Should Reserve Teams be allowed in Capital Premier

hahaha you did and your not even going for promotionyourmomma2008-08-27 16:47:10

hes a keeper. . . maybe their usual keeper couldnt play for whatever reason

2B also played for the 1sts that day.

The problem of dropping players down to help lower grade teams is not unique to football. Other codes have the same problem.  The key is to manage the eligility criteria and stop clubs being able to put players down without good reason.

Hey Feverish. Aren't you yourself a 1st team player who played (and scored) for your second team on Saturday?

real reason was injuries and illness in 2nd and 1st team squads- rumour has it two 8th div players even steep up. Wgtn Utd is a club. not a series of individuals or one team dominating the resources- can't argue about its depth but can argue about its heart and soul.

proud to be diamonds, me

Feverish2008-08-27 19:27:35

For napier, they picked up the 3 points. For olympic, 2nds secured a playoff spot. In either clubs shoes id be happy.
And i belive the clubs reasons for having a below par squad out are justifiyable.

Look at it this way. With our second team being promoted it will attract more players to come to the club, play for our first team, and if they dont make the cut one week, can happily be dropped to 2nds in Champs Premier.

Its not like we did it all year, just the last couple of games.

but U.S. , this is exactly the point. of course stacking is in the interests of the clubs that "stack".

I cant help you there ML, stuck on words.

Teams who dont have the artillery shouldnt half to suffer, but...thats just life.

The bigger animals, eat the smaller animals. The strong survive and the weak perish. Thats the way the cookie crumbles.

and uncle steve, stacking for promotion while your first team gets done is exactly the same issue, you're just saying thats fine because it fits your club!

Its totally a differnt issue.

Stacking your team to get promoted, attracts players and allows your prestige as a whole club to grow if you achieve this promotion.

Opposed to stacking your team during the season, just for the hell of it.

But what ever way you look at it, there is the subject of fairness, and rules do need to be put in place, BUT to a reasonable extent. uncle steve2008-08-27 21:13:04

Feverish2008-08-28 09:10:39

Personally, I do have a problem with the actions some (and not all) of the CL clubs have done to retain Premier spots for 2009. But that is because it has become acceptable to look after one's own role in a club first, irrespective of how one's actions affect the wider footy community. Those so called 'second tier' clubs will remain second tier clubs as long as the 'rules' prevent them from becoming any more than second tier. So the game and the quality of football becomes limited to those clubs that legitimately (but not morally) use the rules in their favour.If the 'stacking' of teams is to be minimised then CS need to change the rules, and the ALL the clubs need to take the appropriate action to change the rules ie propose a remit to CS and turn up and vote if they are really concerned, whether it be in favour or against.

I do not have a problem with Reserve teams being allowed to play in Premier grade. But the stacking issue needs attention due to the abuse that has gone on for several years. The solution could be as follows:

1. Clubs can regrade a maximum of 3 players down on any one playing 'day'...not 3 players down to any one grade. This will stop a club from downgrading a whole team throughout several lower grades.
2. The club must advise CS of the names of the 3 players and the grade to which they are being regraded by signed 'fax' or confirmed email by 11.30am on the day of the scheduled round.
3. NO player who has been regraded down can play for any other team on the same day ie a player cannot be regraded to Capital 12 for 12.30 game and then be regraded upward on the same day for a 2.30 pm match.
4. If a team's match is postponed/cancelled due to ground conditions then no other players, apart from any player officially regraded by 11.30 can take part in any other match.
5. A round must constitute Saturday and Sunday or any other day of the week that constitutes that round. This will stop clubs from stacking teams when a match is played after Saturday due to postponement.
6. 'Teams' that have completed the season cannot downgrade players. Presently, players can be downgraded if their team has completed the season but there are other teams in the grade still playing.
I think you will get the gist of the rules that could be changed to ammended to stop the abuse.

My presumption, and I could be wrong, is that the 3 player rule intention was to give the 3 substitutes a game. But club lawyers and astute club people have taken advantage of the many cracks in the rules.

Food for thought! I look forward to the discussion this promotes!

Luvit!

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 those rules you outline seem very complicated, its no wonder clubs don't bother

Thanks for the !

Yes, you are right, I have suggested a complicated set of rules. I suppose that few clubs would go with it. But I doubt if many more clubs would go with 'no reserve teams in premier' either. Either way, some solution needs to be enacted by the clubs through CS to close the loopholes in the rules.  I am certain the 3 regrade rulle had different intentions originally ie allow 3 substitutes the opportunity of getting a game of footy each week.