6 months in the last 10 years.  Imagine the waiting time if football started doing them on all junior coaches, when all our new coaches arrive in March....And then rugby starts doing them, and then hockey, etc...

The current New Zealand system is not time effective, and what do the clubs (and schools) do until they arrive. Delay teams playing????


Crazy-Horse2009-05-31 14:17:47

No, they just box on and do the best they can.

The fact it takes a long time is hardly a reason not to do it, is it?

Anyone with issues with the person named can contact me lbsutherland@clear.net.nz I can advise you on who to contact if you so desire.....kia Kaha..Laurie

I attended the Court this week and the pre depositions hearing was postponed because of new charges being laid.

Grant Williams now has to appear in Court at Lower Hutt  on July 9th at 10am  for a Pre Depositions hearing to face a total of 17 charges. This information is a matter of Public Information and is available from the Lower Hutt Court .

smithy, do p.checks cost $, and if so, surely the club Could be further burdened financially( thus flowing on as an increase in subs),when most coaches are the parents themselves. surely a more "trusting kiwi" approach from clubs would be to enforce a 2-coach  policy up to u19 level for example.   In all contact with youth ,2 have to be present allways. if one cant make it & dont have a replacement ie. another parent, no training or game.  whether its 1 coach and 1 parent, or 2 coaches, its gotta be a sick pairing for both to get up to no good. To simple? maybe 3 or more are required?

hence, i did suggest another parent, surely 1 parent will come watch their child in any grade . and if not ,....no game or training! sounds extreme....yes. safer.....yes. less hassle than getting p.check...yes. look as long as there's 2 , the 2nd dosen't have to be involved, but they'd be a lot warmer if they did. you could even roster the 2nd person, 2nd best. good way to develop parent coaching ability if they all take part at least once. no?

ok i see you feel strongly about that , good on ya, what about the suggestion in the interim, cos clubs have to be forced to comply by nzfa regs and they dont get changed overnite pizda2009-06-19 17:24:31

I don't know the ins and outs of current allegetions, but I would suggest in most of these sport's related offences that the acts would have taken place after practice and not during it.  Perhaps offering to pick up or drop off players back home.  It would be the one-on-one situation where the most risk is. 2ndBest2009-06-19 17:29:33

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you're not wrong! had a classic "pedo" at **********when i was in late teens. would always  show interest in your injuries then take you to changing-rooms so he could diagnose & massage. obviously he got up to no good or at least tried to. i was not impressed with where  he was going and told him so. his response was always defensive saying it was all part of it in some way. this guy was not even my coach, he was an assistant to another team. he preyed on the niave young footballer that would feel like he had to comply to foot it in the big leagues. i think he was a teacher..... he had police checks.... he is still involved today in COLLEGE football !!!!!!  do you want his name OR do you want him to have someone else with him to deter the old pedo? Feverish2009-06-20 21:45:41

Firstly, I don't think it is wise to publicly publish name.

Just a reminder that this is a very sensitive topic of discussion.  Please tread carefully.

Tks.

dont want to name him on forum, never intended to. spose i'm trying to highlight the need to do something pro-active  in the interim,and to further encourage the end goal ,by process .hey its a very sensitive PC world we live in nowdays. whether you're a creche worker or a mega pop-star, you're placed under huge scrutiny when you deal with kids. there is no quick-fix solution, and  whilst i strongly agree with having guidelines put in place , i have to reserve my decision on having to comply with obtaining police approval. A WEED will always slip through the crack. pizda2009-06-20 00:03:41

If what pizda is hintng at is true then surely pizda has an obligation to take the matter further?

.petone12009-10-13 10:26:25

I have been getting a lot of response from this posting, some good, some bad and a lot bagging of the Petone Club, well bearing in mind there has been no conviction yet, I think I can inform eveyone, the accused  was involved with at least two other  Hutt valley Clubs and was also a Rep Coach and not all of the complainants were involved with Petone.   

Once his name and history is out in the open it is a matter of public record. Forums must be careful of not breaching court restrictions and slander so posting say a news article is ok but commenting on it could get the forum in hot water.

petone12009-06-22 11:41:05

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