Straya - A-League and State Leagues

Independent A-League

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15 Feb 11:46

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/football/football-federation-australia-finally-prepared-to-relinquish-control-of-aleague-to-clubs/news-story/ad0331261a4dcd25c62a48e5b22b8d2e

A SEPARATED A-League is imminent after Football Federation Australia told club owners that they were finally prepared to relinquish control of their competition.

No transition plan was revealed by FFA and an expansion criteria is now unlikely to be released prior to the unveiling of separation plan, though the split could happen in time for next season with A-League clubs set to work on a blueprint in coming weeks.

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

16 Feb 03:24

My question is, good or bad for the Phoenix' future in the A-League? Will our 4-3-3 license still apply if the clubs are in charge or will that idea be scrapped with the split between the FFA and the A-League? 

16 Feb 04:17

Jaickin wrote:

My question is, good or bad for the Phoenix' future in the A-League? Will our 4-3-3 license still apply if the clubs are in charge or will that idea be scrapped with the split between the FFA and the A-League? 

Definitely good. For a start WelNix will be part of the governance of the competition, rather than subject to the FFA's whims. Even more importantly the other club owners were all in favour of the Nix staying and there isn't any business reason to ditch the Nix. Remove the Australian football politics from it and our future looks a lot more secure.

Now we just need to start fudgeing winning some games.

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

16 Feb 04:56

Jaickin wrote:

My question is, good or bad for the Phoenix' future in the A-League? Will our 4-3-3 license still apply if the clubs are in charge or will that idea be scrapped with the split between the FFA and the A-League? 

Definitely good. For a start WelNix will be part of the governance of the competition, rather than subject to the FFA's whims. Even more importantly the other club owners were all in favour of the Nix staying and there isn't any business reason to ditch the Nix. Remove the Australian football politics from it and our future looks a lot more secure.

Now we just need to start fudgeing winning some games.

Thank you, that's very reassuring, Fudge the FFA and power to the clubs! 

02 Mar 04:12

Jaickin wrote:

Jaickin wrote:

My question is, good or bad for the Phoenix' future in the A-League? Will our 4-3-3 license still apply if the clubs are in charge or will that idea be scrapped with the split between the FFA and the A-League? 

Definitely good. For a start WelNix will be part of the governance of the competition, rather than subject to the FFA's whims. Even more importantly the other club owners were all in favour of the Nix staying and there isn't any business reason to ditch the Nix. Remove the Australian football politics from it and our future looks a lot more secure.

Now we just need to start fudgeing winning some games.

Thank you, that's very reassuring, Fudge the FFA and power to the clubs! 

I missed this story when it first broke, but now I'm wondering why there is so little 'chatter' about it on this forum. Especially as it could take us out of the clutches of FFA  and be a club saver for the Nix.

02 Mar 09:44

If the FFA lose control of the competition, the salary cap will probably go and if that happens we won't have a chance of winning the thing.

02 Mar 19:31

Ryan54 wrote:

If the FFA lose control of the competition, the salary cap will probably go and if that happens we won't have a chance of winning the thing.

You think that the majority of club owners want to scrap the cap?

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

02 Mar 21:05

Ryan54 wrote:

If the FFA lose control of the competition, the salary cap will probably go and if that happens we won't have a chance of winning the thing.

You think that the majority of club owners want to scrap the cap?

I feel that if there is, it would be simplified - none of this FFA approving marquees (Pandev and Diamanti both supposedly being declined by the FFA, Pandev is crazy, he's actually won important competitions rather Ca$hill) - and also possibly no min, or lower min, cap spend which is currently 90% of salary cap.

02 Mar 21:08

which would be good. At the moment there may as well not be a cap, with all the marquees etc the FFA keep adding whenever Sydney or Melbourne need it. 


Allegedly

02 Mar 21:33

Bullion wrote:

Ryan54 wrote:

If the FFA lose control of the competition, the salary cap will probably go and if that happens we won't have a chance of winning the thing.

You think that the majority of club owners want to scrap the cap?

I feel that if there is, it would be simplified - none of this FFA approving marquees (Pandev and Diamanti both supposedly being declined by the FFA, Pandev is crazy, he's actually won important competitions rather Ca$hill) - and also possibly no min, or lower min, cap spend which is currently 90% of salary cap.

Yeah I can see it being reformed, simplified and maybe raised but not scrapped entirely. The current system is bollocks anyway thougg

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

03 Mar 01:02

surely it'd just result in us getting screwed over by a different lot?



03 Mar 03:11

If FFA gives up control of the A-League, would the new owners have the power to grant the Nix a proper licence to match all the other clubs in the comp? 

03 Mar 03:17

The FFA doesn't even have that right, every extension has to be signed off on by the AFC, NZF, OFC and FIFA.

03 Mar 04:14

Ryan wrote:

The FFA doesn't even have that right, every extension has to be signed off on by the AFC, NZF, OFC and FIFA.

But on the direction of the FFA? Surely if the FFA had asked for 20yrs it probably would have been ok with all parties involved. They must have all approved 10yrs because our participation in the 433 is between us and the FFA not the other stakeholders.

03 Mar 04:35

Bullion wrote:

Ryan wrote:

The FFA doesn't even have that right, every extension has to be signed off on by the AFC, NZF, OFC and FIFA.

But on the direction of the FFA? Surely if the FFA had asked for 20yrs it probably would have been ok with all parties involved. They must have all approved 10yrs because our participation in the 433 is between us and the FFA not the other stakeholders.

Ya, everything beyond the FFA, or a new indie body, is a box-ticking exercise.

03 Mar 04:50

I remember Rob Morison was on the radio when the whole extension saga was playing out that the AFC were the ones who suggested ten years.

03 Mar 05:00

AFC and FIFA just go along with whatever FFA suggest. Don't see that changing with IndyLeague


Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

06 Jul 22:26

patrick478 wrote:

AFC and FIFA just go along with whatever FFA suggest.

    Or will they  FIFA Mission on its way

  Supporter For Ever - Keep The Faith - Foundation Member - Never Lets FAX Get In The Way Of A Good Yarn

07 Jul 00:34

Things are getting interesting...

I'm an optimistic pessimist. 
I'm positive things will go wrong.
07 Jul 00:56

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

07 Jul 00:57

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

07 Jul 11:12

Is this on the way for FFA?

FIFA put a 'normalisation committee' into Argentina in 2016.

Kotahitanga. We are one.

11 Jul 18:57

Yakcall wrote:

Things are getting interesting...

Yes please FIFA, just do it!!

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

23 Jul 05:42

Lonegunmen wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

Things are getting interesting...

Yes please FIFA, just do it!!

Be careful what you wish for... you may not like Lowy ... But ... 

Those demanding change over here want to move to a full FIFA model... i.e. at least two divisions and P & R.... in time multi divisions ... 

The current franchise / licence FFA system protects the Nix from having a bad year...  have a bad year and the cost to maintain a second division team will be huge ... and if you fall from the second division ... the cost at a third division to take part could be huge compared to revenue. 

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

23 Jul 19:22

Selling Football Oz style

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24 Jul 03:40 · edited 24 Jul 03:41 · History

I don't see a way for the Phoenix to exist in a pro/rel system in Australia. Unless they allow our National League to act as a state league in the pyramid, pro/rel in Australia will be the end of the Nix.

If that's what FIFA wants, I'm against FIFA involvement and would prefer the (admittedly awful) status quo as the lesser evil.

Valley FC til I die?

24 Jul 03:49

They don't mind the US not having pro rel. If it is something that they want then it's going to be a ten year thing as Australia can't afford it.

24 Jul 04:12

It's the governance structure that FIFA have issue with, not the lack of pro/rel. 

One of the outcomes with an expanded governance structure could be that the new governance will force in pro/rel, but FIFA aren't going to force that to happen.

AFC, on the other hand, place much higher expectations on FFA that they will have pro/rel in place sooner rather than later. But thats a seperate issue.


Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

24 Jul 05:05

Yeah I see it as an inevitable outcome of the review and the direction football in Australia is progressing towards, FIFA stepping in (and therefore a change in governance structure) will simply accelerate the process.

Valley FC til I die?

06 Aug 00:46

FIFA delegation reported to arrive Tuesday 

  Supporter For Ever - Keep The Faith - Foundation Member - Never Lets FAX Get In The Way Of A Good Yarn

06 Aug 00:53

I heard toys out of the cot between Lowry Jr and the owners.

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

09 Aug 09:47

Its all about to unfold what happens and when we will soon find out.

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

09 Aug 10:33

Midfielder wrote:

Its all about to unfold what happens and when we will soon find out.

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

09 Aug 23:48

Who's over there representing the Nix at this bunfight?

09 Aug 23:52

scribbler wrote:

Who's over there representing the Nix at this bunfight?

I assume one of the owners like Henry or Rob as back office staff have stuff for the upcoming season to get ready for

I'm an optimistic pessimist. 
I'm positive things will go wrong.
09 Aug 23:54

Rob is apparently a big player in the A-League owners group according to something in the SMH a while back

Normo's coming home