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St Pats Stream .vs. Wellington College
A dog with a bone :)
What is everyone's huge problem with schoolboys football? Overall the top six teams are very evenly matched and in my limited experience it leads to a more flowing and attractive type of football to that of most mens football (albeit the top grade stuff). Plenty of people who take their football seriously play college football and why wouldn't you when you've got coaches like Charlie Howe around?
What is everyone's huge problem with schoolboys football? Overall the top six teams are very evenly matched and in my limited experience it leads to a more flowing and attractive type of football to that of most mens football (albeit the top grade stuff). Plenty of people who take their football seriously play college football and why wouldn't you when you've got coaches like Charlie Howe around?
A dog with a bone :)
I don't believe that its a waste playing school football. The opportunites offered are much greater. Playing club football on a Sat instead of school might make you good at the time but where do you go from there?
^^ how can you call it wasting your youth?????
You play football because you love it...normally, if your mates are in the same team as you at school, and it's a decent team, why would you go and play club only? By all means train with a club team to get better, but humans are social creatures. Normally we struggle by ourselves, hence there being leaders, followers and the rest.
Some argue that your youth is the most important time in your life, it shapes who you are, your decisions and judgment, sure hanging around with an older crowd can be beneficial for football, but social, I think you'd struggle to be honest
SJay makes a valid point.
There are a FEW players for whom playing at a club could lead to bigger and better things but for the rest it's about playing with your mates and enjoying it.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
A dog with a bone :)
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
A dog with a bone :)
A dog with a bone :)
A dog with a bone :)
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
Fair point about club developing you more, but I think in terms of resources invested in you, schools actually do more. More games, traditionals, national tournament, playing against representative sides, training with the Phoenix, getting an education at the same time. School football is the basis from which players develop and break into club level. Simple as that...or maybe not so
This argument can go round in circles, but to me there are 3 ingedients to becoming a good footballer. The first is talent although I've heard coaches say they can teach everything except speed and desire. The second is quality coaching. Clubs don't have a monoploy on this and sometimes the better coaches can be found at the schools, especially if they are running a development program or academy. The third is good quality regular competition and this is the one aspect I think lacking for schoolboys in Wellington. There is just not the depth available to ensure regular competition and this where the argument to play senior football has some validity. In Auckland the situation is different with virtually all schoolboys playing in the saturday school comp which I believe is much stronger. You need the stronger competition to continue learning and knock the bad habits out of your game and you are quite right SJ, there is no point if you are not enjoying it. I think if you are serious though there will come a time when you know that you are not being challenged any more playing in the schoolboy grades or are not learning anything and then it is time to step into senior football.
This argument can go round in circles, but to me there are 3 ingedients to becoming a good footballer. The first is talent although I've heard coaches say they can teach everything except speed and desire. The second is quality coaching. Clubs don't have a monoploy on this and sometimes the better coaches can be found at the schools, especially if they are running a development program or academy. The third is good quality regular competition and this is the one aspect I think lacking for schoolboys in Wellington. There is just not the depth available to ensure regular competition and this where the argument to play senior football has some validity. In Auckland the situation is different with virtually all schoolboys playing in the saturday school comp which I believe is much stronger. You need the stronger competition to continue learning and knock the bad habits out of your game and you are quite right SJ, there is no point if you are not enjoying it. I think if you are serious though there will come a time when you know that you are not being challenged any more playing in the schoolboy grades or are not learning anything and then it is time to step into senior football.
Interesting you say this, in the past two days, I've had a coach and a motivational speaker tell me that speed can be taught, maybe just different opinions. Desire sure, that has to come from within someone.
Coaches, I can only speak for me and Fomble at Wellington College why wouldn't we play school , with Charlie Howe coaching 1sts, Guy Smith coaching the academy, and the old war horse Ross Durant coaching 2nds. For me there is a lot of knowledge between the three of them and a lot that can be learned.
Sure Auckland is much stronger, look how many people live there! The top 6 of Premier Youth at the moment is quite strong, although there have been some push over games. But overall the competition is very strong compared to previously. Possibly mixing the top school teams into the mens league might benifit both sides. Better football, social side of it and development for the players. IF the whole team is strong enough then why not? Wellington College would be able to do this for atleast this and the next two years. I'm not sure after that though. Could be an option?
This argument can go round in circles, but to me there are 3 ingedients to becoming a good footballer. The first is talent although I've heard coaches say they can teach everything except speed and desire. The second is quality coaching. Clubs don't have a monoploy on this and sometimes the better coaches can be found at the schools, especially if they are running a development program or academy. The third is good quality regular competition and this is the one aspect I think lacking for schoolboys in Wellington. There is just not the depth available to ensure regular competition and this where the argument to play senior football has some validity. In Auckland the situation is different with virtually all schoolboys playing in the saturday school comp which I believe is much stronger. You need the stronger competition to continue learning and knock the bad habits out of your game and you are quite right SJ, there is no point if you are not enjoying it. I think if you are serious though there will come a time when you know that you are not being challenged any more playing in the schoolboy grades or are not learning anything and then it is time to step into senior football.
Interesting you say this, in the past two days, I've had a coach and a motivational speaker tell me that speed can be taught, maybe just different opinions. Desire sure, that has to come from within someone.
Coaches, I can only speak for me and Fomble at Wellington College why wouldn't we play school , with Charlie Howe coaching 1sts, Guy Smith coaching the academy, and the old war horse Ross Durant coaching 2nds. For me there is a lot of knowledge between the three of them and a lot that can be learned.
Sure Auckland is much stronger, look how many people live there! The top 6 of Premier Youth at the moment is quite strong, although there have been some push over games. But overall the competition is very strong compared to previously. Possibly mixing the top school teams into the mens league might benifit both sides. Better football, social side of it and development for the players. IF the whole team is strong enough then why not? Wellington College would be able to do this for atleast this and the next two years. I'm not sure after that though. Could be an option?
not proven? Hilton Petone Div 2 in his first school coaching with no team training or anything. Sure it is different but if he brings in the level of organisation and commitment that he implements with senior football then it speaks for itself. Beating Stream 3-1 and Town 5-0 on consecutive days, is that not results?
not proven? Hilton Petone Div 2 in his first school coaching with no team training or anything. Sure it is different but if he brings in the level of organisation and commitment that he implements with senior football then it speaks for itself. Beating Stream 3-1 and Town 5-0 on consecutive days, is that not results?
This argument can go round in circles, but to me there are 3 ingedients to becoming a good footballer. The first is talent although I've heard coaches say they can teach everything except speed and desire. The second is quality coaching. Clubs don't have a monoploy on this and sometimes the better coaches can be found at the schools, especially if they are running a development program or academy. The third is good quality regular competition and this is the one aspect I think lacking for schoolboys in Wellington. There is just not the depth available to ensure regular competition and this where the argument to play senior football has some validity. In Auckland the situation is different with virtually all schoolboys playing in the saturday school comp which I believe is much stronger. You need the stronger competition to continue learning and knock the bad habits out of your game and you are quite right SJ, there is no point if you are not enjoying it. I think if you are serious though there will come a time when you know that you are not being challenged any more playing in the schoolboy grades or are not learning anything and then it is time to step into senior football.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
