Mainland Juniors (please play nice)

Hurunui Rangers might have a cheaper option. Alternatively take up rugby. 

I'm in a position where I can afford the subs, but I suspect plenty wont be, I would imagine Waimak will take a hit in playing numbers this season if what I hear among the local areas is accurate.

Most people on this forum seem in favour of these increased subs or at least unfazed, but I imagine the masses who don't read the forums will have a different view.

As a sport I think NZ Football is general is in dangerous place, Nix going poorly, NZF taking mis-step after mis-step, crowds are down  at the Nix, and in the NZF Premiership (Nelson apart) and now hugely inflated subs. 

many good points Dougie

I'm not sure about "unfazed" but I feel some of us are tired of carting the same shark uphill for years. 

I hope people don't move club or change codes due to issues with subscriptions but without hopefully sounding like a broken record this is the reality for some of us. And I've brought it up for the last 7 years

I spent the best part of 20 years on the Board/Committee of one of the larger cricket clubs in Christchurch and we were always at pains to keep subs down, and worked the 'Pokies' Trusts as much as we could. Our kids subs are currently $40 (or $60 if you have two kids), and our absolute priority was keeping subs down for kids to enable participation.

Some of these Football clubs have salaries in the $100-$150k mark which is remarkable compared to cricket clubs (Ours was somewhere around $20 for two roles - a coach and a secretary/treasurer).

My mates 4 yr old will be paying $165 to play 'football', still seems so excessive....

However time will tell and it will be interesting to see the numbers other clubs post when it comes to advertising registrations and subsequently subscriptions.

I note Waimak who post plenty of stuff on their FB page haven't put their new document up, I suspect they're imagining the comments it will bring...

For the sake of comparing Apple's with Apple's, how much of the rugby sub goes to the nzrfu, Canterbury rugby union or north Canterbury suburbs union, and the crusaders in levies? How much do the crusaders pay  sky to get on tv and give sponsors exposure?
Likewise does the cricket club with the 20k wages bill run 48 weeks per year? How many players teams are we talking? Do they run their own internal academies, schools competitions, off-season programmes?

I'm not a fan of the new structure, as living, working and playing on the East I know many that would not be able to afford a $800/$900 sub. 

The thing that gets me, is that clubs are using the "FTC was charging this so we will do the same" reason for charging these fees. When all along, clubs would have a coach that would run two training sessions and the game on the weekend. What has suddenly become all the more expensive? 15 players paying nearly $1000 each either means heaps going to the coach or the club. I know if you break it down to a per session basis it is a small amount however can anyone tell me what the difference is from this year to last year?

It's up on their website now, wow. Waimak  

Waimak getting some heat on their FB page about their subs.

Wow you're not wrong there - fairly brutal in some cases.  The prices Waimak have put in tho, is that going to be reflective of the new standards and be introduced to all clubs?

I don't think so. There is the club based FTC money go round however it appears Waimak are also introducing something to assist with their volunteer issues as well. I've had this issue for years too so I know what they're on about however they should have released the discount information at the same time I reckon.

As discussed at their agm the volunteer roles will be selected online (all automated) and the plan was to have it available during the registration process. New nzf database system may have slowed this up. Guess those who attended the agm and full presentation understand the system and those that dont comment on FB/forums.

Seems pretty simple, not sure why you can't understand it. People pay twice as much as they did last year, or at other clubs, and you can get credit back for doing volunteer work. My previous comment about releasing what you get money back for may have solved some complaints. Only releasing half the story means people will no doubt comment on a 100% increase in subs.

Agree (somewhat) purely because these days very few people take responsibility for finding out things themselves like attending your club agm. They want to be spoon fed everything. I can totally understand the need to reward those who give a damn and tell those who don't to cough up!

Whilst there are those that just don’t attend these things there are also a lot of people that can’t for different reasons such as family commitments and work, which means when information is released then all the information should be released, not just part of it

Volunteering info here

If you did 20 Sausage Sizzle duties your subs would be the same as last year (based on 9-11th grade subs prices), $365 down to $165.

A little misleading. If you read the info the $365 sub now includes three terms of skill centre which was $160 last year on top of subs. So 20 sausage sizzles makes your sub around $100 cheaper than last year!! Seems more than fair.

interesting concept with the volunteer rebate thingy

Yep, another rort in the making. Huge administrative nightmare coming right up.

That's not my take on it, it states 21 Academy Sessions and 21 trainings with your team, which is 1 of each during the season, which is basically the same as the usual 2 'trainings' a week. 

I assume the 21 weeks of Academy are during the season, and therefore is no different to last year in terms of trainings. Only slight difference might be who takes the Academy, if its the FDO then the quality is higher, but my guess is that it will be the same coaches as the kids have for their other training and the game on Saturday. Or they'll swap them around, so say the 12th grade coaches will do the 11th Academy training and vice-versa.

Which, in the most roundabout way, gets back to my original point.

Just because the FTC cost $900 last year doesn't mean the clubs need to do the same. Is there any difference to the 2/3 trainings a week and the game on the weekend? Where is this money going?

This.

are sessions on turf as opposed to grass? do they get kit included? are there qualified coaches? they may be upping their game in areas like that?

But what happens if a player doesn't want 3 terms of Skill Centre as they are involved in Summer Sports during Term 4 & 1? Has this been taken into consideration?

I certainly think Waimak are on the right track with trying to institutionalise Cost rebates with Volunteer hours. 

Good on them for trying it out.

The rest of the questions around club subscription rates are not club specific and IMO the governing body has to have both a clear understanding and policy with all clubs

For sure it has to be clear that the geographical catchment areas of clubs means we certainly don't/ won't/ can't have anything lke a level playing field which used to be a major part of the charm of Association Football

Old Man continues to shake fist at clouds. 

Nomads have put the cost out there.

https://www.nomadsafc.org/junior-youth

Talent Centre 2018 – Applicable to 13th and 14th Grade Only

As a NZ Football accredited Talent Centre for 2018, Nomads United AFC are pleased to invite players to trial for our 13th and 14th Grade Talent Centres places in 2018.

Please note: Talent Centre trials are open to any Div.1 or Div 2. Players in 13th grade in 2017 or "A" Band players in 12th grade in 2017. Exemptions to this can only be approved by our Director of Football prior to trials.

To attend the talent Centre Trials you MUST complete the expression of interest to trial form in our 'Shop'. There will be a minimum of three trials for the Talent Centre places and trailist are encouraged to attend all three. Places are limited.

Players invited to the Talent Centre in 2018 must have read and understand the terms and conditions that go with trialling and selection. If you are unsure if you should be trialling for the Talent Centre or our Community Teams, please contact us on [email protected].

All players who trial are still eligible to play for a Nomads United AFC team. If you are not placed in a talent centre you will still be placed in a team for the 2018 football season based on ability. Players do not need to attend the Club trials.

Fee Structure 2018:

Minimum 90 contacts covering 30 weeks (Term 1, Term 2, Term 3 and Term 4) + approx. 20 games - $695 if paid in full by 5th March 2018 or $750 if paid in instalments.

For those who wish to pay by instalments, we offer the following plan:

$250 on acceptance of Talent Centre place no later than 5th May 2018

$250 no later than 23rd April 2018

$250 no later than 16th July 2018

All Talent Centre players are required to register with Nomads United AFC and pay the applicable registration fee for 2018. Registration to the Club must be completed by 28th February 2018.

Uniform: Players will be given a login to our Kitman website to purchase a Talent Centre training top and shorts. This is compulsory for all players. The training top is a blue top and shorts are blue. Playing footwear, shin guards and red socks are compulsory.

To be eligible to trial for our Talent Centre, you must complete the expression of interest form on our website www.nomadsafc.org prior to Saturday 10th February.

FMD, the worlds gone mad. 

No disrespect to Nomads or any other club I'm not getting at you in particular but if this is what NZF and Mainland are looking for if a club is to be licensed I'm about to piss on their fish and chips.

Talent center or Community football?

Winner or loser?

Are you serious or just kidding?

Big balls for anyone in this city to call yourself a coach good enough to turn out international or Premiership quality players ffs.

Having been there and tried to do that (not) I'm pretty sure I ruined just as many players futures in the game as those I enhanced, possibly more :) at a much cheaper price which I think will be exactly the same outcome here in little old ChCh with this cunning plan.

Who are you to write off a 12 or 13 year old kid with a passion for the game and big dreams? Mainland you are supposed to foster the game, not turn it into an elite sport based on money! Rugby and Netball will be laughing there socks off at this one. How on earth do you justify this?

This is so much bullshark where do I start?

With the 11th grade "D" team I played in all those years ago (11 a side to boot on full size pitches) when coaches obviously knew next to nothing because nobody considered paying them? The ones who were really good did it because they loved the game, knew how it worked and were able to communicate that effectively. And the ones who weren't were still great guys giving back to the game. And everybody had fun. Now you have to pay a fee and get a certificate  before you get in amongst it. Tell me, do the players get reimbursed if the coach isn't good enough and they don't make the grade? Remember you're selling a dream here, not a certainty. In my day dreams were free.

Actually I'd like to apologise to the board of Coastal who I gave a serve to at the recent AGM for not aligning with Mainlands "vision" and "strategy", clearly I was out of line if this is the sort of crap they are now dishing out to clubs. As someone who tried and failed to organise a rostered sausage sizzle for juniors every Saturday morning once upon a time, then undertook to do it myself, I think this whole approach stinks. Parents working as "volunteers" to offset the outrageous fees, good luck with that. Almost makes me happy I'm not involved anymore. This is so so sad.

So 30 odd people, possibly more, running a sausage sizzle at a game lmao this will be a sight to behold.

Exactly Ron & what will the clubs do for money if all the parents take the volunteer option rather getting a 2nd mortgage to pay the fees for this pipe dream - I don't think any FDM's would accept 5 dozen sanggers & a couple of loaves of bread a week as payment!!

A number of these "elite" kids are often quite talented in a number areas & not just other sports but scholastically & musically etc also & I can see a number of parents not letting little Jimmy or Geraldine get involved due to the time commitments required as much as the financial burden. 

In the teams I coached back in the day it was normally the kids who had a wide range of extra curricular activities who were the best performers as they were fresh & keen. Those who only played football were often stale & were no where near as good as they thought, or daddy told him he was as dad tried to live his failed football career vicariously thru his poor son - it is just like those terrible singers that turn up to audition every season of the Idol shows 'coz mummy & daddy tell them they have a beautiful voice only to leave in tears of disbelief when they are confronted with the reality that they are completely "shark" despite some music teacher providing lessons for the last 5 years & happily taking their money.

I have some knowledge of what will be 14th Grade this year, based on the 13th grade from last year. The Nomads team who won it had 15 good players IMO, and they could play any of those 15 players without losing too much on the field. In comparison,some of the other teams who finished near the bottom had a handful of good players, some decent players and some really not up to the standard.

I don't know if I've worded that well, but my point is aimed the kids of the weaker teams who you might say are in the 'decent' or not up to standard' mark. The parents of these kids now have to pay $900 for them to play football. 

And yes you would imagine with 'better' coaching and more of it they should improve, but to what level?

Last season around 18 kids (parents) paid for FTC, and now you're looking at around 100-130 (6-8 teams of around 16 kids).

It will be interesting how it goes for Cashmere Technical as they are preparing to charge the following for this season.

Taken from: http://ctfc.co.nz/uploads/2015/2016/2017/2017/Presentation%202018%20CTFC%20.pdf

•CTFC Academy Teams

- 30 week detailed coaching program

- Senior Level 2 qualified coach

- includes all gear – playing kit the same as first team, training top, shorts, socks, hoody or jacket, kit bag.

$990 plus registration (reference FTC was $850 plus gear costs)

•Includes cost of all external providers

•We are a non profit organisation whos only goal is to provide great development opportunities

•We will, as we always have, support any families who have financial barriers to participate

So you are up for over a $1000 for the season if you want to play in the Premier Youth grade at 13 or 14's.

I have two sons who have done FTC, NTC, Dragons Camps etc but realistically they have no chance of a semi-professional/professional career. They play because they enjoy it but a 30 week grind can be a negative rather than a positive. Often in the past with FTC the 4th Term period looked like a park kick around with neither the players or coaches engaged. (Only experienced age groups below the National Age Group Tournament) level.

I don't think there are 14 players x 8 Teams = 112 players whose parents are going pay the cost set at this level.

Not sure what relevance having a Senior Level 2 qualified coach has to youth development. Seems many of these clubs are rushing these through and are setting themselves up to fail.

I'm sure there's a whole bunch of people outside of Christchurch who, along with our racist menu restaurants, are thinking "what the f**k is going on down there?"

Can any of you spread any light onto anything similar happening in your neck of the woods, where your governing body has passed back FTC to clubs, or a volunteer/sub buy-back scheme?

This from SUFC email today.

New Zealand's

ONLY

C, CY and Quality Club Mark II

Licensed Club

Is pleased to advise Winter Subscriptions remain unchanged for the 2018 winter season.


Registration details will be posted within the next few weeks.


To view our 2018 Club Membership & Subscription Policy, please click here.

The SUFC Board

Go Selwyn, Waimak FB page taking a real hammering, over 70 comments on their post (Tuesday about 10am) about how popular the volunteering scheme has been.

I'd say Nomads might need to Plan for a mass influx!

I'd say Selwyn should be planning for a mass influx of players!

There will be initial resistance, and much wailing and gnashing of teeth, then next year it will be normal, and people will just accept it. After all, if you don’t give your kid every possible opportunity (especially the expensive ones) and they miss out on the big dream, the people who sell you these ideas will have you believe you are a terrible parent. 

Preying on people’s dreams. For profit. 

The irritating thing is, that even if a coach was as qualified as all these ones are required to be, and offered to do the same thing, but for free, uptake would probably still be poor, such is the conviction of people’s belief that price somehow has indicates value

Are you sure Waimak aren't laughing here??

It seems they might be culling the dead wood or am I missing something?

Seems everyone moaning on their Facebook doesn't want to do anything.

So Nomads/Selwyn is going to inherit a bunch of layabouts

I have a First Kicks player - so that would be $165 which for 15 sessions - $11/session.

Might mention at Three Kings we paid $170!!

My kids swimming lessons are $12.80/lesson at Jellie Park!

But Waimak are saying I could do a couple of raffles and sell some bacon or coach and my sub is free??

Maybe I'm living on the wrong side of the bridge.

If you compare the football costings to basketball I think football is better value at all ages and levels. 

Canterbury Basketball and Rams camps for 3 terms [24 weeks] coaching and 3x school holiday camps giving a total of about 60hours of Coaching. The amount you need to front up for these would be $600 as at 2017 prices.

maybe your living under the bridge?

No wait, that's me, I'm the troll :)

Actually if you think you're gonna get a free sub for selling some bacon someone's told you porkies. Anyway we were talking about the elite academy fees or whatever they're called these days, not the first kicks. My point is there is nothing elite about footy in ChCh regardless what bridge you live under.

People talking about clubs culling dead wood is a shocking attitude to take about a sport they are licensed to represent, it's pretty apalling of a club official to come on here in support of that idea.

The current discussion highlights exactly why the sport will go backwards under this model, it seems to be all about some clubs and their overblown egos, not the game.

Sorry if you think im a club official. Definitely not. Happy to sell some raffles but not management material!
Im just surprised at the negativity toward getting something for you efforts. 
Maybe my choice of words was harsh but every club I have been involved in wants people to help dont they?