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Diminishing crowds in the A-league

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Diminishing crowds in the A-league
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Are they really diminishing? Personally I beleive they are pretty much the same as last season's except they are spread over more teams hence lower crowds per team. Crowd numbers seem approximately the same as last seasons if we look at the numbers attending alone. However that means very few new fans have joined the fray :

Your thoughts?
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
that's certainly the spin that the FFA is putting on it, i.e. more people overall are watching even if there are less per match.  Which may be true but it does mean that teams are losing fans match on match which isn't a good thing and it's hard to argue that new teams in Queensland should have an affect on crowds in anywhere other than Brisbane.
 
There have also been more matches so over the season you may actually have more total attending games.
 
I still think that the slightly tedious season last year has meant that a lot of fans haven't shown up this season, and I always maintain that you're very unlikely to pick up fans during the season.  What you get for game 1 will probably be close to your max crowd for the season.

Normo's coming home

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I think the Phoenix home crowds have been pretty decent, given the results they've had at home.

I think all sports have been feeling the pinch with crowds this year, oval ball codes being no exception.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Pretty disappointing, this seasons crowds.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
loyalgunner wrote:
Pretty disappointing, this seasons crowds.


The average is about 9600 at present across the League.

Newcastle and Brisbane have been big let-downs.

Brisbane is a farce.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Wellington's as well but not nearly as much.

Have Gold Coast picked up at all?
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Three teams in QLD can't help.

Three for me, and two for them.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
loyalgunner wrote:
Wellington's as well but not nearly as much.

Have Gold Coast picked up at all?


Not sure what Saturday's figure was. Looked about 5000 though as a guess.


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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Buffon II wrote:
Three teams in QLD can't help.


Brisbane (say 1.7 million pop.) and Gold Coast (approx 600,000 permanent residents) have been terrible. These cities are also on 70km's apart which adds to the mystery.

Townsville though (1000km's north of Brisbane and approx 160,000 residents) is doing OK I'd say.

They seem to have a small (but growing) and loyal fan base.

Don't forget, the North Queensland Cowboys (who are Townsville based) pull spectators from as far west as Mount Isa (10 hours drive away).

Of all the 3 Queensland teams, the one doing the best this year is the Fury I'd say.

 
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Using Wiki numbers (which look correct for the Nix) overall crowd averages are well down on previous seasons.
 
 
However, compared to other clubs, the Nix are fairing relatively well - 7th ranked crowd average (which for the size of Wellington compared to most other "host cities" is reasonable) and we are one of only two clubs whose average attendance is up on last season - the other being Perth.
 
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Whitby boy wrote:
Using Wiki numbers (which look correct for the Nix) overall crowd averages are well down on previous seasons.
 
 
However, compared to other clubs, the Nix are fairing relatively well - 7th ranked crowd average (which for the size of Wellington compared to most other "host cities" is reasonable) and we are one of only two clubs whose average attendance is up on last season - the other being Perth.
 


Overall numbers are down (even here in Melbourne) but yes, Wellington's drop isn't as dramatic as seen in other centres such as Brisbane.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
welllington has actually improved on last tear hasn't it?

Normo's coming home

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
james dean wrote:
welllington has actually improved on last tear hasn't it?


I think the average is down across the board, except for Perth and maybe Adelaide.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
If you ignore the 2 new clubs the average crowd this season is 10,400. This is 16% down on last seasons average of 12,100.
 
All clubs are down except Perth (up 19%) and the Nix (up 4 %).
 
The biggest drop is the Jets (down 40%) followed by the Roar (down 32%).
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
loyalgunner wrote:
Wellington's as well but not nearly as much.

Have Gold Coast picked up at all?
Just over 4100ish
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Gold Coast's crowds have dropped - Clive Palmer has lost some weight lately and now requires two less seats
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
You mean he's eaten most of them in the early rounds so now there's not many fans left and he's losing weight.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
So does anyone actually have an explanation why?
I'd say the standard of players is going up and up, to produce better quality football?
Yet numbers go down?
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
money money money
You know we belong together...

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Crap advertising and marketing is the main reason imo. I am shocked if I see an ad for the A-League on TV and a lot of people don't even know it's on most of the time.

a.haak

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
valeo wrote:
Crap advertising and marketing is the main reason imo. I am shocked if I see an ad for the A-League on TV and a lot of people don't even know it's on most of the time.


The first few years it was good. You're in Melbourne valeo, surely you've seen some of the billboards for MVFC around town.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/soccer/a-leagues-best-team-cant-attract-fans/story-e6frey4r-1225788438900

Gold Coast's ticket prices are their downfall. Absolutely the most expensive. They charge $55 for a category 1 ticket, category 2 $42, category 3 (general admission) $29, family $80, juniors $17 and concession $24.

Every club attendance is either steady or down except for Perth Glory.

Team � Last season � This season � Change
Melbourne � 24,516 � 20,089 � ?18%
Sydney � 12,375 � 12,075 � ?2%
Adelaide � 11,712 � 11,433 � ?2%
Perth � 7,942 � 9,419 � +19%
Brisbane     ï¿½ 12,995 � 8,573 � ?34%
Central Coast � 10,465 � 7,706 � ?26%
Wellington � 7,193 � 7,368 � +2%
North Qld � No data � 6,676 � could be better
Newcastle � 9,729      � 5,764 � ?41%
Gold Coast � No data � 5,044 � Terrible
Total � 12,180 � 9,486 � ?22%
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Interesting stats.  I hope the FFA and the team owners get together and work something out.

More importantly, where is our damn licence extension?
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Just for comparison, here are some attendance figures from the just-completed J-League season. Yes, I'm aware it's apples and oranges in terms of population base, the length of time the league has been running, local popularity of the sport, and probably other factors. However, Australia and Japan are both at the top of the Asian tree, and looking at their local leagues might be informative or interesting.
 
Total Attendance: 5,852,705
Average Attendance: 19,126
(18 Teams x 34 rounds = 306 matches. J-League doesn't have playoffs)
 
Highest Match Attendance:  53,783 Urawa Reds v Kashima Antlers, Round 34 (6th v 1st, with Kashima needing to win to clinch the title)
 
Lowest Match Attendance: 5,567 Kyoto Sanga v JEF United, Round 12 (at the time 12th v16th - Kyoto eventually finished 12th, and JEF finished last [18th] and got relegated, now apparently looking for Shane Smeltz)
 
Total goals: 791 (avge 2.58/match) 
 
Most interesting for me is the huge difference in highest and lowest attendance, although I've seen Urawa play ACL games on telly and their fans are amazing. While the game decided the league winner, it was a "nothing" game for the Reds, who were too far back to chase an ACL spot.
 
Source - Football Siam (11-17 Dec 09)
 
Edit - Just looked at the J-League website, and in English there is a PDF doc on attendance up to 2008. The league is aiming for 11 million to attend by 2010. They claim 9.1 million for last season, but this includes home games for the clubs in the ACL.
 
Even so, if Football Siam's numbers are correct, that's a fair drop overall this season
 
Edit v2.0 - Found another PDF that puts last season's aggregate for league only at 5,899,063. Something's up here - that means 3.2m attended ACL games in Japan in 2008 according to the other doc.
 
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wolfman2009-12-16 04:44:58


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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I wonder if the victory will bring in as many fans with the Heart coming next year in a brand new stadium,
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
5kux wrote:
I wonder if the victory will bring in as many fans with the Heart coming next year in a brand new stadium,


Melbourne will be fine mate, we'll exceed the 10,000 minimum rule so it's all good.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Let's face it, the A League has been treading water - where are the marquee signings that will get bums on seats..? Dwight Yorke was a great signing for the league and Robbie Fowler has proved doubters wrong...but its not enough...needs more 'glam' factor...
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Relying on marquee names is a dead end street though, the cost is enormous and it's a genuine gamble.  There's been far more failures than successes going down that route.  I think keep needing to build the standard but focus the marketing on marquee personalitites.  We need to build A-League stars rather than trying to import them.

Normo's coming home

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
valeo wrote:
Crap advertising and marketing is the main reason imo. I am shocked if I see an ad for the A-League on TV and a lot of people don't even know it's on most of the time.
 
 
 
Arrr you be wanting Glyn Taylor then.....
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'd see the start of the 2010/11 season as a good litmus test:

1. Soon after the 2010 WC
2. Hopefully over the worst of the recession
3. People realising that the world is not about to end or the sky fall on our heads(it will do so gradually)

If we can't build on coverage of the world's best footballers on show and general optimism then we're muppets.

(cue M'nah m'nah song)

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
What are our ticket prices like compared to other clubs?
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Look, once it will go free-to-air TV down the track, you will get to see a rise in the crowd attendance. Also, the year before the world cup final will always have a drop in the season's average. But you have to admire the FFA positive angles in all this.
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