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Kelly Cup action - who'd be a ref?

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Kelly Cup action - who'd be a ref?

Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's living in Agadez, Niger. Spending more time in town, Agadez, as bad people in the desert are spoiling the good life.
19/4/26.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I went up to Harcourt Park eariler to watch Upper Hutt City play Marist in the Kelly Cup. Good game. UHC won 5-4.
With about five minutes to go the ref gave a pen after a UHC player handled on the line.This followed - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSQaOgF7yck

Ref gave it... what do you think? That said it made the last five interesting.

dairyflat2008-06-15 17:00:43

Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's living in Agadez, Niger. Spending more time in town, Agadez, as bad people in the desert are spoiling the good life.
19/4/26.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

So he reckoned that went in? How on earth would it bounce back like that if it had crossed the line?

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

It wasn't Kelly Cup, Dairyflat - try the National Women's Knockout Cup.

Thanks for the info - helps with my round-up.

Cheers,

JR

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

interesting. Have to question why the ref (or lino if there was one) wasn't standing on the goal line in the first place

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Referee was in the wrong position for the penalty. As said before, he should have been standing where he could se straight down the goal line.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I think you'll find when there's just the one ref and no linesmen the split the difference so they can police both encroachment into the area AND ball crossing the line.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Having just slated the ref on the radio I am going to now state that this WAS a goal.

Clearly hits the BACK stanchion.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Smithy wrote:

Having just slated the ref on the radio I am going to now state that this WAS a goal.

Clearly hits the BACK stanchion.

Why then does the penalty taker (who surely would have had the best view of whether it went in or not) attack the ball when it comes back out in an attepmt to score from the rebound?

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Stop undermining my attempts to provoke argument with your sound logic.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

It bounced back on far too much of an angle to have gone in

Allegedly

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

If it can hit the front bar and bounce back that way then surely it could hit the back bar the same way!?

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I cant open that link?

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Hmm good point smithy..after watching it again,it just may well have.

Browner,copy and paste it into your browser

Allegedly

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Ive watched it loads of times now.

But if you turn the sound right up I think it gives it away - the ball has hit the bar and come back.

No goal.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

But did it hit the crossbar...or the bar behind it (which is over the goal line)?

Allegedly

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I think it hit the crossbar then the post. Otherwise it could have come back towards the penalty taker. I guess the reff thought that it hit the support bar behind the goal.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

More importantly for sl*gging purposes - who was the ref?

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I think you m,ay be right smithy, it looks like it hit the back bar and comes out of the goal. Ref was right to award it.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Tune into Andrew Dewhurst's Total Advertisement Football Show on Radiosport next Sunday about 8.20 to see if I remember to make a grovelling, snivelling, self-effecing apology.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

liverpoolfan1 wrote:

Why then does the penalty taker (who surely would have had the best view of whether it went in or not) attack the ball when it comes back out in an attepmt to score from the rebound?

Can anyone answer this?

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I can. Because it didn't go in.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

I can. Because it didn't go in.

Exactly. So why does everyone think it did?

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

It did go in, you can clearly see it if you pause the clip at he right time. It went under the cross bar, hits the back and comes back out.

A dog with a bone :)

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Is there actually a back bar? There are the support bars on the side and it certainly didnt hit them. 2ndBest2008-06-16 09:48:37

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I think you will find that at that level Assistant Refs would have been appointed and therefore acting as Goal Judge, so the refs position as shown on the video was correct. Looks like back bar to me too.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

You think? I reckon it looks more like the sag of the net. Perhaps someone from Upper hutt Afc can fill us in.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

You think? I reckon it looks more like the sag of the net. Perhaps someone from Upper hutt Afc can fill us in.

The goals at Harcourt park from which the mighty Upper Hutt City play from, do indeed have a back bar. And watching the clip a few time it looks to me as the ball does deflect from that back bar.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Someone should tell the penalty taker that if the ball comes back off the post that she has had her kick and should leave it for someone else to kick. On the other hand, if the ball went in the goal, she doesnt have to kick it in there again. Once is enough.

We're Forever Causing Trouble

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

The ref is Mark Hewitt by the sound of it, and their would have been a signal from the linesman to inform him of the goal, not that I can see a linesman, however their would certainly have been one appointed. So the ref is in the correct position, however I'm sceptical that that went into the goal, granted the video is poor quality but to me it looks like it hit the post!

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Definitely a goal.

Hits back bar.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Quite obviously hits the bar behind the crossbar that stops the net sagging behind the keeper. Good on the penalty taker for trying to stick it away again.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

SportZone wrote:

Quite obviously hits the bar behind the crossbar that stops the net sagging behind the keeper. Good on the penalty taker for trying to stick it away again.

Sorry but their is no way their is anything obvious from that video footage.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I was playing in that game and it definately hit the second bar so was a goal, the ref got it right, doesn't help that the linesmen don't even know what day it is let alone whether the goal went in or not, apparantly they are there to gain experience

- but hey thanks for watching our game and creating a thread, we feel mighty important just when we thought no one cares about womens soccer

and the game was played in pretty good spirit by the players even with some dodgy linesmen calls.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

FootballForever wrote:

I was playing in that game and it definately hit the second bar so was a goal, the ref got it right, doesn't help that the linesmen don't even know what day it is let alone whether the goal went in or not, apparantly they are there to gain experience

- but hey thanks for watching our game and creating a thread, we feel mighty important just when we thought no one cares about womens soccer

and the game was played in pretty good spirit by the players even with some dodgy linesmen calls.

You should be happy to get any kind of linesman, Capital 1 and below hardly ever get them!

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

you reckon?

You don't pay the same fees to enter the league in cap 1 as you do in CL and quite frankly they just cause a hassle when they are so inexperienced with the ref signalling one way and them the other its very frustrating and I don't think it helps the ref any either as they never know if they actually may have got it right that time or not or whether they should overule or not as its not good for their confidence!!

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Fair enough!

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

FootballForever wrote:

I was playing in that game and it definately hit the second bar so was a goal, the ref got it right, doesn't help that the linesmen don't even know what day it is let alone whether the goal went in or not, apparantly they are there to gain experience

- but hey thanks for watching our game and creating a thread, we feel mighty important just when we thought no one cares about womens soccer

and the game was played in pretty good spirit by the players even with some dodgy linesmen calls.

Agree - goal, where is the doubt ? hit the back stanchion that runs across the roof of the goal, clearly in.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

I think it hit the crossbar then the post. Otherwise it could have come back towards the penalty taker. I guess the reff thought that it hit the support bar behind the goal.

Glad you weren't the ref.................

cause that whats the ball hit, fair goal

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

i'm sure you have all heard 'play the whistle'...?

the reason the penalty taker attacked the ball (after it hit the back crossbar and bounced out of the goal) was that the ref hadn't called it yet, and i sure wasn't prepared to trust that the ref would make the right call... eventually.

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