No comment from FFA on this arvo’s board meeting and the expansion implications until tomorrow. I’m expecting the decision will be deferred to the new board but we’ll have to wait to find out for sure. #aleague
— Vince Rugari (@VinceRugari) October 16, 2018
A-league Expansion - Derbies
'gong & Ipswich bids culled https://www.a-league.com.au/news/update-hyundai-a-league-expansion
Canberra and maybe one from outer Melbourne I hope. There will be an uproar if it's one from melbourne and one from Sydney. This league will go to hell if Southern Expansion gets the nod.
'gong & Ipswich bids culled https://www.a-league.com.au/news/update-hyundai-a-league-expansion
Stalled with grace
'gong & Ipswich bids culled https://www.a-league.com.au/news/update-hyundai-a-league-expansion
Ipswich is fair, but that Wollongong decision is absolute horse shark.
Been a bit of angst in Australia, last few weeks about what Australia's immigration policy should be. Also what is an ideal population size, plus where new immigrants should live initially - big cities, or be forced to live in rural areas for first 5 years etc etc.
National popn is projected to increase to between 30.9 and 42.5 million people by 2056. Is a wide range.
A middle of the road projection is a popn of 35.9 million by 2050. So just under another 11 million people (current popn just over 25 million) in 32 years. Sydney and Melbourne will both grow to around 7-9M people!!
A sweeping assumption that many of this new 11M will be immigrants, and another assumption that for many new Aussies, football will be their sport of choice.
Read Ange Pot's book a few months ago. He's a big fan of A League expansion, and as quickly as possible.
I agree just get on with it. Is good news heading towards an independent A League. However I'd hate to see it stop A League expansion.
Welnix should be in favour of it. None of new teams, are a threat to their support base.
Lessons would have been learnt from the Gold Coast & North Queensland fudge ups. WSW shows if done right, planned well and in right locale - can be made to work.
My picks Macarthur and Team 11 (or Canberra).
fudge me!
Good job Chris & Patrick, stick it to them. And you are right, he comes across very much as a FFA "Sock Puppet".
To risk all a few years back to side with and be part of the APFCA before our last licence exemption extension, should indicate the Nix have no intention of pulling out.
West Melbourne are apparently after Scott Brown as a marquee for their first year.
The dream of a national second division running parallel with the A-League is inching closer to reality after a new round of financial modelling was unanimously endorsed by a meeting of clubs.
The Australian Association of Football Clubs is now pushing ahead with a plan to launch the competition – tentatively named ‘‘The Championship’’ – by 2020 or even sooner if possible.
The dream of a national second division running parallel with the A-League is inching closer to reality after a new round of financial modelling was unanimously endorsed by a meeting of clubs.
The Australian Association of Football Clubs is now pushing ahead with a plan to launch the competition – tentatively named ‘‘The Championship’’ – by 2020 or even sooner if possible.
Div 2 may be inching in the right direction
Would a well-funded and professionally run NZ team be welcome in Div 2?
The dream of a national second division running parallel with the A-League is inching closer to reality after a new round of financial modelling was unanimously endorsed by a meeting of clubs.
The Australian Association of Football Clubs is now pushing ahead with a plan to launch the competition – tentatively named ‘‘The Championship’’ – by 2020 or even sooner if possible.
Div 2 may be inching in the right direction
Would a well-funded and professionally run NZ team be welcome in Div 2?
You'd have to think that there just isn't enough depth in teams/players in Aus to not have another kiwi and/or an Asian or Pacific Island team/s. I wonder if ACFC is watching this with interest.
The dream of a national second division running parallel with the A-League is inching closer to reality after a new round of financial modelling was unanimously endorsed by a meeting of clubs.
The Australian Association of Football Clubs is now pushing ahead with a plan to launch the competition – tentatively named ‘‘The Championship’’ – by 2020 or even sooner if possible.
Div 2 may be inching in the right direction
Would a well-funded and professionally run NZ team be welcome in Div 2?
You'd have to think that there just isn't enough depth in teams/players in Aus to not have another kiwi and/or an Asian or Pacific Island team/s. I wonder if ACFC is watching this with interest.
Be interesting to know the mood at ACFC this season, with no CWC to look forward to.
Then of course FIFA may extend the CWC onto a 4 year cycle. They won’t like that at Kiwitea St
Still any Div 2 or A2 League you think would be operating on a tight budget. A team from Auckland may just be seen as adding costs, but contributing little or nothing in revenue ie similar arguments to some in Oz as to why the Nix don’t belong in the A League
I remember in the first few years of the Warriors being in the Aussie league, they had to cover the costs of teams coming to NZ to play them.
My impression would be no NZ team would get into the tier 2 including the Nix as a NZ based/playing team.
The existing board, whose chairman Steven Lowy will stand down next month, had planned to name the two successful bidders today (October 31) for entry into the league in 2019-20.
But, in a split decision, they instead opted to pass the ball to their successors, with all indications now that aspirants Canberra, Southern Expansion, Macarthur South West Sydney, Team 11, Western Melbourne Group and South Melbourne will have to wait on the sidelines for longer than they had hoped.
“Nobody is strong enough to be nominated at this stage,” said an influential source.
Could be controversial if we were relegated (if it was possible for us to be relegated)...
I think it's a fine line between overly fast expansion and stagnation.
I don't have much to offer in regards to solution, I just look at the likes of the MLS with envy (can't compare their market size and economy I know). But if I reflect back, it's taking the Yankees 30 years (if not more) and several set backs to get to where they are.
Checkmate Southern Sydney. Wolves looking to screw everything up for those kinds of bids, and I love it.
I think it's a fine line between overly fast expansion and stagnation.
I don't have much to offer in regards to solution, I just look at the likes of the MLS with envy (can't compare their market size and economy I know). But if I reflect back, it's taking the Yankees 30 years (if not more) and several set backs to get to where they are.
The league definitely needs to expand to avoid stagnation and repetitiveness but I think the pro-expansion camp hugely understates the risks of expansion. You can't just make new clubs and assume they will be long-term, or even medium-term, viable. You can also argue that WSW were only successful because of huge levels of support from the FFA, which other expansion clubs probably won't get
You're bang on an I agree 100% on everything you say.
I just get the feeling that a "slight" expansion could work at this moment - just to shake the market up a bit... But yeah no club outside of SFC and MVC (and maybe City) are doing that well financially (even WSW have dropped significantly of late) - but on the other hand we run the risk of running the most boring league ever... same teams, no relegation, nothing to strive for... hardly a recipe for success domestically and internationally.
I still just can't see promotion/relegation working. The top tier is hardly financially viable, so why would a second tier be sustainable?
20 teams, play each other twice per year, top 4 make Home & Away semis, winners into grand final = 38 games minimum 41 games max. Nice long season. NO relegation needed as I think 20 teams would be the max the League could cater for. (1 Wellington, 1 Auckland, ! Christchurch)
I don't think the A-League will ever be able to support 20 teams, even if we include the likes of an Auckland/ChCh and Pacific Islands team.
However, there's probably room for an increase in the current number of teams...
Promotion relegation is another really interesting one - be great to have it, but lots of work is needed in ensuring A-2 League can be financially sustainable
I don't think the A-League will ever be able to support 20 teams, even if we include the likes of an Auckland/ChCh and Pacific Islands team.
However, there's probably room for an increase in the current number of teams...
Promotion relegation is another really interesting one - be great to have it, but lots of work is needed in ensuring A-2 League can be financially sustainable
And if the A-2 League was set up with only Australian teams (no guarantee a Kiwi team would be a look-in), what would happen if the Nix got relegated?
Would a NZ team be welcome in the second tier, forcing, as it would, other teams to start travelling to NZ for some of their games?
And would the Nix be viable at a lower, semi-pro level?
Lots of questions. Not sure of the answers.
Pro/rel is a pipedream.
Us kiwis know that and so do most intelligent people involved in Aussie football. It's the ethnic clubs etc pushing this agenda forgetting that the NSL was nearly amateur at the end because of the number of teams involved and the lack of fans and finances available.
Expansion is KEY issue for new Chair
Nikou was named chairman after a prolonged back room meeting of the new FFA board elected him to the hot seat with Heather Reid as his deputy.
And he immediately announced his intention to make a decision on expansion by Christmas.
? Been told Dec 12 is D-Day for #ALeague expansion. New FFA board likely to meet then to consider new teams. Story soon on @AAPNewswire
— Ben McKay (@benmackey) November 20, 2018
? Been told Dec 12 is D-Day for #ALeague expansion. New FFA board likely to meet then to consider new teams. Story soon on @AAPNewswire
— Ben McKay (@benmackey) November 20, 2018
#BoardOfFfa will meet to #Discuss ??????
A-League expansion
Dominic Bossi reports that there will be a "windfall" from A-League expansion but how will FFA spend the money? Expansion bidders are tipped to put in between $5 million and $15 million, with one even said to be offering $25 million, with the decision to be made on the two successful bidders at a Board meeting on 12 December.
Team 11 believe re-elected Govmt will find 120 million stadium
A-League expansion
Some A-League expansion bidders are concerned that the new FFA Board will 'take the money and run', that is, take the highest license fee bid available, rather than the best bid. Some bidders are said to have offered up to $20 million after being encouraged by Deloitte to increase their financial offer. Deloitte's lead adviser is said to have no experience in "evaluating sporting franchise bids" and has shown little interest in the other criteria such as fan engagement, youth pathways and connection to the local area and football.
The Canberra Times is getting very confident about the Canberra A-League expansion bid with suggestions of five possible coaches: Harry Kewell, Frank Farina, Tony Vidmar, Luke Wilkshire and Paul Okon. Of those, Farina, Vidmar and Wilkshire have all spent time in the bush captial.
Southern Expansion says the capacity A-League crowd and fan experience at Jubilee Oval for Sunday’s ‘Big Blue’ match just proves the power of its Bid and its local stadia strategy. Read our Media Release for more:https://t.co/EdJqgEiX8q pic.twitter.com/SyuVSKmBe9
— Southern Expansion (@SouthernExpFC) November 25, 2018
Sydney FC announcing an MOU with Wollongong Wolves. Hilariously, Southern Expansion are planning their own presser at the same location in approx 30 minutes. #aleague pic.twitter.com/rzfTvEP35E
— Vince Rugari (@VinceRugari) November 27, 2018