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St Pats Stream .vs. Wellington College

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
O Thani is the other Stop Out lad in the Feds that has been turning out for their 1st team.

A dog with a bone :)

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I personally would be keen to play Club footy as well but just don't have the time with school etc.
Is it that effective in developing your game?
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Of course it is, it's the next level and where you'd be going next anyway.
Oh Wellington is wonderful. We got the wind, the rain and the phoenix. Oh Wellington is wonderful.
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
reefside wrote:
your right once again that St pats silverstream and Wellington Coll (being number one)  are the two stand outs for college football in wellington by a country mile...


Big call saying stream are included in the two stand outs for college football in wellington by a country mile. Over the last 7 years Tawa has been on average a superior team. Wellington College is consistently the best college in Wellington though, thats for sure.

Tawa won the college titles in 2002 and 2003 (well coll didn't play their 1st XI in the grade though), came 2nd in 2004 (to wgtn coll 1stXI), in 2005 came 3rd at nationals (beating well coll in 3rd/4th playoff). This year Tawa is the only team in wellington to have won all their games including beating stream 4-1 today though when the two grading pools are grouped together from next week it will be interesting to see what the results are. Gotta love the headline in the dompost after 2 games of college footy saying well coll are a step above the rest. They  were close  to not even making the top 6 which would have been a complete disaster.

Not to mention that Tawa College also has a quality coach. The Tawa Mens 1st team currently has 9 players who have come through the 1st XI of Tawa College in the past 7 years. Goes against angus (bobboltontawa2) stats of only around 2% of college players going through to sit on the bench in central league or cap premier
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Most of Tawa Coll's recent success is down to the stirling work of the Romijn family.  I think Steve and Karl are still involved?

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
and its a bigger call saying tawa came 2nd in 2004 organje?im sure,no wait im positive that saint pats town beat onslow in the final that year,and came 3rd the year after that then lost the final to coll in 2006.And in 03 they were decent also.so I think we are goin round in circles a bit here though.definatley wgtn col have been the dominant school but you probly would expect that with a college double in students felipe2008-06-08 14:42:39
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

When is the stream vs st.pats town traditional?

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
for memory...near the start of the 3rd term so maybe late july or early august?
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yeah must have got my dates wrong. Must have been 2005 when tawa lost to wgtn coll in the final, and in 2004 they came 3rd.

Steve and Karl coached the team last year, this year Maarten is back coaching it along with the help of Karl.


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Oranje wrote:
reefside wrote:
your right once again that St pats silverstream and Wellington Coll (being number one)  are the two stand outs for college football in wellington by a country mile...


Not to mention that Tawa College also has a quality coach. The Tawa Mens 1st team currently has 9 players who have come through the 1st XI of Tawa College in the past 7 years. Goes against angus (bobboltontawa2) stats of only around 2% of college players going through to sit on the bench in central league or cap premier
 
if you had read the posts clearly mr romijn, you wouldv'e seen that those stats were to do with wellington college over the last year 5 or so years, so no dosn't really go against my stats cause people have to attend college at some point in their life don't they.
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Oranje wrote:
reefside wrote:
your right once again that St pats silverstream and Wellington Coll (being number one)  are the two stand outs for college football in wellington by a country mile...


Big call saying stream are included in the two stand outs for college football in wellington by a country mile. Over the last 7 years Tawa has been on average a superior team. Wellington College is consistently the best college in Wellington though, thats for sure.

Tawa won the college titles in 2002 and 2003 (well coll didn't play their 1st XI in the grade though), came 2nd in 2004 (to wgtn coll 1stXI), in 2005 came 3rd at nationals (beating well coll in 3rd/4th playoff). This year Tawa is the only team in wellington to have won all their games including beating stream 4-1 today though when the two grading pools are grouped together from next week it will be interesting to see what the results are. Gotta love the headline in the dompost after 2 games of college footy saying well coll are a step above the rest. They  were close  to not even making the top 6 which would have been a complete disaster.

Not to mention that Tawa College also has a quality coach. The Tawa Mens 1st team currently has 9 players who have come through the 1st XI of Tawa College in the past 7 years. Goes against angus (bobboltontawa2) stats of only around 2% of college players going through to sit on the bench in central league or cap premier
 
Sorry oranje but I stand by what i say about Coll and stream being top...
Ok thats good theres 9 players in the tawas 1st team who have come from tawa college and i think its great for tawa football club that the college and the club can work together to bring through players but dont get me started on the ammount of quality players that have come out of wellington coll and st pats silverstream, I could give you very long list much more superior to what tawa has produced and a number of them developed there skills and really started to shine while they were playing for there colleges
I wasnt talking about results i was meaning about more the coaching side of things and what the college has to offer players who are at the school. eg coaching and development...
As for Coll barley making the top 6, well you might have answered that one yourself.. Maybe once again its not really there 1st XI as alot of there top players could be playing club but i cant back that up as i dont know?
 
 
 
reefside2008-06-08 15:23:43
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bobboltontawa2 wrote:
i do some quick maths and say.
 
98% of college players end up in cap 1 or drinking in dunedin
1.8% - end up on the bench for a central league or cap prem team
.2% - go on to anything slightly higher.


Come on Angus, while "college" is often used to describe wellington college your post hardly made it clear. And if you look at wellington college 1st XI teams over the years a lot more than 1.8% would have gone onto central league or cap prem. Unless you are counting wellington college 8th XI in those stats, and to be fair who really cares about a 8th XI in the scheme of things.
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bobboltontawa2 wrote:
Oranje wrote:
reefside wrote:
your right once again that St pats silverstream and Wellington Coll (being number one)  are the two stand outs for college football in wellington by a country mile...


Not to mention that Tawa College also has a quality coach. The Tawa Mens 1st team currently has 9 players who have come through the 1st XI of Tawa College in the past 7 years. Goes against angus (bobboltontawa2) stats of only around 2% of college players going through to sit on the bench in central league or cap premier
 
if you had read the posts clearly mr romijn, you wouldv'e seen that those stats were to do with wellington college over the last year 5 or so years, so no dosn't really go against my stats cause people have to attend college at some point in their life don't they.
 
Good to see that you keep  being so negative towards everyone on here
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
SJay wrote:
I personally would be keen to play Club footy as well but just don't have the time with school etc.
Is it that effective in developing your game?
 
Try play school in the morning for your 1st or 2nd XI and club in the afternoon at 2:30.. Most clubs would cut you some slack that you cant make it to training for them as your already training with the school.. You might not be in there top team but im sure a young lad like yourself would atleast make the reserve team of a club... Sooner you get involved with senior football the better
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
It's alright reefside, angus is my mate but a bit of a dropkick.

Yeah i'll give it to you that stream has produced a lot of quality players over recent years.

As far as i'm aware well coll has their top players, they have quite a young team this year. I'm surprised at their results in recent games though, as i played them pre-season in Hilton Petone and they looked like a good team. Not to mention that they went on to win it, though some 2nd teams are still getting sorted at that stage.

Yeah playing for college in the morning and club in the afternoon is certainly a good option. Definitely helps in developing your game in my opinion as while there are some good players in college footy there is also some pretty rubbish ones at the same time, especially when playing against the weaker colleges
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Oranje wrote:
bobboltontawa2 wrote:
i do some quick maths and say.
 
98% of college players end up in cap 1 or drinking in dunedin
1.8% - end up on the bench for a central league or cap prem team
.2% - go on to anything slightly higher.


Come on Angus, while "college" is often used to describe wellington college your post hardly made it clear. And if you look at wellington college 1st XI teams over the years a lot more than 1.8% would have gone onto central league or cap prem. Unless you are counting wellington college 8th XI in those stats, and to be fair who really cares about a 8th XI in the scheme of things.
 
ffs.
 
i was refering to wellington college 1st x1 players over the last 5 years and  a personal opinion of all the guys ive played with and seen playing and where most of them end up.
 
hope this clears any confusion for you.
 
it wasn't meant to be a topic starter for "well tawa college is better blah blah blah" 
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
bobboltontawa2 wrote:
Oranje wrote:
bobboltontawa2 wrote:
i do some quick maths and say.
 
98% of college players end up in cap 1 or drinking in dunedin
1.8% - end up on the bench for a central league or cap prem team
.2% - go on to anything slightly higher.


Come on Angus, while "college" is often used to describe wellington college your post hardly made it clear. And if you look at wellington college 1st XI teams over the years a lot more than 1.8% would have gone onto central league or cap prem. Unless you are counting wellington college 8th XI in those stats, and to be fair who really cares about a 8th XI in the scheme of things.
 
ffs.
 
i was refering to wellington college 1st x1 players over the last 5 years and  a personal opinion of all the guys ive played with and seen playing and where most of them end up.
 
hope this clears any confusion for you.
 
it wasn't meant to be a topic starter for "well tawa college is better blah blah blah" 
 
So the precise statistic of 1.8% refers to players in Wellington College 1st XI that will play prem or central league? Did that figure just magically pop into your head? Thats less than 1 in 50, which, given a squad size of 16/17 would be one player every 3 years. I can think of 2 players in the same year - 2004 - that are playing for the SAME Premier team - Waterside Karori.
 
And 0.2% that "go on to anything higher" is 1 in 500. Given a generous squad size of 20 players per year, based on your scientific statistic, only one player in the last 25 years made it to anything higher! Ignoring national league and going even higher, both Leo Bertos and Tim Brown play for a little team you might have heard of called the Phoenix, Simon Elliot for Fulham.
 
Don't make sweeping generalisations on which to justify debates when you're clearly just making them up - you said yourself this was your personal opinion, so why present them as fact?
 
 
Oh Wellington is wonderful. We got the wind, the rain and the phoenix. Oh Wellington is wonderful.
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

points noted.

did i ever say it as a fact... they were just made up statistics trying to show what really happens to players from wellington college after they leave. and sure enough probably closer to 90 per cent end up in cap1 below or giving up altogther.
of course the statistics are not facts.
and by enlarge tawa college has done alot better than silverstream in the last 5 years.
 
in saying that though tawa college only has their saturday games to worry about i remember when i played for coll in term 2 or 3 sometimes we were playing up to 3 games a week with all these traditionals, in terms of development coll and stream were years ahead - results coll and tawa always peformed.
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Not making excuses for Coll slipping into top 6 but that was our 5th game in just over 2 weeks- Saturday-HIBS,Wednesday-Town traditional,Saturday-Pram,Wednesday-Stream traditional and then Saturday-Onslow. So no excuses but you right Angus, gets very hectic. No time for training we've found between games
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SJay wrote:
Not making excuses for Coll slipping into top 6 but that was our 5th game in just over 2 weeks- Saturday-HIBS,Wednesday-Town traditional,Saturday-Pram,Wednesday-Stream traditional and then Saturday-Onslow. So no excuses but you right Angus, gets very hectic. No time for training we've found between games
 
don't really need excuses cause your in the top 6 - season bassically starts agin now.
 
on which point -  this new system from the last 2 years how it takes half a year to qualify then your season starts again is bullocks. mean surly you can see who the bad teams are every year and its promotion/relegation from their on in. sure once every 3 years wellington high or hibs have a good team but its bullocks how you play half a season winning ie. tawa - now they have to start back on 0.
 
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I suppose it gives every team a fair chance to make top6- Pram are through this year and Onslow miss out, but both have decent teams. It's fair in the sense that everyone starts on 0 points because Tawa hasn't played anybody in PremA apart from pre season and HIBS hasn't played anyone in PremB. So to carry points through I think would be a bad idea because it wouldn't be fair as to how each team got the points, the quality of the opposition etc
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SJay wrote:
I suppose it gives every team a fair chance to make top6- Pram are through this year and Onslow miss out, but both have decent teams. It's fair in the sense that everyone starts on 0 points because Tawa hasn't played anybody in PremA apart from pre season and HIBS hasn't played anyone in PremB. So to carry points through I think would be a bad idea because it wouldn't be fair as to how each team got the points, the quality of the opposition etc
 
yea nah it wouldn't be fair to carry points through but this whole things of playing half a season then starting another season is a joke. time waster really.
 
have an 6 team comp. i could almost garentee these 4 schools would be there abouts every year
 
-coll
-siverstream
-st pats town
-tawa
 
then your other two teams who are always going to be the same teams coming last play off for end of season or start of next season with the top 2 in div 1 see who gets promoted. the old system worked better, much better.
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Could be an idea, raise it with College sport? But even with that system there would be teams that have decent sides that miss out. Sure you're going to get teams that get done each week- UHutt and Newlands this year, but you have the top 4 and atleast 3 sometimes 4 teams that could play in the top grade. This year you've got Onslow and  Rongotai who miss out but have all right teams. HIBS are becoming more consistent but they might drop off once McPeak leaves, Onslow are developing, Rongotai would be a lot better if they didnt have so many playing for clubs, Pram are stronger-only got promoted to Premier Youth this year and are in the top 6. So maybe an 8 team top group would be better?
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SJay wrote:
Could be an idea, raise it with College sport? But even with that system there would be teams that have decent sides that miss out. Sure you're going to get teams that get done each week- UHutt and Newlands this year, but you have the top 4 and atleast 3 sometimes 4 teams that could play in the top grade. This year you've got Onslow and  Rongotai who miss out but have all right teams. HIBS are becoming more consistent but they might drop off once McPeak leaves, Onslow are developing, Rongotai would be a lot better if they didnt have so many playing for clubs, Pram are stronger-only got promoted to Premier Youth this year and are in the top 6. So maybe an 8 team top group would be better?
 
sorry think it was originally premier with 8 teams originally with semi finals and final. so yea 8 team comp from start to finish would be far better.
 
do teams still play for the wooden diddo - ranfurly shield of college soccer.
that thing was the biggest joke
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Ok true, 8 team with some movement between bottom 2 and top 2 from Div 1 would be good.
 
Ahh I think so, not sure who has got it atm, probably Tawa I think. They took it off us last year but you'd have to ask someone else about that
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
anyone know why Coll stopped playing in the Reserve league?
Oh Wellington is wonderful. We got the wind, the rain and the phoenix. Oh Wellington is wonderful.
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Inconsistency
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

There were lots of reasons they stopped playing in that league.  Most of them political and not related to football.

It was a difficult system anyway.  They were nominally Miramar's Reserve team, but that didn't really work for Miramar or the school.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Smithy wrote:

There were lots of reasons they stopped playing in that league.  Most of them political and not related to football.

It was a difficult system anyway.  They were nominally Miramar's Reserve team, but that didn't really work for Miramar or the school.
 
yea your quite right... i was in the middle of that transition played for the 2nds in 5th(edit:2004) form who played as coll 1st x1 in college premier...
if wellington college 1st x1 were miramar 2nds today would they make/compete in capital premier??
 
wouldn't think so that would be on the end from some huge thrashings from kaori/island bay/tawa/fiji. so miramar have done alot better for themselves since the split 4 years ago.
bobboltontawa22008-06-09 16:33:02
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The 1st XI always finished near the bottom of the Reserve league although I don't think they ever actually finished last.
 
One of the 'reasons' for them dropping out of it was that the school (not the players mind you) didn't like being 'beaten' all the time.  It was about image.
 
Also for Miramar there was no team going back to the club rooms afterwards to put money over the bar and no reserve team for injured/returning/retiring 1st team players to play in.  Which hurt them at the top level.
 
The expected through-flow of players never eventuated either.  Players returned to their club of origin mostly (and quite rightly) or went to Wests (in one big group one year).

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The answer to all of this is to have a combined club and school U18 or U19 league played on Saturday mornings or (even better for the grounds and referees) Sundays.
 
Got to think outside this stupid box we're used to living in.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
With College Sport involved there will be no thinking "outside this stupid box".
 
Schools can play in Capital Football competitions but clubs (school kids), and even some schools, cant play in College Sport competitions.Club football operates fine from ages 6 to 14 and if the colleges kept their competitions away from Saturdays kids club football could be good through to an older age.

A dog with a bone :)

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
SJay wrote:
Ok true, 8 team with some movement between bottom 2 and top 2 from Div 1 would be good.
 
Ahh I think so, not sure who has got it atm, probably Tawa I think. They took it off us last year but you'd have to ask someone else about that
 
 
think ull find town have the ranfurley dil*o at the moment
felipe2008-06-09 17:37:54
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
There you go. when's town's next home game?
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Rongtai College 2nds!! haha got f*cking droped from first because i never train anymore becasue of constant injuries
Coll watch out ive got 3 i nike cup against you guys and 2 against your seconds i want more!!
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St Pat's firsts are playing Rongotai 2nds? when Rongotai 1sts couldn't make prem youth??? right....
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Greek-Boi wrote:
Rongtai College 2nds!! haha got f*cking droped from first because i never train anymore becasue of constant injuries
Coll watch out ive got 3 i nike cup against you guys and 2 against your seconds i want more!!
 
does that make sense, i don't get it
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Who is the idiot that said under 18 and 19 football should be played on sundays? Boy's that age get pissed too.
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In that case it might be an interesting experiment to see how many of them take football seriously (and how many of them can play with a decent size hangover).

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Hard News wrote:
In that case it might be an interesting experiment to see how many of them take football seriously (and how many of them can play with a decent size hangover).


Feverish could take up coaching.
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