Yes from what I hear Louis has the goods and great potential.
Also about time Tawa AFC started recognising the young talent coming through the junior ranks and "actually" doing something to keep them at the club - the Tawa Club has a great junior programme and a number of talented kids who go onto Tawa College (they hold there own and have been compeitive for a number of years in the college premier league) but then find it hard to keep them at the club after they leave college - so to get them introduced early to a higher standard means the kids remain motivated and feel a sense of loyalty to the club.chareimos2008-01-23 08:56:53
Also about time Tawa AFC started recognising the young talent coming through the junior ranks and "actually" doing something to keep them at the club - the Tawa Club has a great junior programme and a number of talented kids who go onto Tawa College (they hold there own and have been compeitive for a number of years in the college premier league) but then find it hard to keep them at the club after they leave college - so to get them introduced early to a higher standard means the kids remain motivated and feel a sense of loyalty to the club.chareimos2008-01-23 08:56:53
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Yes from what I hear Louis has the goods. Also about time Tawa AFC
started recognising the talent coming through the junior ranks and
"actually" doing something to keep them at the club - the Tawa Club
has a great junior programme and a number of talented kids who go
onto Tawa College (they hold there own) but then find it hard to
either keep them at the club after they leave college or they fall
by the wayside.
that seems to be the main issue
here's an off the wall response
What if clubs 'handed players over' to schools. For instance they gave the school a list of all players who the school were about to 'loan' for 4-5 seasons, the school would then be obliged to advise the club when a player left the school - and, with the player's permission, provide a contact address. The club could have a designated school leavers team (with a better name than that) so the returning players could fit back into the club before spreading through the other teams in future years.
I'm sure the idea has its flaws but clubs could tweak it - the main point being that a sense of connection is kept with the club (clubs could add to this e.g. by inviting players back to give prizes out at the end of season youth grade functions). It also has the practical function of reminding clubs when there players become available again.
The basic idea would have to be negotiated between club and schools - but might reward the effort by keeping young players in the game (and, at the club).
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Or they could just play for their clubs like they have been since
they were 6 yrs old and the schools could focus on teaching them to
read and write. If they want to put a school team together to play
another school they can do that in school time.
A dog with a bone :)
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i play for tawa afc and i think thats a bs call your making there
chareimos.
you only have to come down to pre season training for the last
to week to see the amount of tawa college players playing and
training with the club including louis. unlike most club tawa
college soccer club is affiliated with tawa afc so for under 19s if
your over the age of 15 you get an automatic trial with the tawa
club no matter what team you play for at the college.
most players decide to play for the college but if you are
exceptionally good in this case louis he trains with the club but
as yet isn't at the quality or strength of playing 1st team hence
hes better of playing 1st xl than sitting on the bench every
saturday for club.
secoundly tawa afc is one of the best clubs at picking up
players once they leave cllege.
prime examples being
jason bellman and rick stevenson both play first team straight
out of college.
shugg boys and simon angus got picked up from wellington
college.
tawa afc has a great young mix and college players are invited
to train with the 1st and 2nd team as much as they like and they do
so before writing a fiction novel post find your facts out
first.
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Or they could just play for their clubs like they have been since
they were 6 yrs old and the schools could focus on teaching them to
read and write. If they want to put a school team together to play
another school they can do that in school time.
I agree here. Why do we need this duplication of
effort?
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
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Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
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shugg boys and simon angus got picked up from wellington
college.
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remind me plowright how many apperances for wellington college top team??
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Not making a slight on your ability Simon, just the fact you
mentioned yourself in 3rd person.
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wat im not simon?
tigers2008-01-23 14:13:27
if i had if mentioned myself i would have said "karl romijn"
aswell?
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i tend to agree with nightz on this one.
why do students go to school? to learn to read and write - history, math, biology, english etc etc
let the schools teach the academics and let the clubs teach the football.
not trying to pick holes in peoples arguments but wasn't ricky stevenson a wests junior......and didnt u spend some time at wests as well bobdylan?
why do students go to school? to learn to read and write - history, math, biology, english etc etc
let the schools teach the academics and let the clubs teach the football.
not trying to pick holes in peoples arguments but wasn't ricky stevenson a wests junior......and didnt u spend some time at wests as well bobdylan?
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i tend to agree with nightz on this one.
why do students go to school? to learn to read and write - history, math, biology, english etc etc
let the schools teach the academics and let the clubs teach the football.
not trying to pick holes in peoples arguments but wasn't ricky stevenson a wests junior......and didnt u spend some time at wests as well bobdylan?
why do students go to school? to learn to read and write - history, math, biology, english etc etc
let the schools teach the academics and let the clubs teach the football.
not trying to pick holes in peoples arguments but wasn't ricky stevenson a wests junior......and didnt u spend some time at wests as well bobdylan?
stay in the clubs other wise clubs lose players when they go
to college and get picked up by other clubs, just makes the good
teams better and the worse teams worse which aint good for the
comp. a good player in a not so good school team would not go to
his local club but go to a better club and play a worse grade for 2
years realise they might not be as good as they once thought then
come back to there local club, if clubs had players teh hole time i
think there overall devlopment of players would be better maby NZ
football standard would incrase overtime?
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yeah im sure those players were at wests??? I might be wrong though
I dont know much about the area
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i play for tawa afc and i think thats a bs call your making there
chareimos.
you only have to come down to pre season training for the last
to week to see the amount of tawa college players playing and
training with the club including louis. unlike most club tawa
college soccer club is affiliated with tawa afc so for under 19s if
your over the age of 15 you get an automatic trial with the tawa
club no matter what team you play for at the college.
most players decide to play for the college but if you are
exceptionally good in this case louis he trains with the club but
as yet isn't at the quality or strength of playing 1st team hence
hes better of playing 1st xl than sitting on the bench every
saturday for club.
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secoundly tawa afc is one of the best clubs at picking up
players once they leave cllege.
prime examples being
jason bellman and rick stevenson both play first team straight
out of college.
shugg boys and simon angus got picked up from wellington
college.
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tawa afc has a great young mix and college players are invited
to train with the 1st and 2nd team as much as they like and they do
so before writing a fiction novel post find your facts out
first.
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Mr Dylan�.my comment was about the club being a bit more �proactive� in motivating the kids when at Tawa college and that they feel a sense of �belonging� to the Club.
Before the likes of Bellman (one of the most talented players to come out of the college) and Stevenson (who was actually at Wests during his college years), Shugg boys became involved with the 1st team, Tawa AFC was more inclined to look after their senior players which I guess was about retaining the status - Premier League.
If this has changed and kids are identified earlier on by the club and have something to strive for (e.g. training with the 1st and 2nds etc) then well done to the club and we should see more of the talent stay within.
If you are wanting to talk FACT, then I know a specific example of a kid (who had potential) and played all his junior footy for the Tawa Club and was at Tawa College - he too would have stayed with the club, if they had only asked and had something for him to inspire to (even U19s).........but they didn�t ask and another club did ..........he ended up at Wests.
Yes look after today, but make sure they look after the young talent coming through and hopefully they will stay�..have nothing to inspire to and they will go elsewhere (or worse yet, they get asked by another club).
chareimos2008-01-23 12:58:08
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yeah im sure those players were at wests??? I might be wrong though
I dont know much about the area
all those players have played for wests except for
bellman.
exactly the point tawa was good at picking up players from
schools and supporting the schools.
wests = piss poor.
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I think I'm going to be in a bit of a minority, but I personally
quite liked the school system.
When I played Junior soccer I was at a club which only catered to juniors... mainly due to the fact that it was the closest club to where I lived so my parents had to drive less.
I then joined the college team when I started attending and, rather than having to get to know another group of people at a new soccer club (quite intimidating at that age) it was a good way of getting to know some people at college who you had to see at college anyway.
Also, it seems that colleges have been charged with saving the country from the general trend of people getting fat as well and one of the methods to enforce this is to make sure that all students play some sport, at least in their first few years there.... some kids could easily claim they were playing for a club, even if they weren't, and therefore didn't need to play a sport at school. Yes this could possibly be helped by some good communication, but that is something that seems to be lacking in many administrations in general.
I can agree that this may not be the best thing for all elite players, those who are looking to try and make the best club teams, and possibly something does need to be done for those players, but I do not think that this means that the school sports system should be scrapped altogether.
Just my thoughts anyway
When I played Junior soccer I was at a club which only catered to juniors... mainly due to the fact that it was the closest club to where I lived so my parents had to drive less.
I then joined the college team when I started attending and, rather than having to get to know another group of people at a new soccer club (quite intimidating at that age) it was a good way of getting to know some people at college who you had to see at college anyway.
Also, it seems that colleges have been charged with saving the country from the general trend of people getting fat as well and one of the methods to enforce this is to make sure that all students play some sport, at least in their first few years there.... some kids could easily claim they were playing for a club, even if they weren't, and therefore didn't need to play a sport at school. Yes this could possibly be helped by some good communication, but that is something that seems to be lacking in many administrations in general.
I can agree that this may not be the best thing for all elite players, those who are looking to try and make the best club teams, and possibly something does need to be done for those players, but I do not think that this means that the school sports system should be scrapped altogether.
Just my thoughts anyway
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my experience with football in school is far better than that
of any club has produced.
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thats because your dad took the school team 
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a one jaques valcutreen took the team actually a uefa licensed
coach.
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a one jaques valcutreen took the team actually a uefa licensed
coach.
And how many schools in the Wgtn area have one of those?
From the kids I know of the ones at Tawa College do get will
looked after by the Tawa club. They however are the exception
rathter than the rule maybe because theres 1 college and 1 club in
TAwa. This is not the case in Wgtn and the Hutt Valley so therefore
dosent happen .
A dog with a bone :)
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wat im not simon?
if i had if mentioned myself i would have said "karl romijn"
aswell?
My apologies. I have no idea who you are then. Flattered that you know me though. I think.
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a one jaques valcutreen took the team actually a uefa licensed
coach.
And how many schools in the Wgtn area have one of those?
From the kids I know of the ones at Tawa College do get will
looked after by the Tawa club. They however are the exception
rathter than the rule maybe because theres 1 college and 1 club in
TAwa. This is not the case in Wgtn and the Hutt Valley so therefore
dosent happen .
well make it a rule and get the clubs down there instead of
the bikkering about how colleges steal there players... if a club
is in the school zone get involved a all clubs seem to do it
politicise over why kids played football for there schools instead
of going to the schools and getting involved in teams. schools
would only be too happy to get them involved. take hibs and wests
for example their doing it and wests aint anywhere near the hutt
valley. its time for you club junkies to accept that college is a
part of life and this debate will probably go on for another 20
years like it has done for the last 20 so how about clubs do what
tawa and wests do and get involved instead of crying a river that
colleges steal all your talent from the junior grades.
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He makes a reasonable point.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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I think the Wellington College 1st XI had an affiliation with
Mirimar Rangers when they used to play in the Capital senior
leagues before playing in Youth Premier if I'm not mistaken. They
played under Mirimar's banner.DKP222008-01-23 16:53:15
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Yeah but that was so there 1st X1 could play at a Higher level than College Youth Premier Grade... There 2nd XI would play in that But Still that meant the players from wellington college who were in 1st XI and played on saturdays were all registered to Mirimar. I dont know if it still happens today
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I think the Wellington College 1st XI had an affiliation with
Mirimar Rangers when they used to play in the Capital senior
leagues before playing in Youth Premier if I'm not mistaken. They
played under Mirimar's banner.
yeah the Wharfies third team beat them.
ps its mirAmar
Founder
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wests are only involved with hibs bacause dave wilsons sons used to go there.
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He makes a reasonable point.
Unreasonable.
Stokes Valley, Naenae, Wainui, Petone for example dont have
full time paid coaches on staff like some other clubs do. Some
schools ie: St Pats, St Bernards, Chilton, Scared Heart, St
Orans draw kids from a large area and dont as such have a
local club. There are schools that some clubs would like to
associate with more than others, like Lower Hutt help out St Pats
(even though its in U/hutt). Who supplies coaches to Taita, Naenae,
St Bernards. On the other other hand I'm sure Stop Out/Lower Hutt/
Petone would all like to get exclusive rights to Hutt Valley
High.
A dog with a bone :)
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well make it a rule and get the clubs down there instead of
the bikkering about how colleges steal there players...
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Why should the clubs be forced to resource the schools. If the colleges think that they can look after all football college kids, not just the elite, let them try, and let players and parents decide freely whether they want club or college.
[QUOTE=bobdylan]
if a club is in the school zone get involved a all clubs seem to do it politicise over why kids played football for there schools instead of going to the schools and getting involved in teams. schools would only be too happy to get them involved. take hibs and wests for example their doing it and wests aint anywhere near the hutt valley. its time for you club junkies to accept that college is a part of life and this debate will probably go on for another 20 years like it has done for the last 20 so how about clubs do what tawa and wests do and get involved instead of crying a river that colleges steal all your talent from the junior grades.
Why should the clubs be forced to resource the schools. If the colleges think that they can look after all football college kids, not just the elite, let them try, and let players and parents decide freely whether they want club or college.
[QUOTE=bobdylan]
if a club is in the school zone get involved a all clubs seem to do it politicise over why kids played football for there schools instead of going to the schools and getting involved in teams. schools would only be too happy to get them involved. take hibs and wests for example their doing it and wests aint anywhere near the hutt valley. its time for you club junkies to accept that college is a part of life and this debate will probably go on for another 20 years like it has done for the last 20 so how about clubs do what tawa and wests do and get involved instead of crying a river that colleges steal all your talent from the junior grades.
Why change what happens now in reality. Some colleges have a bitch and want to force people to play, the players make that choice (although it's not an easy one sometimes because of the pressure), and clubs have to live with it, but still pick up the 50 odd teams that don't have a place at the colleges.
How would you like it if Capital Football turned round and said "bobdylan, you have to leave your Tawa, and go and play for Wests because CF have created an artificial territorial boundary and you live on the wrong side." Would your reply be...
a) Don't think twice, it's alright
b (Capital Football You are) Blowin' in the Wind
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mike woudl have left hibs almost 10 years ago and matt would have
left mmmmm around 6 years ago so the fact wests are still involved
out at hibs is outstanding - a lot of talent (the wilson boys,
keatsy, fraser c) has come out of that school in the last
couple of years so they must be doing something right
wests are only involved with hibs bacause dave wilsons sons used to go there.
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He makes a reasonable point.
Unreasonable.
Stokes Valley, Naenae, Wainui, Petone for example dont have
full time paid coaches on staff like some other clubs do. Some
schools ie: St Pats, St Bernards, Chilton, Scared Heart, St
Orans draw kids from a large area and dont as such have a
local club. There are schools that some clubs would like to
associate with more than others, like Lower Hutt help out St Pats
(even though its in U/hutt). Who supplies coaches to Taita, Naenae,
St Bernards. On the other other hand I'm sure Stop Out/Lower Hutt/
Petone would all like to get exclusive rights to Hutt Valley
High.
Mate don't know what you've been smoking lately. look at these
schools none of them actually care if you go play for a club infact
all of them would be quite happy to. hutt valley high school almost
on the same track don't force/pressure you to play for the school
but most of them want to. and st pats silverstream would be the
only school in the hutt with rule that you have to play for school
and hence lower hutt is involved.
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mike woudl have left hibs almost 10 years ago and matt would have
left mmmmm around 6 years ago so the fact wests are still involved
out at hibs is outstanding - a lot of talent (the wilson boys,
keatsy, fraser c) has come out of that school in the last
couple of years so they must be doing something right
wests are only involved with hibs bacause dave wilsons sons used to go there.
think you'l find jon harahap wanted to get involved in hibs
(coach and develop) and it had nothing to do with dave wilson.
and to that extend jon done a good job.
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Mate don't know what you've been smoking lately. look at these
schools none of them actually care if you go play for a club infact
all of them would be quite happy to. hutt valley high school almost
on the same track don't force/pressure you to play for the school
but most of them want to. and st pats silverstream would be the
only school in the hutt with rule that you have to play for school
and hence lower hutt is involved.
Congratulations! You have now come around to see what is the biggest problem with the proposal from Capital Football.
Proposal Summary: All 15th Grade and above players should preferably play for their college in the College league. Some players may play for club teams in that league. There will be no Saturday morning Capital Football league for 15th Grade and up.
However, over half the colleges are not structured to support football how we devotees believe it should be, and are quite happy with the current structure. But if the proposal goes through, reduced numbers remaining with clubs (I believe) will make club teams not viable (in terms of sustainability not performance). The kids who are not elite players will be slipping through the gaps even quicker than they currently leave the game.
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from memory there was only a 16th grade and that was it??
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16th/17th GRADE JPL:
P W D L GF GA Pt
Porirua Leste/Viard 8 7 0 1 54 16 21
Lower Hutt City 8 5 2 1 40 25 17
SO FreeHeat 8 3 3 2 25 29 12
Petone 8 2 0 6 17 36 6
Wgtn High School 8 0 1 7 13 43 1 heres 16th/17th table from last year.wgtn high and viard can play in college grades petone and lower hutt can move to senior mens say cap 5 or 6 but keep it purly college players in the team and who knows wat that other team is.bobdylan2008-01-24 08:55:38
P W D L GF GA Pt
Porirua Leste/Viard 8 7 0 1 54 16 21
Lower Hutt City 8 5 2 1 40 25 17
SO FreeHeat 8 3 3 2 25 29 12
Petone 8 2 0 6 17 36 6
Wgtn High School 8 0 1 7 13 43 1 heres 16th/17th table from last year.wgtn high and viard can play in college grades petone and lower hutt can move to senior mens say cap 5 or 6 but keep it purly college players in the team and who knows wat that other team is.bobdylan2008-01-24 08:55:38
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from memory there was only a 16th grade and that was it??
I have the report from Keith Palmer here somewhere but can't lay my hands on it immediately.
From memory, we are talking around 51 teams at Wellington, Mana and Hutt Valley & JPL/Promo regional teams for grades 15 and 16/17 in the 2007 season. The colleges have roughly that number of boys teams playing in their Saturday morning teams.
A combined league is sensible. Just give people the right to choose who they want to play for.
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16th/17th GRADE JPL:
P W D L GF GA Pt
Porirua Leste/Viard 8 7 0 1 54 16 21
Lower Hutt City 8 5 2 1 40 25 17
SO FreeHeat 8 3 3 2 25 29 12
Petone 8 2 0 6 17 36 6
Wgtn High School 8 0 1 7 13 43 1 heres 16th/17th table from last year.wgtn high and viard can play in college grades petone and lower hutt can move to senior mens say cap 5 or 6 but keep it purly college players in the team and who knows wat that other team is.
P W D L GF GA Pt
Porirua Leste/Viard 8 7 0 1 54 16 21
Lower Hutt City 8 5 2 1 40 25 17
SO FreeHeat 8 3 3 2 25 29 12
Petone 8 2 0 6 17 36 6
Wgtn High School 8 0 1 7 13 43 1 heres 16th/17th table from last year.wgtn high and viard can play in college grades petone and lower hutt can move to senior mens say cap 5 or 6 but keep it purly college players in the team and who knows wat that other team is.
That's Stop Out. But you are just looking at JPL. What about all the other teams?
Just out of curiosity, if the College league is so good, why are Viard, & Wgtn High choosing to play in the Capital Football league?
To repeat my feelings: A combined league is sensible. Just give people the right to choose who they want to play for.
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my understanding is viard team not just viard have 3 or 4 players from mana. and wgtn high is just another team cause they have 3 or 4 in the college grade but the wanted to play a younger team here so they could play 9am instead of 2pm for sh*t college grade start time.
i agree with your feelings EXCEPT. if clubs r gonna have teams
in the combined league they shouldn't be able to have a west regime
where they go pick the best players from each school from all over
the region just to win the competition. so if your at a decent
footballing school and the resources are there play for them. if
not bring in the clubs.
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He makes a reasonable point.
Unreasonable.
Stokes Valley, Naenae, Wainui, Petone for example dont have
full time paid coaches on staff like some other clubs do. Some
schools ie: St Pats, St Bernards, Chilton, Scared Heart, St
Orans draw kids from a large area and dont as such have a
local club. There are schools that some clubs would like to
associate with more than others, like Lower Hutt help out St Pats
(even though its in U/hutt). Who supplies coaches to Taita, Naenae,
St Bernards. On the other other hand I'm sure Stop Out/Lower Hutt/
Petone would all like to get exclusive rights to Hutt Valley
High.
Mate don't know what you've been smoking lately. look at these
schools none of them actually care if you go play for a club infact
all of them would be quite happy to. hutt valley high school almost
on the same track don't force/pressure you to play for the school
but most of them want to. and st pats silverstream would be the
only school in the hutt with rule that you have to play for school
and hence lower hutt is involved.
You really do have trouble following a thread dont you.
A dog with a bone :)
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Just out of curiosity, if the College league is so good, why are Viard, & Wgtn High choosing to play in the Capital Football league?
Perhaps out of fear of getting hammered in the College
league?
You make a good point about all the other teams below
JPL. Perhaps CF should have started off this revolution with
just the JPL and had a look at the effect.
Schools are unlikely to be able to cope with a 50 team influx
especially when the bulk of those players will be playing for
"non-football" schools.
I still agree with bobdylan's post about though. Why sit
about bitching about who the player "belongs to"? Why not
just get in and support the Colleges while maintaining a link with
players that go there? I can't see that it's so
difficult.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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