Let's see how many of these bid stick around once it's confirmed that the FFA won't be funding teams to a level to ensure all clubs break even.
A-league Expansion - Derbies
Most fans who want us out do so because we're foreigners.
I think the FFA and its cheerleaders are massively overstating how far the A League has come. Sure they have a new TV deal and a lot of parties interested in expansion clubs but it's in both the bidders' and FFA's interests to talk up the quality of those bids, and it's one thing to look good on paper and another to actually be a viable club, as GCU taught us. Not that long ago they were running the Jets for a year because they couldn't find an owner, while the Bakrie group wasn't paying its bills in Brisbane. They've poured money into Cahill but City are currently averaging lower crowds than last year. The A League sides in the ACL are getting humiliated. The NPL clubs are bleeding young players dry to fund their first teams so talented kids are switching codes. The Big Bash has emerged as a serious challenger for the sporting public's attention in the summer months, and has got prime free to air coverage locked in. The standard of refereeing in the league continues to be laughable and, rightly or wrongly, crowd behavior keeps attracting negative headlines.
I think there's still a lot to be said for stability.
Sure I might come across as overly defensive but us Nix supporters have had to put up with a lot of shark from the FFA and Australian media repeating falsehoods about our situation so I just get frustrated when it happens again.
Mate no is saying stability is no longer important... what they are saying is meeting growth targets is now equally as important..
As for Football's growth being over stated .... if anything under stated... Rugby in Australia is on its knees today... Basketball struggles ... we are about to go to FTA station and have a many bids and many are government backed ... We get lots of media these days most of it positive and the W-League is broadcast on the ABC...Socceroo's arguably the countries biggest sporting brand today ... some say the cricket team... some say the Socceroo's...
But and its the huge BUT ... no one wants you out because you are from NZ .... those that want you out and scream it say you are not contributing to the growth enough... grow your metrics and it all goes away and everything is sunshine lolly pops and sugar coated lemon drops... own the issue FFS ...
You may have got some more poor calls than others but fix the growth targets and everyone will cheer you.
Most fans who want us out do so because we're foreigners.
And the fact we have a 4 + 3 + 3 license when every other club has 20 years shows that it's bollocks to say we are being treated the same
Conan
Have it your way ... everyone is against you ... nothing is your fault ... everyone is to blame other than the Nix people... lets totally ignore other issues like AFC license requirements as they are only made up and Australia is so powerful in the AFC we can simply pick up the phone and say what we want to do.
You win... as I said there is no fault or blame or responsibility or cause by the Nix or Football generally in NZ ... FFA are lead by an evil demon who has made a pack with satin to destroy the Nix .... I understand now...
Honestly, the AFC do not care about our participation in the A-league. They ticked it off without any issue. It's true at one time Mohamed bin Hammam had problems with us, but he is long gone after his corruption was foudn out.
lol, just saw this
How about being in all those teams and instead of playing 3 games against the same team you could play only twice. 18 teams is 17 at home and away. That is a 34 game season for starters. Top 4 only, to play home and away semi and then a final. Potentially a 37 game season.
Agree. If they want a loyal fan base the Gong/Illawarra should go it alone.
It's a 10 year license with conditions.
Dome has said we just have to be around the same metrics as CCM and Jets after the first four years.
I think lack of that type of stadium is one of the key reasons why Auckland City hasn't been more aggressive in pursuing an A-League place
I don't know much about Akl City, However if a team from Auckland was to come in, it has a lot more option on stadiums then Wellington has.
Well they have 3 they could use as opposed to Wellington's 1. Mt Smart is probably the best but that is the Warriors home, QBE is difficult too get to and no one went when the Kingz and the Knights played there, and Eden Park is too big and too expensive
There's been plenty of speculation of a new rectangular stadium by the harbour/water front being built in Auckland. Also there was both a rich Russian and an American wanting to buy Auckland City and try to get them into the A-League, not quite sure at which stage it fell through though. Apparently it could have been the entry fee/application fee was too substantial to invest in. Although the new-owners-ships have apparently sailed.
Sauce?
It's a 10 year license with conditions.
Dome has said we just have to be around the same metrics as CCM and Jets after the first four years.
I think lack of that type of stadium is one of the key reasons why Auckland City hasn't been more aggressive in pursuing an A-League place
I don't know much about Akl City, However if a team from Auckland was to come in, it has a lot more option on stadiums then Wellington has.
Well they have 3 they could use as opposed to Wellington's 1. Mt Smart is probably the best but that is the Warriors home, QBE is difficult too get to and no one went when the Kingz and the Knights played there, and Eden Park is too big and too expensive
There's been plenty of speculation of a new rectangular stadium by the harbour/water front being built in Auckland. Also there was both a rich Russian and an American wanting to buy Auckland City and try to get them into the A-League, not quite sure at which stage it fell through though. Apparently it could have been the entry fee/application fee was too substantial to invest in. Although the new-owners-ships have apparently sailed.
Sauce?
Cheers mate
Conan
Have it your way ... everyone is against you ... nothing is your fault ... everyone is to blame other than the Nix people... lets totally ignore other issues like AFC license requirements as they are only made up and Australia is so powerful in the AFC we can simply pick up the phone and say what we want to do.
You win... as I said there is no fault or blame or responsibility or cause by the Nix or Football generally in NZ ... FFA are lead by an evil demon who has made a pack with satin to destroy the Nix .... I understand now...
Just another example of how the FFA are so incompetent. They should definitely be using a more sturdy fabric than satin to make a pack out of or it will just fall apart with use - where is the long-term planning?
Using Satin also doesn't help with the image that football players and fans have in this part of the world.
It's a 10 year license with conditions.
Dome has said we just have to be around the same metrics as CCM and Jets after the first four years.
I think lack of that type of stadium is one of the key reasons why Auckland City hasn't been more aggressive in pursuing an A-League place
I don't know much about Akl City, However if a team from Auckland was to come in, it has a lot more option on stadiums then Wellington has.
Well they have 3 they could use as opposed to Wellington's 1. Mt Smart is probably the best but that is the Warriors home, QBE is difficult too get to and no one went when the Kingz and the Knights played there, and Eden Park is too big and too expensive
There's been plenty of speculation of a new rectangular stadium by the harbour/water front being built in Auckland. Also there was both a rich Russian and an American wanting to buy Auckland City and try to get them into the A-League, not quite sure at which stage it fell through though. Apparently it could have been the entry fee/application fee was too substantial to invest in. Although the new-owners-ships have apparently sailed.
Sauce?
I'm a student at AUT. I have the benefit of having conversations with people in the industry:
My Sports Event Management lecturer who has worked with Eastern Suburbs and Auckland City &
Conversation I had with someone who works at NZ Football who's doing his PHD at AUT.
How about being in all those teams and instead of playing 3 games against the same team you could play only twice. 18 teams is 17 at home and away. That is a 34 game season for starters. Top 4 only, to play home and away semi and then a final. Potentially a 37 game season.
I think this is where we are headed ... we don't have the revenue to support the clubs at the moment nor consider expansion... and why all clubs are being pushed to grow the game... and why growing the game is now seen as very important.
Interesting sound cloud on the Southern Bid..
LIke wow nay mega wow taken from Ipswich bid ...
https://www.qt.com.au/news/council-to-throw-full-r...
"One of the things we have heard verbally is that Ipswich will not even be considered if they use Suncorp Stadium as a home game.
"The A-League wants to have those derby games at a local stadium."
North Ipswich Reserve has been identified as the site for upgraded facilities.
Cr Morrison said if the A-League called for a 15000 seat stadium moves would be made to achieve it.
Depending on time frames, he said that may need to happen in a staggered fashion with a 10000 capacity initially.
I think the FFA and its cheerleaders are massively overstating how far the A League has come. Sure they have a new TV deal and a lot of parties interested in expansion clubs but it's in both the bidders' and FFA's interests to talk up the quality of those bids, and it's one thing to look good on paper and another to actually be a viable club, as GCU taught us. Not that long ago they were running the Jets for a year because they couldn't find an owner, while the Bakrie group wasn't paying its bills in Brisbane. They've poured money into Cahill but City are currently averaging lower crowds than last year. The A League sides in the ACL are getting humiliated. The NPL clubs are bleeding young players dry to fund their first teams so talented kids are switching codes. The Big Bash has emerged as a serious challenger for the sporting public's attention in the summer months, and has got prime free to air coverage locked in. The standard of refereeing in the league continues to be laughable and, rightly or wrongly, crowd behavior keeps attracting negative headlines.
I think there's still a lot to be said for stability.
Sure I might come across as overly defensive but us Nix supporters have had to put up with a lot of shark from the FFA and Australian media repeating falsehoods about our situation so I just get frustrated when it happens again.
Mate no is saying stability is no longer important... what they are saying is meeting growth targets is now equally as important..
As for Football's growth being over stated .... if anything under stated... Rugby in Australia is on its knees today... Basketball struggles ... we are about to go to FTA station and have a many bids and many are government backed ... We get lots of media these days most of it positive and the W-League is broadcast on the ABC...Socceroo's arguably the countries biggest sporting brand today ... some say the cricket team... some say the Socceroo's...
But and its the huge BUT ... no one wants you out because you are from NZ .... those that want you out and scream it say you are not contributing to the growth enough... grow your metrics and it all goes away and everything is sunshine lolly pops and sugar coated lemon drops... own the issue FFS ...
You may have got some more poor calls than others but fix the growth targets and everyone will cheer you.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/906...
Michael Cockerill article in Sydney Morning Herald
"But talent can only flourish with opportunity. That's the bottleneck. It's in the A-League, and it's still in the national set-up.
It's another reason why establishing a national second division, to be workshopped in Melbourne on Monday night, is so crucial. A 10-team A-League is suffocating the pathway. Another tier of professionalism will let it breathe again."
http://www.dailyadvertiser.com.au/story/4544716/se...
I wonder if ACFC were invited to this gathering? Unlikely I imagine
http://www.dailyadvertiser.com.au/story/4544716/se...
I wonder if ACFC were invited to this gathering? Unlikely I imagine
http://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/analysis/a-league-promotion-relegation-could-mirror-k-league-454858
In Australia biggest Football stronghold … i.e Fairfield / Liverpool and within 2 Kls of Sydney United’s Ground, Marconi’s Ground, close to White Eagles ground..Any bid that joins this will blow everything else out of the water….
From the smh … more in the article…
In what is planned as Sydney’s third CBD …
Fairfield City to unveil plans for boutique football stadium for A-League expansion… i.e 10K capable of being expanded …
OMG nay OMFG …
Parts of the article..
Fairfield Showgrounds is set to undergo the first stage of developments to include a football-specific boutique stadium with $8.5 million already pledged form the council for its upgrades. The funding pledged towards renovations could soar close to $20 million if the council is successful in its request for state government co-funding.
I lived in Fairfield and know where the showground is …. so well placed …
BRISBANE City has entered the A-League expansion race after revealing a comprehensive bid that has been warmly received by Football Federation Australia.
The former National Soccer League side has a group of local investors in place who are backing them to return to Australian football’s top tier after a 39-year absence.
If approved, FC Brisbane City — or the Gladiators — would play out of a refurbished Ballymore Stadium and undergo a full rebranding, with a new logo and maroon, gold and blue as their primary colours to pitch themselves to a wider audience.
Despite the Suncorp crowds inevitably getting worse and worse due to this, it'll still be better than Southern Sydney.
Twenty years to the day of their proudest moment as a club, the Brisbane Strikers have reaffirmed their intent to bid for an A-League licence and insist they will be at the forefront of the expansion debate.
The Strikers have filed an official expression of interest to join the competition after a positive meeting with Football Federation Australia earlier this week in Sydney.
Second Brisbane team after expansion place after the FC Brisbane City put forward their bid last Month.
Looks like troppo season starts early in QLD this year. I would hope one good team from Brisbane (in addition to Roar) would be accepted, but two more would be ridiculous. If they combined forces it might be a worthy bid though.
As an outsider it really doesn't seem like there's a market for a second Brisbane team. If you look at how City/Heart have done in non-derby games and then figure that Brisbane has half the population of Melbourne and there aren't as many Roar fans as Victory ones to bolster the derby numbers, I just can't see it working. They don't seem to have the obvious geographic divide like Sydney either.
As an outsider it really doesn't seem like there's a market for a second Brisbane team. If you look at how City/Heart have done in non-derby games and then figure that Brisbane has half the population of Melbourne and there aren't as many Roar fans as Victory ones to bolster the derby numbers, I just can't see it working. They don't seem to have the obvious geographic divide like Sydney either.
I live in Brisbane and yeah can't see it working either. Would just cannibalise existing Roar fanbase - for 3 big games a year. At least in Melbourne, a core of football fans hated the Victory - so formation of Heart/City gave them an alternative team to follow.
If they based team around Ipswich/Logan, that would create some socio-economic & geographical distinction to Roar.
Definitely no expansion until 2019 at earliest.
Heard FFA spokesperson say this on NZ Radio News this a.m.
Definitely no expansion until 2019 at earliest.
Heard FFA spokesperson say this on NZ Radio News this a.m.
Is this the killer zone or was this how FFA got the AAFC to back down on supporting the A-League clubs, FFA board set allocation.
I just can't see how they think this will be economically viable.
Would love more detail re $. For example, in answer to "how will the clubs make money", they DON"T mention a cut of any media revenue. Their powerpoint slides....
Would appear the AAFC have not got the backing of the FFA
From Football Federation Victoria:
"In Monday's letter, Taliadoros also asked FFA to engage with the Association of Australian Football Clubs (AAFC) to consolidate a roadmap for a second tier, something chief executive David Gallop hosed down only last week."
As much as I think it would be great for the competition to have a second tier, I think this is many years away - if it will ever happen!
Surely we need more sides in the A League proper first. It must be one of, if not the smallest pro league in the world numbers wise.