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please dont do the 3-4-3 ricki
And we will never ban drinking and foruming.
COYN Ricki seems pretty set on 3 4 3
Durante confirming it in the Dom Post. Will we be the only club adopting it?
Durante confirming it in the Dom Post. Will we be the only club adopting it?
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Ricki seems pretty set on 3 4 3
Durante confirming it in the Dom Post. Will we be the only club adopting it?
Durante confirming it in the Dom Post. Will we be the only club adopting it?
Does anyone anywhere ever use it?
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Just wondering why so much concern about the 3-4-3?
What, you mean you don't want to see creative, attacking football?
With the Durante-North combo locked in, that's now one of our biggest assets. So why wouldn't Ricki take advantage of that in the way he structures the team?
What, you mean you don't want to see creative, attacking football?
With the Durante-North combo locked in, that's now one of our biggest assets. So why wouldn't Ricki take advantage of that in the way he structures the team?
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i dont know why everyone is going on about that pavlovic..f**k he must of improve a heap since his newcastle jets days, coz f**k he was hopeless..
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i dont know why everyone is going on about that pavlovic..f**k he must of improve a heap since his newcastle jets days, coz f**k he was hopeless..
I said the same thing about Darren Fletcher some years ago, and he improved out of sight.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
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Anyone knows when North arrives? Or is he already here?
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Just wondering why so much concern about the 3-4-3?.........
Watching the Nix "play" 3 at the back in season 1 was like watching a train wreck - replayed over and over and over......
Yes the players are different but the scars are deep.
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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Just wondering why so much concern about the 3-4-3?.........
Watching the Nix "play" 3 at the back in season 1 was like watching a train wreck - replayed over and over and over......
Yes the players are different but the scars are deep.
They're not just different .... Cleberson, O'Dor and Old aren't even in the same stratosphere as Durante, North and Sigmund.
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true, those days were hard
but yep it was those players that were the main issue not the formation as such
but yep it was those players that were the main issue not the formation as such
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Paston
Sigmund Durante North
Ifill brown lia bertos
Cornejo
Greenie Mac
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Unless Toto does something really special against the under-20's I'm struggling to see how he can make the starting side vs GCU on August 13. He hasn't done anywhere near enough to convince me that he's worth his place at this stage.
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Yeah, what the tall bald bloke said.
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point taken on toto.. in that case ifill can drop in behind the front two and muscat or hearfeild drop into midfeild.
nz manu.. no wingbacks.. left and right midfeilders will play wider that what i posted earlier..
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God in Gloves
Seamonster Andramazing Duraptain Pounamu
SuperBoomBoom Moosecat Forklift T-Loch
Ifillinho
Big Mac Lord Greenie
Crazy Crow, Bobsled all The Time/Vincenzo, Toto/Ddaanniieell, Pavlova/Bang Bang
Moosecat could take T-Loch's spot and allow Vincenzo into midfield, and the bench would be reshuffled a little.
Seamonster Andramazing Duraptain Pounamu
SuperBoomBoom Moosecat Forklift T-Loch
Ifillinho
Big Mac Lord Greenie
Crazy Crow, Bobsled all The Time/Vincenzo, Toto/Ddaanniieell, Pavlova/Bang Bang
Moosecat could take T-Loch's spot and allow Vincenzo into midfield, and the bench would be reshuffled a little.
You know we belong together...
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Hate 3 at the back big time!!!!
Why change? we have nearly all the players back from last year. Our formation worked really well last season. We have strengthened the attack. Why go buggering around with the formation?
OK, 3 at the back worked for the AW's. But most of the time it was 5 at the back to save us from having our arses served to us on a plate. We can/will dominate most other A-League sides. To me 3 at the back is negative. If we play North Dura and Siggy at the back then we will need 2 wingbacks. Obvious choices are Leo and Lochy....they are familar with this set up.
But playing Super Leo as a part time defender in the A-League is a huge waste of his attacking talents. OK people will say he can get forward....how often? you need to have the speed of Usan Bolt to be really effective.
It also means that our stable midfield becomes overcrowded. There is only room for two. Probably Muscat and Brown. So Lia will be out.....he was really effective last year.
Then that leaves the front three. Ifill, Bigmac and Greenie probably. So where is the width and pace coming from....its all too narrow. You are relying on your wing backs to bomb forward. This means the transfer from defense to wide attack will be slow.
So if you are going to play narrow we need a creative guy behind the front two(which means one of Greenie or Bigmac goes). This probably explains why Rickie is so keen to sign Toto....he's meant to become the "Fred" type playmaker.
In reality you are looking at a complete change in playing philosophy. It means defensively we will be a fortress. But on attack the whole thing hinges on the central playmaker. Why we are even contemplating this is beyind me. How many succesful sides in the world play 3 at the back? with this current side we are capable (playing 433 or 442) of tearing to pieces any other side in the A-League.
Maybe part of the new attacking philosopy will be to wack long ball forward( a la AW's) for Bigmac to flick on to Greenie or to hold up for the wingbacks to arrive. Thats static and slow. We can play better football than that...we have the players....BAN 3 at the back!!!!!!!!!!!
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i dont know why everyone is going on about that pavlovic..f**k he must of improve a heap since his newcastle jets days, coz f**k he was hopeless..
What has this got to do with the "2010/11 starting 11" thread? Pav is a youth player who if Bambang is signed will not even make the bench let alone start.
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the phoenix have never had so many options and strength in depth. You can slot players easily into a 5-3-2/3-4-3 a 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 with every position looking strong and some players left out who have a strong case to be in the starting line up. A good kind of headache for Herbert.
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i dont know why everyone is going on about that pavlovic..f**k he must of improve a heap since his newcastle jets days, coz f**k he was hopeless..
What has this got to do with the "2010/11 starting 11" thread? Pav is a youth player who if Bambang is signed will not even make the bench let alone start.
its a waste of a spot if you ask me...
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Hate 3 at the back big time!!!!
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Why change? we have nearly all the players back from last year. Our formation worked really well last season. We have strengthened the attack. Why go buggering around with the formation?
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OK, 3 at the back worked for the AW's. But most of the time it was 5 at the back to save us from having our arses served to us on a plate. We can/will dominate most other A-League sides. To me 3 at the back is negative. If we play North Dura and Siggy at the back then we will need 2 wingbacks. Obvious choices are Leo and Lochy....they are familar with this set up.
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But playing Super Leo as a part time defender in the A-League is a huge waste of his attacking talents. OK people will say he can get forward....how often? you need to have the speed of Usan Bolt to be really effective.
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It also means that our stable midfield becomes overcrowded. There is only room for two. Probably Muscat and Brown. So Lia will be out.....he was really effective last year.
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Then that leaves the front three. Ifill, Bigmac and Greenie probably. So where is the width and pace coming from....its all too narrow. You are relying on your wing backs to bomb forward. This means the transfer from defense to wide attack will be slow.
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So if you are going to play narrow we need a creative guy behind the front two(which means one of Greenie or Bigmac goes). This probably explains why Rickie is so keen to sign Toto....he's meant to become the "Fred" type playmaker.
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In reality you are looking at a complete change in playing philosophy. It means defensively we will be a fortress. But on attack the whole thing hinges on the central playmaker. Why we are even contemplating this is beyind me. How many succesful sides in the world play 3 at the back? with this current side we are capable (playing 433 or 442) of tearing to pieces any other side in the A-League.
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Maybe part of the new attacking philosopy will be to wack long ball forward( a la AW's) for Bigmac to flick on to Greenie or to hold up for the wingbacks to arrive. Thats static and slow.�We can play better football than that...we have the players....BAN 3 at the back!!!!!!!!!!!
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I completely agree. I thought it was brilliant strategy for the all whites, but it just isn't necessary with the talent we have at the Phoenix. If we play it I will be glad to be proven wrong, but I really don't like the idea of 3-4-3.
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Hate 3 at the back big time!!!!
Why change? we have nearly all the players back from last year. Our formation worked really well last season. We have strengthened the attack. Why go buggering around with the formation?
OK, 3 at the back worked for the AW's. But most of the time it was 5 at the back to save us from having our arses served to us on a plate. We can/will dominate most other A-League sides. To me 3 at the back is negative. If we play North Dura and Siggy at the back then we will need 2 wingbacks. Obvious choices are Leo and Lochy....they are familar with this set up.
But playing Super Leo as a part time defender in the A-League is a huge waste of his attacking talents. OK people will say he can get forward....how often? you need to have the speed of Usan Bolt to be really effective.
It also means that our stable midfield becomes overcrowded. There is only room for two. Probably Muscat and Brown. So Lia will be out.....he was really effective last year.
Then that leaves the front three. Ifill, Bigmac and Greenie probably. So where is the width and pace coming from....its all too narrow. You are relying on your wing backs to bomb forward. This means the transfer from defense to wide attack will be slow.......
Maybe part of the new attacking philosopy will be to wack long ball forward( a la AW's) for Bigmac to flick on to Greenie or to hold up for the wingbacks to arrive. Thats static and slow. We can play better football than that...we have the players....BAN 3 at the back!!!!!!!!!!!
I completely agree. I thought it was brilliant strategy for the all whites, but it just isn't necessary with the talent we have at the Phoenix. If we play it I will be glad to be proven wrong, but I really don't like the idea of 3-4-3.
What these guys said.
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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Dura, North, Siggy
Leo, Manny, Timmo, Lochie
Ifill, Mac, Greenie
I think it will take Toto a while to slot in, Lia fouls too much, Manny was brilliant against Boca
Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet
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So how will the back three line up? Obviously North, Dura and Siggy but who plays on the left who plays on the right? North would have more pace than Siggy, but do we see Dura in the middle of the two?
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Plus 3-4-3 doesn't necessarily mean trying to hit our strikers. we might be playing more through the centre of the park?? hopefully not just trying to hit mac or whoever in the air...certainly not aimed towards Killen, Fallon, Smeltz and Wood...Ifill, bambang, Pav, Greenie, Mac quite different, though they spent a fair bit of time hitting long balls towards Pav at the end of the Bocca juniors match...
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Plus 3-4-3 doesn't necessarily mean trying to hit our strikers. we might be playing more through the centre of the park?? hopefully not just trying to hit mac or whoever in the air...certainly not aimed towards Killen, Fallon, Smeltz and Wood...Ifill, bambang, Pav, Greenie, Mac quite different, though they spent a fair bit of time hitting long balls towards Pav at the end of the Bocca juniors match...
and he controlled them well.
anyway if we are going to play this 3-4-3 then bench Lochhead, then I have no problem.
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Hate 3 at the back big time!!!!
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well one reason is how many games we drew last year. If we are going to have a serious crack at the title we need to finish high enough to have home advantage during the playoffs, ideally top two. We lost less games than any other team last season but who really cares? I would gladly trade in our unbeaten record at ROF for more WINS during the regular season.
There's some truth in this but you are only talking about counter attacks. What about all the other attacks when we are already controlling possession.
I see what you guys are saying but I totally disagree that 3-4-3 is more defensive than 4-4-2. It is more of a high risk/high stakes strategy and I guess that appeals to my personality ;-)
Why change? we have nearly all the players back from last year. Our formation worked really well last season. We have strengthened the attack. Why go buggering around with the formation?
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well one reason is how many games we drew last year. If we are going to have a serious crack at the title we need to finish high enough to have home advantage during the playoffs, ideally top two. We lost less games than any other team last season but who really cares? I would gladly trade in our unbeaten record at ROF for more WINS during the regular season.
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Then that leaves the front three. Ifill, Bigmac and Greenie probably. So where is the width and pace coming from....its all too narrow. You are relying on your wing backs to bomb forward. This means the transfer from defense to wide attack will be slow.......
Maybe part of the new attacking philosopy will be to wack long ball forward( a la AW's) for Bigmac to flick on to Greenie or to hold up for the wingbacks to arrive. Thats static and slow.
There's some truth in this but you are only talking about counter attacks. What about all the other attacks when we are already controlling possession.
I see what you guys are saying but I totally disagree that 3-4-3 is more defensive than 4-4-2. It is more of a high risk/high stakes strategy and I guess that appeals to my personality ;-)
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So how will the back three line up? Obviously North, Dura and Siggy but who plays on the left who plays on the right? North would have more pace than Siggy, but do we see Dura in the middle of the two?
I think siggy has said he doesnt like the left much so Durante plays that side. North Could play either wide or center.
So siigy wont be left. He could even end up being center?? Not sure about that but ya never know
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The 3-4-3 _could_ work but i'm a little worried that we are changing our formation just before the start of the season. What it could do, however, is throw other teams off. 3-4-3 isn't inherently defensive, I don't think - Mexico played it at the World Cup and you would hardly call them long ball merchants. It relies a lot on having pacey wingers and wing backs that are good at getting up and down all game.
I think 3-4-3 is just a lot more flexible than 4-4-2 - without the ball you have 5 defenders and with the ball it allows the likes of Hearfield/Manny/Lochy to get forward more and support Ifill/Greenie/BigMac.
I think this is a wait-and-see type situation - I have no reason to doubt Rickivaleo2010-08-01 16:09:35
I think 3-4-3 is just a lot more flexible than 4-4-2 - without the ball you have 5 defenders and with the ball it allows the likes of Hearfield/Manny/Lochy to get forward more and support Ifill/Greenie/BigMac.
I think this is a wait-and-see type situation - I have no reason to doubt Rickivaleo2010-08-01 16:09:35
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Just wondering why so much concern about the 3-4-3?.........
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Watching the Nix "play" 3 at the back in season 1�was like watching a train wreck - replayed over and over and over......
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Yes the players are different but the scars are deep.
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They're not just different .... Cleberson, O'Dor and Old aren't even in the same stratosphere as Durante, North and Sigmund.
Haha, when you put it like that, it's pretty clear.
I think 3-4-3 is far more attacking than 4-4-2, and the big difference between the Nix and the A-League and the All Whites and the WC is that we won't get slaughtered if we try and take it up the middle in the A-league.
Paston
Siggy Durante North
Bertos Brown Lochead
Ifill
Greeny Mac
Bench:
Toto/Daniel/Hearfield
Muscat/Muscat
Bambang/Pav
Crowther
I'm unsure about our midfield, playing three at the back we kinda have to have lochead and bertos on the wings, and they make pretty damn good wings at that (just look at their WC performances). My only concern is the centre with Ifill not exactly captain defense leaving Brown without Lia to boss the midfield.
The good news is that we have some seriously quality depth in this squad, when you look at the competition for spots on the bench. Who the hell do you leave out?!
ScoobyD2010-08-01 17:44:01
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i am very concerned over the suggestion of a 343 formation, i know very little about it but the all whites adopted it and ended up only have 3 shots on goal in 270 minutes of football!
i trust in ricki as i know the all whites squad and competition were very different to the nix and the a league, however it seems as rather inapropriate considering ifill, bertos, daniel etc's need for space on the wings in the attacking third and having the likes of manny, troy and lochhead more than cappable of getting forward on attack.
i guess as someone said previously we can just wait and see however i would not be disapointed to hear a nice loud chant of 442 coming out of the fever zone should it be necessary
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Hope Mac performs better than he did with central coast and if the Nix play three at the back I hope siggy finds a bit more pace
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Just wondering why so much concern about the 3-4-3?.........
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Watching the Nix "play" 3 at the back in season 1�was like watching a train wreck - replayed over and over and over......
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Yes the players are different but the scars are deep.
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They're not just different .... Cleberson, O'Dor and Old aren't even in the same stratosphere as Durante, North and Sigmund.
Haha, when you put it like that, it's pretty clear.
I think 3-4-3 is far more attacking than 4-4-2, and the big difference between the Nix and the A-League and the All Whites and the WC is that we won't get slaughtered if we try and take it up the middle in the A-league.
Paston
Siggy Durante North
Bertos Brown Lochead
Ifill
Greeny Mac
Bench:
Toto/Daniel/Hearfield
Muscat/Muscat
Bambang/Pav
Crowther
I'm unsure about our midfield, playing three at the back we kinda have to have lochead and bertos on the wings, and they make pretty damn good wings at that (just look at their WC performances). My only concern is the centre with Ifill not exactly captain defense leaving Brown without Lia to boss the midfield.
The good news is that we have some seriously quality depth in this squad, when you look at the competition for spots on the bench. Who the hell do you leave out?!
You only have 10 players in your starting line-up.
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^ so pedantic.
I like tautologies because I like them.
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I want us to play 4-2-3-1
Pasty
Hearfield--Dura--North--Moosecat/lochy
Brown------Lia/Moosecat
Bertos-------- Greenie/Toto---------Ifill
Big Mac
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Hearfield--Dura--North--Moosecat/lochy
Brown------Lia/Moosecat
Bertos-------- Greenie/Toto---------Ifill
Big Mac
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Siggy as a centreback is ok and his lack of pace can generally be covered. I for one would hate to think what someone like Tommy Orr (and yes I know he has gone) would do to Siggy for pace. For me four across the back with Hearfield/Manny, Dura, North, Lochead. Midfield of Ifill, Brown, Lia and Bertos with Greenie and Mac up front
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I have to say that I am not a great lover of 3 at the back and have a preference for 442. I realise that the all whites had a modicum of success with that system but all said and done having 3 up front ddidnt actually mean more goals scored
" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow
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can't see Troy starting many games ahead of manny at the moment !!!
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My starting 11, from the Transfers thread...
3-2-3-2 formation:
Paston
Siggy Dura North
Brown Lia
Bertos Corne Ifill
McAllister Greenacre
3-4-1-2
Paston
Siggy Dura North
Bertos Brown Lia Ifill
Corne
McAllister Greenacre
Bench:
Lochy/Manny
Daniel
Troy/Pav
Crowther (if he's coming back?)
Going for attacking formations, not a true 3-4-3 though.
Thinking about the players we have, with Ifill preferring to play wide, along with Bertos playing wide, and Corne being more central, I think we would end up swapping between 3-2-3-2 (attacking) and 3-4-1-2 (defensive).
The key mostly in holding the midfield, with Brown and Lia covering defensively while Ifill, Bertos, and Toto get stuck in up front.
We really don't want to see Leo stuck playing right-back at any stage of any game, and need to be mindful of having those players forward for the break.
Plus, I really hate parking the bus!
And, if all that turns to custard, we can go back to 4-4-2 with some subs.Ard Righ2010-08-02 09:52:15
3-2-3-2 formation:
Paston
Siggy Dura North
Brown Lia
Bertos Corne Ifill
McAllister Greenacre
3-4-1-2
Paston
Siggy Dura North
Bertos Brown Lia Ifill
Corne
McAllister Greenacre
Bench:
Lochy/Manny
Daniel
Troy/Pav
Crowther (if he's coming back?)
Going for attacking formations, not a true 3-4-3 though.
Thinking about the players we have, with Ifill preferring to play wide, along with Bertos playing wide, and Corne being more central, I think we would end up swapping between 3-2-3-2 (attacking) and 3-4-1-2 (defensive).
The key mostly in holding the midfield, with Brown and Lia covering defensively while Ifill, Bertos, and Toto get stuck in up front.
We really don't want to see Leo stuck playing right-back at any stage of any game, and need to be mindful of having those players forward for the break.
Plus, I really hate parking the bus!
And, if all that turns to custard, we can go back to 4-4-2 with some subs.Ard Righ2010-08-02 09:52:15
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