I would try to keep him. Money don't shoot goals. In the end it his decision, but he already waisted some years with bad moves.
He's not fat!
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Seriously let Burns go if someone wants to offer that much money for him. He is only playing in Wellington to get a bigger deal and move elsewhere. Yes, I'm a fan of him but he has still only had one stand out season. There are no guarantees he would be able to back it up next year. We will probably be looking for a striker in the off season anyway.
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That coupled with the fact that China is a career dead end - no one seems to have made it there yet except end of career European superstars.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_Chine...
http://www.statista.com/statistics/256322/success-...
Quite a few non-Europeans!
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Where is all this talk of too old, he should take the money coming from. He is 26 ffs. Burns is an asset (government listen to this). Hold onto your assets, let them grow, provide you with a steady stream of income then sell them off for an inflated price because you have shown how good they can be. Keep Burns, two, three seasons, he is then 28-29, could hold an A-league grant final win and golden boot to his name (or more). China team doubles its offer. Do not sell your assets, realise that you made a huge mistake, and try and buy them back.
Be obscure clearly
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Burns could turn out like Brockie for us.... football has too many unknowns.
The fact is, the owners want to turn a profit and a big fee will help them achieve this. As much as I would like to see Burns stay I am sure Weenix will look at the overall picture.
Given how much extra money they are also pumping into our reserve team and youth options, I'd take the money to make sure initatives like this can continue to be funded and promote NZ footballers.
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Where is all this talk of too old, he should take the money coming from. He is 26 ffs. Burns is an asset (government listen to this). Hold onto your assets, let them grow, provide you with a steady stream of income then sell them off for an inflated price because you have shown how good they can be. Keep Burns, two, three seasons, he is then 28-29, could hold an A-league grant final win and golden boot to his name (or more). China team doubles its offer. Do not sell your assets, realise that you made a huge mistake, and try and buy them back.
In 18 months he goes for free though - he is a short term asset only. He is also an asset with a large opportunity cost because what ever we pay him is money we can't pay for someone else. If Burns is on low money then it might make sense to keep him at the club.
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Where is all this talk of too old, he should take the money coming from. He is 26 ffs. Burns is an asset (government listen to this). Hold onto your assets, let them grow, provide you with a steady stream of income then sell them off for an inflated price because you have shown how good they can be. Keep Burns, two, three seasons, he is then 28-29, could hold an A-league grant final win and golden boot to his name (or more). China team doubles its offer. Do not sell your assets, realise that you made a huge mistake, and try and buy them back.
In 18 months he goes for free though - he is a short term asset only. He is also an asset with a large opportunity cost because what ever we pay him is money we can't pay for someone else. If Burns is on low money then it might make sense to keep him at the club.
We can offer him an upgraded contract if he performs..... Kenny is coming off at the end of the year and stories are he is on a dime and a bit. This is not as cut and dry as people think. Do you think Dome goes 'oh he has had an offer, thats it, he is off'.
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It's all just smoke and mirrors... Chinese agents plaguing the Ozzie team prior to their game
...of course I could be wrong
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At January 20, 2015 11:07am
I was quick off the mark on Boxall so will hold my tongue on Burns until something more concrete turns up.
That lasted a while.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Where is all this talk of too old, he should take the money coming from. He is 26 ffs. Burns is an asset (government listen to this). Hold onto your assets, let them grow, provide you with a steady stream of income then sell them off for an inflated price because you have shown how good they can be. Keep Burns, two, three seasons, he is then 28-29, could hold an A-league grant final win and golden boot to his name (or more). China team doubles its offer. Do not sell your assets, realise that you made a huge mistake, and try and buy them back.
In 18 months he goes for free though - he is a short term asset only. He is also an asset with a large opportunity cost because what ever we pay him is money we can't pay for someone else. If Burns is on low money then it might make sense to keep him at the club.
We can offer him an upgraded contract if he performs..... Kenny is coming off at the end of the year and stories are he is on a dime and a bit. This is not as cut and dry as people think. Do you think Dome goes 'oh he has had an offer, thats it, he is off'.
Name a class player who has been offered $2.5m p.a. with a buy-out clause (assuming both are correct).
You're comparing kiwifruit with lychees.
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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Good considerations but the flipside is that we are then a development club rather than a club that seriously contends for title honours?
Might only appeal to a certain subset of players and possibly not for other stakeholders (public, sponsors).
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Even halfway through the competition?
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Where is all this talk of too old, he should take the money coming from. He is 26 ffs. Burns is an asset (government listen to this). Hold onto your assets, let them grow, provide you with a steady stream of income then sell them off for an inflated price because you have shown how good they can be. Keep Burns, two, three seasons, he is then 28-29, could hold an A-league grant final win and golden boot to his name (or more). China team doubles its offer. Do not sell your assets, realise that you made a huge mistake, and try and buy them back.
In 18 months he goes for free though - he is a short term asset only. He is also an asset with a large opportunity cost because what ever we pay him is money we can't pay for someone else. If Burns is on low money then it might make sense to keep him at the club.
We can offer him an upgraded contract if he performs..... Kenny is coming off at the end of the year and stories are he is on a dime and a bit. This is not as cut and dry as people think. Do you think Dome goes 'oh he has had an offer, thats it, he is off'.
Name a class player who has been offered $2.5m p.a. with a buy-out clause (assuming both are correct).
You're comparing kiwifruit with lychees.
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Even halfway through the competition?
a'la Reid and West Ham?
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At January 20, 2015 11:07am
I was quick off the mark on Boxall so will hold my tongue on Burns until something more concrete turns up.
That lasted a while.
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Even Gareth Bale stuck around until the end.
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At January 20, 2015 11:07am
I was quick off the mark on Boxall so will hold my tongue on Burns until something more concrete turns up.
That lasted a while.
No, my point exactly. You said you'd hold your tongue on Burns until something more concrete turns up. It hasn't turned up. And 25 hours later you're off...
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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At January 20, 2015 11:07am
I was quick off the mark on Boxall so will hold my tongue on Burns until something more concrete turns up.
That lasted a while.
No, my point exactly. You said you'd hold your tongue on Burns until something more concrete turns up. It hasn't turned up. And 25 hours later you're off...
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Something to note also is that only a handful of Australian players who have gone to China, of which there have been many, have lasted longer than a season at their respective club. Chinese clubs go through foreigners at a fast rate; not exactly great security, though if you can get a big payday in that one season you are there it's probably worth it.
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Put yourself in Nathan's shoes (if the rumours are correct). AU$2.5m net/year is a lot of money, which is more than he would earn here over 8-10yrs (probably even longer). This is what the club is setting up to be, getting youngsters into the academy developing them, getting experience at ASB, then HAL and hopefully a decent transfer fee that is 'too good to refuse' for the better talent. We still have ambitions to win things, it will just have to be when there is a mix of decent HAL pros mixed with undervalued (in terms of salary cap) youngsters coming through, there will be troughs when those youngsters that have grown past the HAL look to move overseas and the next youngster is not as good.
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Didn't Smeltz go to China for about a week and then realize that he didn't want to live there at all, and subsequently bailed out of his contract?
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
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Why have we all of a sudden got this process in our head that all new players are short term rentals?
All of a sudden? I've been remarking on this mentality for ages. "If they actually want to stay here, they must suck. If they're good, they must be on the first plane out." It's just negativity.
Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009
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Where is all this talk of too old, he should take the money coming from. He is 26 ffs. Burns is an asset (government listen to this). Hold onto your assets, let them grow, provide you with a steady stream of income then sell them off for an inflated price because you have shown how good they can be. Keep Burns, two, three seasons, he is then 28-29, could hold an A-league grant final win and golden boot to his name (or more). China team doubles its offer. Do not sell your assets, realise that you made a huge mistake, and try and buy them back.
You clearly have 0 clue about anything financial
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Where is all this talk of too old, he should take the money coming from. He is 26 ffs. Burns is an asset (government listen to this). Hold onto your assets, let them grow, provide you with a steady stream of income then sell them off for an inflated price because you have shown how good they can be. Keep Burns, two, three seasons, he is then 28-29, could hold an A-league grant final win and golden boot to his name (or more). China team doubles its offer. Do not sell your assets, realise that you made a huge mistake, and try and buy them back.
You clearly have 0 clue about anything financial
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Where is all this talk of too old, he should take the money coming from. He is 26 ffs. Burns is an asset (government listen to this). Hold onto your assets, let them grow, provide you with a steady stream of income then sell them off for an inflated price because you have shown how good they can be. Keep Burns, two, three seasons, he is then 28-29, could hold an A-league grant final win and golden boot to his name (or more). China team doubles its offer. Do not sell your assets, realise that you made a huge mistake, and try and buy them back.
In 18 months he goes for free though - he is a short term asset only. He is also an asset with a large opportunity cost because what ever we pay him is money we can't pay for someone else. If Burns is on low money then it might make sense to keep him at the club.
We can offer him an upgraded contract if he performs..... Kenny is coming off at the end of the year and stories are he is on a dime and a bit. This is not as cut and dry as people think. Do you think Dome goes 'oh he has had an offer, thats it, he is off'.
Even if he chooses to stay in 18 months then he will want a lot more money if his career continues on this trajectory. He could even get marquee offers from elsewhere in Australia. My point is if you pay Burns 300k and he is really good then that could still be a bad signing if you could pay someone else 250k and do the same job. I'm sure the club will think long and hard about any offers but offers should be considered at the end of the season. We definitely shouldn't be selling him now.
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Didn't Smeltz go to China for about a week and then realize that he didn't want to live there at all, and subsequently bailed out of his contract?
Shanghai is not Shandong
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Bloody hell if someone offered me that money I'd be off. Possibly a once in a lifetime move.
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Didn't Smeltz go to China for about a week and then realize that he didn't want to live there at all, and subsequently bailed out of his contract?
Shanghai is not Shandong
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It's like Auckland and Oamaru.
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It's like Auckland and Oamaru.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
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It's like Auckland and Oamaru.
One is a rural backwater with no internet and nothing to do. Oamaru is not much better.
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So, as Burn's agent pointed out - these things happen at a time in a tournament when China's due to play Aussie. Talk about timing!
Does anyone think the Chinese may just be playing games? It seems the agent isn't prepared to take it too seriously until after the tournament.
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Why have we all of a sudden got this process in our head that all new players are short term rentals?
All of a sudden? I've been remarking on this mentality for ages. "If they actually want to stay here, they must suck. If they're good, they must be on the first plane out." It's just negativity.
No, it's not. It's realism. Staying here doesn't mean you 'suck', but it certainly means that are probably aren't a player that can play at a high level. The good players don't last long; only ones that have already tried it in Europe and didn't make it (i.e. Archie Thompson)
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