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Another NZ based A League team?

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Even though there have been issues in the past I can't ever see a second NZ team not being in Auckland.
 
Yes I think it would be a good thing.  Will it happen?  I think the only way it could is if the Auckland City crowd get bored with the NZFC, I think they could probably do a pretty good job but may struggle with the cash and there is still no natural home for a football team in Auckland

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How much would it cost to use Eden Park?

Would mean Aucklanders wouldn't have to travel to NHS. I think people need to understand what a bitch of a place NHS to get to that it might have been a contributing factor in there awful crowds. Admittedly most of the people who lived miles away wouldn't have come anyway considering there awful performances.Mr_Incredible2009-11-07 11:19:41
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What about that Mohammed bin whatever his name is. He is trying to get us kicked out of the a-league

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I understand about FFA having to add and cover their Australian markets.

But the issue of the confederation status of NZ does not matter to the FFA, if you are looking to just join A-League. The issue of the ACL for NZ teams is a AFC matter. They are separate issues as one is about being adding to the FFA's A-league and the other is about being added to the AFC's ACL. Different administration issues.


Good post.
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How much would it cost to use Eden Park?

Would mean Aucklanders wouldn't have to travel to NHS. I think people need to understand what a bitch of a place NHS to get to that it might have been a contributing factor in there awful crowds. Admittedly most of the people who lived miles away wouldn't have come anyway considering there awful performances.


Another reason why Auckland is a problem. Until that traffic issue is sorted out and getting a decent location. It would be such a uphill battle.

I am also not yet convinced that Eden Park is the ultimate answer but it does seem to be better idea when the upgrades are sorted for the Rugby World Cup.

Eden Park location maybe is the solution for an Auckland A-league franchise most domestic cricket games are in the outer oval anyway. It's the time used between them and the Rugby and maybe the 2015 ICC cricket world cup. They have to move away from the old locations and make their own way to manage it just like the WP management is in the Ring of Fire. Pay the cost of rental and focus on the team needs and have the training ground sorted out. Let the stadium staff to sort out the facilities. Having a strong facility and great location are important if an Auckland A-league team is to survive.

Christchurch has an good enough location with AMI Stadium as well and is certain to have a better following, perhaps much better than Auckland.
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Would Mt Smart not be under consideration if an Auckland club could negotiate joint-use with the Warriors? Mt Smart is the spiritual home of Kiwi football after all. I agree that NHS would be a nightmare though. Crowds would suffer badly if a team was based there.
 
As far as Christchurch goes, AMI would be a great location but there's also the QEII. The All Whites have always done well using QEII whenever they've been in Christchurch over the years.

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How much would it cost to use Eden Park?

Would mean Aucklanders wouldn't have to travel to NHS. I think people need to understand what a bitch of a place NHS to get to that it might have been a contributing factor in there awful crowds. Admittedly most of the people who lived miles away wouldn't have come anyway considering there awful performances.


Another reason why Auckland is a problem. Until that traffic issue is sorted out and getting a decent location. It would be such a uphill battle.

I am also not yet convinced that Eden Park is the ultimate answer but it does seem to be better idea when the upgrades are sorted for the Rugby World Cup.

Eden Park location maybe is the solution for an Auckland A-league franchise most domestic cricket games are in the outer oval anyway. It's the time used between them and the Rugby and maybe the 2015 ICC cricket world cup. They have to move away from the old locations and make their own way to manage it just like the WP management is in the Ring of Fire. Pay the cost of rental and focus on the team needs and have the training ground sorted out. Let the stadium staff to sort out the facilities. Having a strong facility and great location are important if an Auckland A-league team is to survive.

Christchurch has an good enough location with AMI Stadium as well and is certain to have a better following, perhaps much better than Auckland.
 
Albany does have a pretty good bus link with the city now though.
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james dean wrote:
Even though there have been issues in the past I can't ever see a second NZ team not being in Auckland.
 
Yes I think it would be a good thing.  Will it happen?  I think the only way it could is if the Auckland City crowd get bored with the NZFC, I think they could probably do a pretty good job but may struggle with the cash and there is still no natural home for a football team in Auckland
 
bring back carlaw park
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james dean wrote:
Even though there have been issues in the past I can't ever see a second NZ team not being in Auckland.
 
Yes I think it would be a good thing.  Will it happen?  I think the only way it could is if the Auckland City crowd get bored with the NZFC, I think they could probably do a pretty good job but may struggle with the cash and there is still no natural home for a football team in Auckland
 
bring back carlaw park
That ship has sailed.
 
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How much would it cost to use Eden Park?

Would mean Aucklanders wouldn't have to travel to NHS. I think people need to understand what a bitch of a place NHS to get to that it might have been a contributing factor in there awful crowds. Admittedly most of the people who lived miles away wouldn't have come anyway considering there awful performances.
How much different is getting to NHS than to the ROF? In Wellington, most would need to catch public transport surely? At least with NHS there is parking galore and you can get there easily by bus.
 
Auckland is the only real option for a 2nd team. Purely on a population basis. The club would need strong ownership and leadership and I'm certain it is out there. The Kingz/Knights had ownership by default, those guys founded the club and did the hard yards to get into the aussie comp, just a pity they couldn't run it well enough to be successful. Now Terry has shown that a NZ team can be viable in an Aussie competition and that we already have some well run pro sports franchises/clubs in NZ - make sit an easier sell to a prospective owner. Does the owner need to be a Kiwi?
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There will be no outer oval at Eden Park when finished [car park].
 
Mt Smart might possibly close if the Warriors move to the new Eden Park.
 
Venues left - North Harbour Stadium and Waitakere Stadium.
 
NHS is the better serviced in terms of motorway and public transport. Also in a growing population area. Also the home of NZF is it not?
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The Old Home of NZF.
 
That reminds me, we need a nickname for the RoF when the All Whites are using it.
You know we belong together...

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I know I started all this up again, but to be honest I am getting more worried about the Nix's future each and every day that passes! I wish the licence thing for at least one NZ team is sorted out before we think about another.

It would be a shame if Mt. Smart closed. It could only sell 15,000 tickets for an exhibition football match though.

I would be interested to see how many 'locales' would attend the Palmerston North game.

Speaking completely out of my a*** here, but say by some miricle that 15,000 turned out for the P north game and the city of P north was offerred a licence - would our supporters from Kapiti, Wanganui etc. switch their support from the Phoenix to the Manawatu Windmills (or whatever it they would call it - P. North Drunken Students or something).

Central Hawkes Bay Nix
and tragic follower of Charlton Athletic 
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To close to Wellington, no financial base, no population base, no chance.
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Everton FC wrote:
How much would it cost to use Eden Park?

Would mean Aucklanders wouldn't have to travel to NHS. I think people need to understand what a bitch of a place NHS to get to that it might have been a contributing factor in there awful crowds. Admittedly most of the people who lived miles away wouldn't have come anyway considering there awful performances.


Another reason why Auckland is a problem. Until that traffic issue is sorted out and getting a decent location. It would be such a uphill battle.

I am also not yet convinced that Eden Park is the ultimate answer but it does seem to be better idea when the upgrades are sorted for the Rugby World Cup.

Eden Park location maybe is the solution for an Auckland A-league franchise most domestic cricket games are in the outer oval anyway. It's the time used between them and the Rugby and maybe the 2015 ICC cricket world cup. They have to move away from the old locations and make their own way to manage it just like the WP management is in the Ring of Fire. Pay the cost of rental and focus on the team needs and have the training ground sorted out. Let the stadium staff to sort out the facilities. Having a strong facility and great location are important if an Auckland A-league team is to survive.

Christchurch has an good enough location with AMI Stadium as well and is certain to have a better following, perhaps much better than Auckland.
 
Albany does have a pretty good bus link with the city now though.


How hard is it to get to NHS for a 7 pm kick off? Not hard at all FFS, esp in weekends, it is only a blat down the motorway, way way better than it was in the past, plus a good bus service if that is your need

NHS is by far the best place for a team to be based in Auckland, plus it is the home of NZ Football. The reason that the crowds were low in the past was the crappy team combined with  poor management, and the lack of a decent passionate supporters club.  Surely with YF showing the way, it would flourish in Auckland now.

Eden park will be too big when it is finished, would still look quite deserted with a crowd of 10,000 in, and is the home of rugby, forget it

And before you go on about the Beckham game here in Akld, it was badly managed, and featured a team of nobodies, which is why nobody went

2nd team, Auckland, way to go




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Hard News wrote:
Exactly.� It needs someone to Terry it, but I have never heard of anyone linked with the concept in Christchurch.


It doesn't need someone from Christchurch to Terry it, the point is that Christchurch has the football population base to keep it going. Why could it not be a successful non-Canterbury businessman making a it work in Christchurch?

We all know its location, location and location. So far, Auckland has not proven itself over time and Christchurch look far more promising.
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Bah to other cities.  Base a second HAL team in the Wellington region.  Kids in Porirua are crying out for something to do on the weekend.
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hepatitis wrote:
   How hard is it to get to NHS for a 7 pm kick off? Not hard at all FFS, esp in weekends, it is only a blat down the motorway, way way better than it was in the past, plus a good bus service if that is your need

NHS is by far the best place for a team to be based in Auckland, plus it is the home of NZ Football. The reason that the crowds were low in the past was the crappy team combined with  poor management, and the lack of a decent passionate supporters club.  Surely with YF showing the way, it would flourish in Auckland now.

Eden park will be too big when it is finished, would still look quite deserted with a crowd of 10,000 in, and is the home of rugby, forget it

And before you go on about the Beckham game here in Akld, it was badly managed, and featured a team of nobodies, which is why nobody went

2nd team, Auckland, way to go

 
Would absolutely hate it if a franchise ended up playing at NHS, for lots of reasons, but it is probably the most likely venue if we did get another team.
 
Completely agree about the Beckham thing. Bringing that up as some sort of justification for never having a football match in Auckland again is bollocks. It was a disaster from start to finish, badly managed and extremely badly promoted. It wasn't really a shock that no-one turned up to see a team comprised almost exclusively of no-names playing against the Galaxy. I was actually surprised they got the crowd they did.
 
 
...and I've told you before. The new NZ A League franchise will be the Pukekohe Power, who will play in glorious red and yellow hoops, and will play at Growers Stadium. They will be owned by a mysterious Scottish benefactor who made his millions by winning Lotto Powerball. Remember where you heard it first ......
Jag2009-11-24 08:13:21

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Personally think the new team should be based in Whanganui. Since Michael Laws is so interested, get him to find a group of investors to fund and run the team - the Whanganui Whankers.
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So if another team was baased in Auckland... weve had Kings, Knights, what would be next.. jokers?
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Wrong theme.  Kings & Knights would be chess, so...

Auckland Queens.
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Yeah thats got quite a nice ring to it
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The alternative was Auckland Bishops, but it would lead to commentators using the term "bashing" too often.
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mm commentators nightmare. or the Auckland pawns. "For the last 5 minutes its been all pawn here at Eden Park"
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Wow, that was a shocker
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james dean wrote:
Even though there have been issues in the past I can't ever see a second NZ team not being in Auckland.
 
Yes I think it would be a good thing.  Will it happen?  I think the only way it could is if the Auckland City crowd get bored with the NZFC, I think they could probably do a pretty good job but may struggle with the cash and there is still no natural home for a football team in Auckland


Its a pity the old Mt Eden ground feel into disrepair in the 80s due to subsidence as that was AKL's home of football.
Supporter world's best and worst football teams: Waikato/WaiBop, Kingz, Knights, Phoenix, The Argyle, The Whites & the All Whites

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I'm hoping at this meeting in Kuala Lumpur not only will the Phoenix future be secured, but Ben Buckley or whoever will say that the Phoenix impressed all the Asian football bosses so much that another NZ team is on the cards.

Back to dreaming.
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How are these whispers of a Pacific Island team congealing?  Or is this a question for another thread!?!?!?!

Central Hawkes Bay Nix
and tragic follower of Charlton Athletic 
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loyalgunner wrote:
I'm hoping at this meeting in Kuala Lumpur not only will the Phoenix future be secured, but Ben Buckley or whoever will say that the Phoenix impressed all the Asian football bosses so much that another NZ team is on the cards.

Back to dreaming.


I've been busy this week, any news, the only party that has been silent has really been the AFC since Bin Hamman's comments.

I haven't scanned the internet this week for news.
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aix4_5 wrote:
mm commentators nightmare. or the Auckland pawns. "For the last 5 minutes its been all pawn here at Eden Park"


You should be banned for that.

I'm thinking I should give Mike Pero an email.  Maybe he'd be keen to try get an a-league team here.
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